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Post by Pacifico on Jun 6, 2024 17:00:24 GMT
what are you suggesting should be done about it? Politicians caught lying to the public, and especially to Parliament (both to be determined by a wholly independent Information Accountability Office), should be immediately stripped of office, and banned from holding public office for 1 full term of Parliament. MPs get so much benefit from being an MP that this would eradicate lying MPs almost overnight; they'd rather tell the truth than have to take their greedy snouts out of the Taxpayer Funded trough. All The Best Who appoints this 'independent Information Accountability Office'?. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 6, 2024 17:03:09 GMT
Politicians caught lying to the public, and especially to Parliament (both to be determined by a wholly independent Information Accountability Office), should be immediately stripped of office, and banned from holding public office for 1 full term of Parliament. MPs get so much benefit from being an MP that this would eradicate lying MPs almost overnight; they'd rather tell the truth than have to take their greedy snouts out of the Taxpayer Funded trough. All The Best Who appoints this 'independent Information Accountability Office'?. In the first instance, cross-party agreement of a majority of the HoC, from people with relevant competencies. All The Best |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2024 17:17:29 GMT
Politicians caught lying to the public, and especially to Parliament (both to be determined by a wholly independent Information Accountability Office), should be immediately stripped of office, and banned from holding public office for 1 full term of Parliament. MPs get so much benefit from being an MP that this would eradicate lying MPs almost overnight; they'd rather tell the truth than have to take their greedy snouts out of the Taxpayer Funded trough. All The Best Who appoints this 'independent Information Accountability Office'?. That would be The Ministry of Truth. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 6, 2024 17:22:18 GMT
Who appoints this 'independent Information Accountability Office'?. In the first instance, cross-party agreement of a majority of the HoC, from people with relevant competencies. All The Best So an establishment stitch up. Anyone who fails to follow the WEF agenda is silenced - better hope we dont have another pandemic. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 6, 2024 17:31:32 GMT
In the first instance, cross-party agreement of a majority of the HoC, from people with relevant competencies. All The Best So an establishment stitch up. Not necessarily. However, without some form of truth verification of our MPs an "establishment stitch up" is far, fare more likely. Such as when Johnson illegally prorogued parliament. All The Best |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 6, 2024 17:39:27 GMT
Who appoints this 'independent Information Accountability Office'?. In the first instance, cross-party agreement of a majority of the HoC, from people with relevant competencies. All The Best Define relevant competencies and who gets to pick the final committee? Anyone who has ever worked for the BBC or civil service must surely be excluded |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 6, 2024 17:40:58 GMT
So an establishment stitch up. Not necessarily. However, without some form of truth verification of our MPs an "establishment stitch up" is far, fare more likely. Such as when Johnson illegally prorogued parliament. All The Best
Very 1984 , George Orwell would be proud of you |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 6, 2024 17:44:19 GMT
Not necessarily. However, without some form of truth verification of our MPs an "establishment stitch up" is far, fare more likely. Such as when Johnson illegally prorogued parliament. All The Best
Very 1984 , George Orwell would be proud of you So you think it is perfectly acceptable for MPs to lie to Parliament and then lie to the electorate. It's a binary option here: either we don't give a fuck about truth and MP can pass of any old lie, or we have some means of checking the veracity of MPs' statements. Which is it? All The Best |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 6, 2024 18:13:03 GMT
Who appoints this 'independent Information Accountability Office'?. That would be The Ministry of Truth.  |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 6, 2024 18:39:22 GMT
truth verification
Very 1984 , George Orwell would be proud of you So you think it is perfectly acceptable for MPs to lie to Parliament and then lie to the electorate. It's a binary option here: either we don't give a fuck about truth and MP can pass of any old lie, or we have some means of checking the veracity of MPs' statements. Which is it? All The Best An MP is already held to account by the electorate and often quizzed in detail as regards his utterings. Having an official arbiter on what is true and false is a very slippery slope on which to hang one's trust. It will of course be subjective as there are many many lies on a daily basis and there would have to be an assessment of a deliberate lie, an inadvertent lie, a lie told in good faith it was the truth and then to what degree was it a lie. It would end up with politicians saying virtually nothing of any substance, which some are guilty of already and those ones are effectively useless. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 6, 2024 18:51:09 GMT
So you think it is perfectly acceptable for MPs to lie to Parliament and then lie to the electorate. It's a binary option here: either we don't give a fuck about truth and MP can pass of any old lie, or we have some means of checking the veracity of MPs' statements. Which is it? All The Best and often quizzed in detail as regards his utterings. Having an official arbiter on what is true and false is a very slippery slope on which to hang one's trust. It will of course be subjective as there are many many lies on a daily basis and there would have to be an assessment of a deliberate lie, an inadvertent lie, a lie told in good faith it was the truth and then to what degree was it a lie. It would end up with politicians saying virtually nothing of any substance, which some are guilty of already and those ones are effectively useless. So, because we get to vote to change our MP once every 5 years they should be allowed to lie to us the other 1,824 days? Truth is NOT subjective: either Sunak told the truth when he claimed Labour would put up taxes by £2000, or he lied. We now know, for a fact, he lied - and that he 100% knew he was lying when he did so. OK, you have the "inadvertent lie in good faith" issue, fair enough, that's a margin call. How often do you think that comes up? Once in a blue moon. Because so far when an MP has been caught lying it almost always becomes abundantly clear they knew for a fact they were lying when they told the lie. Furthermore, if MPs are allowed to lie to us with impunity then what purpose do Party Manifestos have? How can we trust that an MP who has said "we will do X" actually has any intention of even attempting to do so? I don't want MPs to lie to me, even if telling me the truth is uncomfortable and perhaps even unpalatable. Once lies become systemically permissible the whole concept of a Representative Democracy utterly fails. Because a Representative Democracy relies to a great extent on having an informed electorate, and that is impossible when MPs are permitted to lie. All The Best |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 6, 2024 19:10:37 GMT
Actually it often is. Ok, you have the "inadvertent lie in good faith" issue... No such thing, Nulla. A lie is a deliberate falsehood intended to deceive. An honest mistake is not a lie. But then you've always been a stranger to the truth, Nulla. |
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Post by bancroft on Jun 6, 2024 19:15:17 GMT
Farage is still not mentioned on the Reform website........... bizarre.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 6, 2024 19:22:45 GMT
An MP is already held to account by the electorate and often quizzed in detail as regards his utterings. Having an official arbiter on what is true and false is a very slippery slope on which to hang one's trust. It will of course be subjective as there are many many lies on a daily basis and there would have to be an assessment of a deliberate lie, an inadvertent lie, a lie told in good faith it was the truth and then to what degree was it a lie. It would end up with politicians saying virtually nothing of any substance, which some are guilty of already and those ones are effectively useless. So, because we get to vote to change our MP once every 5 years they should be allowed to lie to us the other 1,824 days? Truth is NOT subjective: either Sunak told the truth when he claimed Labour would put up taxes by £2000, or he lied. We now know, for a fact, he lied - and that he 100% knew he was lying when he did so. OK, you have the "inadvertent lie in good faith" issue, fair enough, that's a margin call. How often do you think that comes up? Once in a blue moon. Because so far when an MP has been caught lying it almost always becomes abundantly clear they knew for a fact they were lying when they told the lie. Furthermore, if MPs are allowed to lie to us with impunity then what purpose do Party Manifestos have? How can we trust that an MP who has said "we will do X" actually has any intention of even attempting to do so? I don't want MPs to lie to me, even if telling me the truth is uncomfortable and perhaps even unpalatable. Once lies become systemically permissible the whole concept of a Representative Democracy utterly fails. Because a Representative Democracy relies to a great extent on having an informed electorate, and that is impossible when MPs are permitted to lie. All The Best Did he lie or did he say what he believed to be the truth. An MP can be recalled under strict rules. We allow MPs leeway as regards manifestos as no one can predict what the future will hold. A manifesto is a statement of intent, as opposed to a pledge al la LibDems on tuition fees. Everyone lies, and everyone is mistaken as regards what is truth. As an example what is definitively true in Gaza and who gets to decide that? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 6, 2024 21:13:58 GMT
So an establishment stitch up. Not necessarily. However, without some form of truth verification of our MPs an "establishment stitch up" is far, fare more likely. Such as when Johnson illegally prorogued parliament. All The Best That was overturned - the system worked. |
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