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Post by sandypine on Jul 30, 2024 7:19:35 GMT
How are we ‘ appeasing ‘ Israel? Israel is in a war in a continent.Where were all the hand wringers when Muslim were slaughtering other Muslims or when the slaughter occurs in Africa ? The virtue signal brigade choose who they condemn very carefully . I think that is very true. Islam in Nigeria is a constant problem. Half a million killed in total over several decades with several million fleeing their homes to neighbouring countries and tens of thousands in the last few years with young people and innocent villagers chosen mostly at random for death. The deaths are mostly Christians and often it is transport where Muslims are separated and spared. Copts are killed in their dozens in Egypt alone every year with little interference to stop violence from the authorities. Church building and renovation is severely restricted and often forbidden and the rights of Coptic representation are rarely met in public life. There is an almost endless list of Islamic violence and discrimination against other groups all over the world which would add up to Gaza deaths several times over but the left in general do not exercise their angst in these areas. One is often left scratching one's head as to why. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 30, 2024 7:21:30 GMT
Talking of Nigel Farage. He did stand for Parliament. He won and is now an MP. The end. And still a Rightist liar. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 30, 2024 7:25:29 GMT
Talking of Nigel Farage. He did stand for Parliament. He won and is now an MP. The end. And still a Rightist liar. I am not sure that his 'lies' are any worse than most politicians who air opinions that could be wrong. I suppose a lie is that which one knows to be wrong but is still uttered in order to deceive people. Have you specific examples? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 30, 2024 7:26:53 GMT
How are we ‘ appeasing ‘ Israel? Israel is in a war in a continent.Where were all the hand wringers when Muslim were slaughtering other Muslims or when the slaughter occurs in Africa ? The virtue signal brigade choose who they condemn very carefully . I think that is very true. Islam in Nigeria is a constant problem. Half a million killed in total over several decades with several million fleeing their homes to neighbouring countries and tens of thousands in the last few years with young people and innocent villagers chosen mostly at random for death. The deaths are mostly Christians and often it is transport where Muslims are separated and spared. Copts are killed in their dozens in Egypt alone every year with little interference to stop violence from the authorities. Church building and renovation is severely restricted and often forbidden and the rights of Coptic representation are rarely met in public life. There is an almost endless list of Islamic violence and discrimination against other groups all over the world which would add up to Gaza deaths several times over but the left in general do not exercise their angst in these areas. One is often left scratching one's head as to why. It probably started as necessity - the need not to offend oil rich, weapons purchasing states. Now it's more a mix of multiculturalist Stockholm Syndrome and outright antisemitism so beloved of the modern left. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 30, 2024 7:42:05 GMT
So now you are pretending to fully understand the full picture of conflicts that took place thousands of years ago, and that you have explained that situation fully. Do you have proof that all religion / emotional beliefs thousands of years ago, were treated and accepted equally? Or that there was never any conflict over territory? You appear to assume that the Jews had no right to defend their own territory. Christianity did not have official backing until (Roman) 381 and certainly didn't have a Christian army at that stage. AFAIA Christian armies for the purpose of defense and conversion arose as a reaction to the spread of Islamic invasions that began more than 300 years later. So your last comment looks like just another attempt to make the Jews look bad despite the fact that the Jews were forbidden to carry weapons for around 1400 years (even though often being butchered) because they were 'The Dhimmi'. A position imposed on them by Muhammad. Then you are wrong. I suggest you go study history, rather than psychobabble. The Invading Christian Army under Charlemagne that carried out the unconscionable Verden Massacre did so to force people to convert, not because of some non existent Islamic threat. Funny how toy ALWAYS try to blame Islam though - the façade is slipping. All The Best You are making silly claims so I suggest you make your claims clearly because so far all that comes across is an apparent anti-Semitic approach against the Jews. I suggest you study truth instead of insinuated lies. Some 70 years before the Verden Massacre Charles Martel defeated an Islamic army at the battle of Tours. The rise of Islam and its spread across North Africa was there, so why wouldn't it have played a part in the spread of Christianity? |
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Post by see2 on Jul 30, 2024 7:48:27 GMT
And still a Rightist liar. I am not sure that his 'lies' are any worse than most politicians who air opinions that could be wrong. I suppose a lie is that which one knows to be wrong but is still uttered in order to deceive people. Have you specific examples? As history over the last 100 years shows, the Hard to Far Right of politics is an incredibly dangerous area of politics. Therefore any lies uttered from activists in that area of politics are potentially more dangerous. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 30, 2024 7:49:42 GMT
I am not sure that his 'lies' are any worse than most politicians who air opinions that could be wrong. I suppose a lie is that which one knows to be wrong but is still uttered in order to deceive people. Have you specific examples? As history over the last 100 years shows, the Hard to Far Right of politics is an incredibly dangerous area of politics. Therefore any lies uttered from activists in that area of politics are potentially more dangerous. Who were these alleged "Far rightists" then? |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 30, 2024 8:04:57 GMT
I am not sure that his 'lies' are any worse than most politicians who air opinions that could be wrong. I suppose a lie is that which one knows to be wrong but is still uttered in order to deceive people. Have you specific examples? As history over the last 100 years shows, the Hard to Far Right of politics is an incredibly dangerous area of politics. Therefore any lies uttered from activists in that area of politics are potentially more dangerous. I would not necessarily disagree that the far right is dangerous, of course what 'the far right' is is a moot point. I would have thought any lies told in order to deceive the public was a pretty bad thing to do in any political sphere unless there were particular mitigating circumstances. No one so far has clearly defined how Farage is 'far right' and now we seem unable to pinpoint specific lies. I do find it strange that you now seem to tout the belief that Farage telling a lie is far worse than most other politicians yet one of the lies that could have been told by those whose lies are not so bad is that Farage is 'far-right'. I am not clear that your stance has any moral value other than the 'I am right and everyone else is wrong' which is not really a moral value at all. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 30, 2024 8:12:38 GMT
As history over the last 100 years shows, the Hard to Far Right of politics is an incredibly dangerous area of politics. Therefore any lies uttered from activists in that area of politics are potentially more dangerous. Who were these alleged "Far rightists" then? The "Hard to Far Right". Galtieri, Pinochet, Franco, Hitler. All of whom were the leaders that wreaked murder, torture and rape on tens of thousands of people to the left of them. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 30, 2024 8:19:36 GMT
Who were these alleged "Far rightists" then? The "Hard to Far Right". Galtieri, Pinochet, Franco, Hitler. All of whom were the leaders that wreaked murder, torture and rape on tens of thousands of people to the left of them. With the exception of Pinochet, they were all far left (National Socialist for example - the clue is in the name). But even if we ignore that, and stick purely with the overtly far left regimes, they have still taken far more lives then your faux far right. So your assertion that the far right are more dangerous is false. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 30, 2024 9:20:11 GMT
Are not the Gazans and Palestinians also defending themselves? All The Best If they were, they would be doing something to neutralize the Hamas terrorist group that live amongst them, instead or which they appear to support them. I think you mean "SOME appear to support Hamas". Much like some Israelis support the Far Right Terrorist Likud and their even more extreme allies? Although I suspect it is difficult to demonstrate resistance to Hamas rule when the consequences are all too often fatal. As long as Israel continues illegally ethnically cleansing areas within the Occupied Territories and then condoning, funding, arming and supporting the extremist Illegal Settlement Program then it is the case that Palestinian aggression against those Illegal Settlers and those that enable them is self-defence. But this is a subject for a different thread. All The Bets |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 30, 2024 9:23:29 GMT
Then you are wrong. I suggest you go study history, rather than psychobabble. The Invading Christian Army under Charlemagne that carried out the unconscionable Verden Massacre did so to force people to convert, not because of some non existent Islamic threat. Funny how toy ALWAYS try to blame Islam though - the façade is slipping. All The Best You are making silly claims so I suggest you make your claims clearly because so far all that comes across is an apparent anti-Semitic approach against the Jews. I suggest you study truth instead of insinuated lies. Some 70 years before the Verden Massacre Charles Martel defeated an Islamic army at the battle of Tours. The rise of Islam and its spread across North Africa was there, so why wouldn't it have played a part in the spread of Christianity? Tours is in France. Of course the Battle of Tours was between a Christian Force (invaders who imposed their religion by the sword) and the Umayyad Caliphate (invaders attempting to impose their religion by the sword). Verden is in Germany, over 1,000km away. There was no Islamic presence at Verden - it was Germanic Pagans being put to the sword by Christians for refusing to convert. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 30, 2024 9:39:17 GMT
The "Hard to Far Right". Galtieri, Pinochet, Franco, Hitler. All of whom were the leaders that wreaked murder, torture and rape on tens of thousands of people to the left of them. With the exception of Pinochet, they were all far left ( National Socialist for example - the clue is in the name). But even if we ignore that, and stick purely with the overtly far left regimes, they have still taken far more lives then your faux far right. So your assertion that the far right are more dangerous is false. So all those African nations with "Republic" in their name are actually Republics? Sudan: in name a Republic, in fact a Military Junta. Rwanda: in name a presidential Republic, in fact a Dictatorship. Uganda: in name a Republic, in fact an Authoritarian State Need I go on? What something is called is 100% wholly irrelevant; what it DOES, HOW it FUNCTIONS determines what it actually is. Was Nazi Germany even remotely Socialist? No, it was a Totalitarian Dictatorship. Can a Dictatorship be Socialist? Yes, it can. It can also be extreme right-wing, and everything in between. Now, originally the NSDAP (Nazi Party) was more socialist leaning; but by the time the Nazis were transporting Jews, and others, to Concentration Camps it was wholly anti-Marxist, which is very strange place for an, allegedly, Socialist organisation to be at. Socialism also tends to reject folkish / racist sentiments - both of which were entirely central to the Nazi ideology. Failure to look beneath the surface, beyond the label, all too often leads to a complete misunderstanding of what something is; as is clear from the quote above. All The Best |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 30, 2024 9:43:41 GMT
Fuck me! Still blaming Thatcher. New Labour had 13 years in office to redress Thatcher's failings; they chose not to. In fact Blair chose to continue building on some of them. You claim "blaming everything on the left is biased", then engage in the same thing by blaming everything on Thatcher, of the Global Financial Crisis. You are totally blind to your own hypocrisy, aren't you. All The Best Blimey, we agree again. Thatcher's been out of power nearly thirty years and we've had three terms of Labour since. Anyone still blaming Thatcher is woefully detached from reality. Baroness Margaret Thatcher left Downing Street in November 1990, returned to the back benches and stepped down as an MP in 1992. So nearly 34 years. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 30, 2024 9:46:47 GMT
I am not sure that his 'lies' are any worse than most politicians who air opinions that could be wrong. I suppose a lie is that which one knows to be wrong but is still uttered in order to deceive people. Have you specific examples? As history over the last 100 years shows, the Hard to Far Right of politics is an incredibly dangerous area of politics. Therefore any lies uttered from activists in that area of politics are potentially more dangerous. You didn't answer the question. Sort of swerved that more like, wonder why? |
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