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Post by om15 on Jun 4, 2024 9:40:28 GMT
OR,
Farage wins Clacton and is the only Reform candidate to win a seat.
In six months time Farage defects to the Conservative Party.
In a further six months time Farage takes over as leader of the Conservative Party.
In a further six months the EU implodes and goes bust, Starmer goes to the Country due to a bankrupt UK, Fargar sweeps to power.
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Post by see2 on Jun 4, 2024 9:43:44 GMT
The problem for most on here is that the UK electorate is drawn from a general population that’s fundamentally middle of the road conservative. That’s why governments have simply deviated between Tory and Labour since WWII. Lurches to either Left or Right upset voters, which is why Foot and Corbyn and rabid Thatcherism got incumbent governments following those ideas got turfed out. The young carolling “Oh Jeremy Corbyn” at Glastonbury are unlikely to be replicated for Farage, Starmer, or Sunak. So what’s the long game…? Mostly Tory  . You say 'rabid' Thatcherism! What exactly was 'rabid' about Thatcherism? Could someone who won three elections really be that bad? And those clueless young pillocks at Glasto represented a microscopically small percentage of the electorate, which is why Corbyn and Starmer took the Labour party to their worst defeat since 1935. So you don't even know about the financial and social damage done by Thatcher. That seriously undermines your contributions to political debate. A Center-Right Tory party has proven to be useless because its underlying policies are flawed. i.e. it still tries to conserve its original Conservative 'them and us' in its wealth policies. Starmer is looking to create wealth from within the UK rather than offering financial incentive for bringing foreigners money into the UK. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 4, 2024 9:57:27 GMT
So you don't even know about the financial and social damage done by Thatcher. That seriously undermines your contributions to political debate. A Center-Right Tory party has proven to be useless because its underlying policies are flawed. i.e. it still tries to conserve its original Conservative 'them and us' in its wealth policies. Starmer is looking to create wealth from within the UK rather than offering financial incentive for bringing foreigners money into the UK. Jesus, you're delusional, you're dangerous. Prime minister Starmer will have two choices. Radically tone down his insane net zero plans, or, force us into fuel poverty and trash the economy. All of which will make Putin, Xi Jinping and the EU very happy. I have every confidence Labour will win on July 4th, not because they are any good, not because they're popular, but because voters are unhappy with Sunak's Tories. The margin of victory... who knows. But one thing is for sure, it will be an unpopular one term government. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 4, 2024 10:00:31 GMT
So you don't even know about the financial and social damage done by Thatcher. That seriously undermines your contributions to political debate. A Center-Right Tory party has proven to be useless because its underlying policies are flawed. i.e. it still tries to conserve its original Conservative 'them and us' in its wealth policies. Starmer is looking to create wealth from within the UK rather than offering financial incentive for bringing foreigners money into the UK. Jesus, you're delusional, you're dangerous. Prime minister Starmer will have two choices. Radically tone down his insane net zero plans, or, force us into fuel poverty and trash the economy. All of which will make Putin, Xi Jinping and the EU very happy. I have every confidence Labour will win on July 4th, not because they are any good, not because they're popular, but because voters are unhappy with Sunak's Tories. The margin of victory... who knows. But one thing is for sure, it will be an unpopular one term government. He is a lefty fucking loony Red. I can't even be bothered with him. Like TSM states happiness is a warm block button. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 4, 2024 10:01:19 GMT
OR, Farage wins Clacton and is the only Reform candidate to win a seat. In six months time Farage defects to the Conservative Party. In a further six months time Farage takes over as leader of the Conservative Party. In a further six months the EU implodes and goes bust, Starmer goes to the Country due to a bankrupt UK, Fargar sweeps to power. Yes indeed, that's not a bad punt. I have considered the possibility of Farage ending up as a Tory MP, I think a centre right Conservative party is his natural home. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 4, 2024 10:11:34 GMT
OR, Farage wins Clacton and is the only Reform candidate to win a seat. In six months time Farage defects to the Conservative Party. In a further six months time Farage takes over as leader of the Conservative Party. In a further six months the EU implodes and goes bust, Starmer goes to the Country due to a bankrupt UK, Fargar sweeps to power. Yes indeed, that's not a bad punt. I have considered the possibility of Farage ending up as a Tory MP, I think a centre right Conservative party is his natural home. I see he announced today he won't be helping Trump if he becomes an MP. I thought for a while he was going to the USA until he decided to stand up to be counted here. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 4, 2024 10:15:09 GMT
Yes indeed, that's not a bad punt. I have considered the possibility of Farage ending up as a Tory MP, I think a centre right Conservative party is his natural home. I see he announced today he won't be helping Trump if he becomes an MP. I thought for a while he was going to the USA until he decided to stand up to be counted here. Yes I heard that, and the chances are he will be an MP. He doesn't officially become a candidate until 12 noon today, but he is already ten points ahead in the polls in Clacton. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 4, 2024 10:15:30 GMT
So you don't even know about the financial and social damage done by Thatcher. That seriously undermines your contributions to political debate. A Center-Right Tory party has proven to be useless because its underlying policies are flawed. i.e. it still tries to conserve its original Conservative 'them and us' in its wealth policies. Starmer is looking to create wealth from within the UK rather than offering financial incentive for bringing foreigners money into the UK. Jesus, you're delusional, you're dangerous. Prime minister Starmer will have two choices. Radically tone down his insane net zero plans, or, force us into fuel poverty and trash the economy. All of which will make Putin, Xi Jinping and the EU very happy. I have every confidence Labour will win on July 4th, not because they are any good, not because they're popular, but because voters are unhappy with Sunak's Tories. The margin of victory... who knows. But one thing is for sure, it will be an unpopular one term government. I'm not the person who repeatedly votes for the party that has dominated Parliament and continually failed the people for 70% of the time since 1951. Net Zero is not and never will be a threat to the economy, that it will, would or could be is a piece of Tory Project Fear propaganda. No government is going to continue Net Zero plans if it looks like running the country into problems, no way, and no chance. Net Zero is a target, the closer the country is to meeting that target the better for the country, but all necessary steps to ensure the economy isn't damaged by it will be taken as and when they are needed. I know the high level of commitment you have against Labour, IMO if this Centre-Left Labour party wins then given a fair wind there is every chance they will be in power for a second term. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 4, 2024 10:17:29 GMT
Jesus, you're delusional, you're dangerous. Prime minister Starmer will have two choices. Radically tone down his insane net zero plans, or, force us into fuel poverty and trash the economy. All of which will make Putin, Xi Jinping and the EU very happy. I have every confidence Labour will win on July 4th, not because they are any good, not because they're popular, but because voters are unhappy with Sunak's Tories. The margin of victory... who knows. But one thing is for sure, it will be an unpopular one term government. He is a lefty fucking loony Red. I can't even be bothered with him. Like TSM states happiness is a warm block button. Ha ha ha, another idiot post ^^^ from the forum idiot. Nice to know I hit a raw nerve, its what you deserve. |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 4, 2024 10:22:23 GMT
Jesus, you're delusional, you're dangerous. Prime minister Starmer will have two choices. Radically tone down his insane net zero plans, or, force us into fuel poverty and trash the economy. All of which will make Putin, Xi Jinping and the EU very happy. I have every confidence Labour will win on July 4th, not because they are any good, not because they're popular, but because voters are unhappy with Sunak's Tories. The margin of victory... who knows. But one thing is for sure, it will be an unpopular one term government. I'm not the person who repeatedly votes for the party that has dominated Parliament and continually failed the people for 70% of the time since 1951. Net Zero is not and never will be a threat to the economy, that it will, would or could be is a piece of Tory Project Fear propaganda. No government is going to continue Net Zero plans if it looks like running the country into problems, no way, and no chance. Net Zero is a target, the closer the country is to meeting that target the better for the country, but all necessary steps to ensure the economy isn't damaged by it will be taken as and when they are needed. I know the high level of commitment you have against Labour, IMO if this Centre-Left Labour party wins then given a fair wind there is every chance they will be in power for a second term. Net zero binds the manufacturers and the general citizens to restrictions on how they operate in a much more stringent fashion than would ordinarily occur. Planning for net zero requires more regulation on all and more restrictions on all. Believing that will have no effect on the economy and the well being of the nation is ostrich like in its ability to ignore reality. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 4, 2024 10:47:35 GMT
I'm not the person who repeatedly votes for the party that has dominated Parliament and continually failed the people for 70% of the time since 1951. Net Zero is not and never will be a threat to the economy, that it will, would or could be is a piece of Tory Project Fear propaganda. No government is going to continue Net Zero plans if it looks like running the country into problems, no way, and no chance. Net Zero is a target, the closer the country is to meeting that target the better for the country, but all necessary steps to ensure the economy isn't damaged by it will be taken as and when they are needed. I know the high level of commitment you have against Labour, IMO if this Centre-Left Labour party wins then given a fair wind there is every chance they will be in power for a second term. I haven't 'repeatedly' voted Tory, I used to be a fully paid up card carrying member of the Labour party but unlike you, I grew up. You claim net zero will be good for the country! That is absolute and utter left wing bloody rubbish. Net zero in the UK indeed in the west is great for Putin & Xi Jinping but there will be a sting in the tail for virtue signalling left wing politicians. Starmer has already backtracked on his ludicrous £28 billion a year green pledge because it's not affordable, and he will backtrack on his net zero plans, or force us all into fuel poverty, trash the economy and become the leader of the most unpopular Labour government since 1900. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 4, 2024 10:55:36 GMT
I very much doubt it. We'll see. OK, how about this for a prediction: 1) The Tory vote collapses, Reform do better than anyone expected and effectively become the opposition. 2) Over the next five years largely due to prime minister Starmers very unpopular net zero, immigration and pro EU policies, Reform under Farage's leadership becomes hugely popular. 3) Starmer resigns from a very unpopular Labour government and is replaced by left wing Raynor, the Labour governments troubles go from bad to worse. 4) The 2029 general election becomes a two way race between Reform UK and a reinvented centre right Conservative party. Labour are destined for a decade in the political wilderness. See? I've got is sussed. I'm a genius.  LOL! But more likely: Farage wins Clacton and is the only Reform candidate to win a seat. Starmer is ousted by Rayner & Co, Labour support collapses in a morass of Net-Zero knobbery, mass immigration, public sector strikes and lefty lunacy. 2029 returns a hung parliament on a record low turnout. 2034 sees the first GE run under PR. I will no longer give a shit. 🙂 |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 4, 2024 11:12:13 GMT
LOL! But more likely: Farage wins Clacton and is the only Reform candidate to win a seat. Starmer is ousted by Rayner & Co, Labour support collapses in a morass of Net-Zero knobbery, mass immigration, public sector strikes and lefty lunacy. 2029 returns a hung parliament on a record low turnout. 2034 sees the first GE run under PR. I will no longer give a shit. 🙂 LOL, who knows. As Commander Shaw (Who had bushier eyebrows than Denis Healey) used to say on Stingray... ...anything could happen in the next half hour.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 4, 2024 12:34:18 GMT
OK, how about this for a prediction: 1) The Tory vote collapses, Reform do better than anyone expected and effectively become the opposition. When you say Reform do better than anyone expects, do you mean in terms of votes or seats? |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 4, 2024 13:25:16 GMT
Who’s mostly Tory? Certainly not the UK population at present... Actually, I'd say it's certainly not the Tory Party at present. The UK electorate has shown its conservatism and preference for middle of the road politics ever since WWII... Indeed, and the current Tory Party have strayed too far in the woke, centre left direction. Hence why they're set to lose a sizeable chunk of their vote to Reform. The PCP with few exceptions are centre left , they must move right to have any chance to survive |
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. You say 'rabid' Thatcherism! What exactly was 'rabid' about Thatcherism? Could someone who won three elections really be that bad? And those clueless young pillocks at Glasto represented a microscopically small percentage of the electorate, which is why Corbyn and Starmer took the Labour party to their worst defeat since 1935.
