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Post by witchfinder on May 29, 2024 14:41:12 GMT
Yesterday on SKY News Nigel Farage stated that the NHS waiting lists, housing shortages and the state of our public services were mainly, or mostly to do with immigration ... he clearly makes it up as he goes along.
In the part of Yorkshire where I live, the population is something like 98 to 99% white, and the only place where you will see black or Asian people in any significent numbers is in the District General Hospital, where a sizeable proportion of staff are from ethnic minorities.
If these falsehoods which populists like Farage put out were even remotely true, then the larger urban conurbations such as Liecester, London and Bradford would have longer NHS waiting lists, whilst remoter and more rural areas with very few immigrants or ethnic minorities would have shorter waiting lists, but that is not the case.
The highest percentage of Eastern European settlers in the UK are to be found in Boston, Peterborough and The Fens, yet NHS waiting lists there are no different there to anywhere else.
One of the few good points about our First Past The Post voting system is that though Reform may get over 10% or more of the popular vote, they will probably end up with no seats.
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Post by patman post on May 29, 2024 14:45:26 GMT
Ok you don't think that, for example, the BBC should have a political commentary.
So do you believe that they should give the airtime to the candidates instead?
I never said that the BBC shouldn't have political commentary. I don't think someone who has pledged to help the campaign of a particular political party but isn't standing in the election should get airtime at the expense of candidates who are standing. I disagree.
Anyone who's judged to have something interesting and informative to say should not be excluded from voicing their opinions. Farage is as well known as anyone in current politics, and he is campaigning on behalf of a legit group... |
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Post by happyhornet on May 29, 2024 14:47:57 GMT
I never said that the BBC shouldn't have political commentary. I don't think someone who has pledged to help the campaign of a particular political party but isn't standing in the election should get airtime at the expense of candidates who are standing. I see. And when is that happening? All of the times Farrage has been on the BBC instead of Green Party, SNP or independent candidates. |
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Post by happyhornet on May 29, 2024 14:49:30 GMT
I never said that the BBC shouldn't have political commentary. I don't think someone who has pledged to help the campaign of a particular political party but isn't standing in the election should get airtime at the expense of candidates who are standing. I disagree.
Anyone who's judged to have something interesting and informative to say should not be excluded from voicing their opinions. Farage is as well known as anyone in current politics, and he is campaigning on behalf of a legit group... But he isn't standing in the election so shouldn't get airtime instead of Green, SNP or independent candidates IMO. |
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Post by patman post on May 29, 2024 15:27:08 GMT
I disagree.
Anyone who's judged to have something interesting and informative to say should not be excluded from voicing their opinions. Farage is as well known as anyone in current politics, and he is campaigning on behalf of a legit group... But he isn't standing in the election so shouldn't get airtime instead of Green, SNP or independent candidates IMO. I’m sure that if Green, SNP or independent candidates make themselves as interesting as Farage — who, by the way is President of an organisation that’s putting up candidates in this election — they’ll probably get airtime and column inches… |
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Post by happyhornet on May 29, 2024 15:40:32 GMT
But he isn't standing in the election so shouldn't get airtime instead of Green, SNP or independent candidates IMO. I’m sure that if Green, SNP or independent candidates make themselves as interesting as Farage — who, by the way is President of an organisation that’s putting up candidates in this election — they’ll probably get airtime and column inches… Should it be about who's the most "interesting" though? Shouldn't the state broadcaster be giving airtime to all parties rather than just the "interesting" ones? Especially parties like the SNP who have dozens of MPs compared to Reform's 1 who was elected as a Conservative? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 29, 2024 16:00:23 GMT
I see. And when is that happening? All of the times Farrage has been on the BBC instead of Green Party, SNP or independent candidates. Hmmm... Is that at the expense of the others or have they had their say already?
I'm also not sure that Nigel is the only commentator in the category you're trying to define: There are plenty of other commentators supporting the parties various. For example, former MPs commenting on their former parties or former opposition.
Would you disbar them all? And how do you know that they've been on the BBC instead of actual candidates?
After all, the candidates can't be on TV 24/7.
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Post by patman post on May 29, 2024 16:05:51 GMT
I’m sure that if Green, SNP or independent candidates make themselves as interesting as Farage — who, by the way is President of an organisation that’s putting up candidates in this election — they’ll probably get airtime and column inches… Should it be about who's the most "interesting" though? Shouldn't the state broadcaster be giving airtime to all parties rather than just the "interesting" ones? Especially parties like the SNP who have dozens of MPs compared to Reform's 1 who was elected as a Conservative? The “state broadcaster” has hundreds of hours of broadcasting each week, a good proportion of which is given over to politics. It’s surely up to the parties and candidates to present their opinions, programmes, and views in an interesting way — perhaps more so if they’ve jumped ship mid-term… |
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Post by happyhornet on May 29, 2024 16:11:52 GMT
Should it be about who's the most "interesting" though? Shouldn't the state broadcaster be giving airtime to all parties rather than just the "interesting" ones? Especially parties like the SNP who have dozens of MPs compared to Reform's 1 who was elected as a Conservative? The “state broadcaster” has hundreds of hours of broadcasting each week, a good proportion of which is given over to politics. It’s surely up to the parties and candidates to present their opinions, programmes, and views in an interesting way — perhaps more so if they’ve jumped ship mid-term… So the electorate should only hear from political parties who have been deemed "interesting"? Who decides who is and isn't interesting? |
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Post by happyhornet on May 29, 2024 16:15:12 GMT
All of the times Farrage has been on the BBC instead of Green Party, SNP or independent candidates. Hmmm... Is that at the expense of the others or have they had their say already?
I'm also not sure that Nigel is the only commentator in the category you're trying to define: There are plenty of other commentators supporting the parties various. For example, former MPs commenting on their former parties or former opposition.
Would you disbar them all? And how do you know that they've been on the BBC instead of actual candidates?
After all, the candidates can't be on TV 24/7.
As I understand Farrage was on the BBC for several days in a row after the election was called, the SNP, Greens, independents not once. I wouldn't class anyone who had declared an intention to help the political campaign of a particular political party as a commentator. |
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Post by om15 on May 29, 2024 16:23:11 GMT
Try Blackburn, Rochdale, Luton or Birmingham, if you lived in any of these locations you would not be so sanguine about the effects of immigration. Of course increasing the population by three quarters of a million people per annum puts a strain on hospitals, schools, housing and public libraries, any five year old child can work that out.
Farage is correct about most things, whatever you may feel about him.
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Post by sandypine on May 29, 2024 16:52:24 GMT
Yesterday on SKY News Nigel Farage stated that the NHS waiting lists, housing shortages and the state of our public services were mainly, or mostly to do with immigration ... he clearly makes it up as he goes along. In the part of Yorkshire where I live, the population is something like 98 to 99% white, and the only place where you will see black or Asian people in any significent numbers is in the District General Hospital, where a sizeable proportion of staff are from ethnic minorities. If these falsehoods which populists like Farage put out were even remotely true, then the larger urban conurbations such as Liecester, London and Bradford would have longer NHS waiting lists, whilst remoter and more rural areas with very few immigrants or ethnic minorities would have shorter waiting lists, but that is not the case. The highest percentage of Eastern European settlers in the UK are to be found in Boston, Peterborough and The Fens, yet NHS waiting lists there are no different there to anywhere else. One of the few good points about our First Past The Post voting system is that though Reform may get over 10% or more of the popular vote, they will probably end up with no seats. Do you have a problem with housing and doctor's appointments in your area. I live in an area of Scotland with very little immigration and no problems with housing or doctor's appointments (usually same day) or dentists. 25 miles up the road it is a different story. It is not a falsehood to say immigration places a strain on all services. It is a logical assumption grounded in the reality of what is happening on average throughout the country. |
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Post by jonksy on May 29, 2024 17:16:58 GMT
Yesterday on SKY News Nigel Farage stated that the NHS waiting lists, housing shortages and the state of our public services were mainly, or mostly to do with immigration ... he clearly makes it up as he goes along.In the part of Yorkshire where I live, the population is something like 98 to 99% white, and the only place where you will see black or Asian people in any significent numbers is in the District General Hospital, where a sizeable proportion of staff are from ethnic minorities. If these falsehoods which populists like Farage put out were even remotely true, then the larger urban conurbations such as Liecester, London and Bradford would have longer NHS waiting lists, whilst remoter and more rural areas with very few immigrants or ethnic minorities would have shorter waiting lists, but that is not the case. The highest percentage of Eastern European settlers in the UK are to be found in Boston, Peterborough and The Fens, yet NHS waiting lists there are no different there to anywhere else. One of the few good points about our First Past The Post voting system is that though Reform may get over 10% or more of the popular vote, they will probably end up with no seats. And what he stated was correct fiddles....FFS do you have a brain? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 29, 2024 17:17:09 GMT
As I understand Farrage was on the BBC for several days in a row after the election was called... So were many other commentators, including those with and without an agenda. ...the SNP, Greens, independents not once... Nonsense. ...I wouldn't class anyone who had declared an intention to help the political campaign of a particular political party as a commentator... But many would. So no, I'm not finding your case made out. Farage is no different to say, Greta Thunberg: They're both taking a position and offering opinion based on their own standpoint and agenda. Anyone who understands politics and the media knows that every commentator is. Farage is no different and far from unique, you just don't like his particular position. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 29, 2024 17:20:07 GMT
Yesterday on SKY News Nigel Farage stated that the NHS waiting lists, housing shortages and the state of our public services were mainly, or mostly to do with immigration ... he clearly makes it up as he goes along. This might help you... |
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