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Post by witchfinder on May 31, 2024 15:22:34 GMT
Thats not what I said, and for the record I do not believe that the state pension should be means tested What should be means tested is all the other universal perks, such as the Winter Fuel Allowance, free bus travel and free prescriptions etc. No one can reasonably justify why a pensioner who perhaps has private pension(s), as well as the state pension, who has savings, who perhaps owns their own home, or who is well off or comfortable .. should be given from the taxpayer, a Winter fuel allowance. Especially bearing in mind that the least well off sections of society are struggling Thats what we call a climbdown after a dose of common sense. Well done impressed. There is no "climb down" unless of course you can point out where I stated that the state pension should be means tested. You must be imagining things |
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Post by sheepy on May 31, 2024 15:24:50 GMT
Thats what we call a climbdown after a dose of common sense. Well done impressed. There is no "climb down" unless of course you can point out where I stated that the state pension should be means tested. You must be imagining things LOL ain't the internet a fun place, never a day goes by without a little comedy. I do imagine things usually the crap that politicians come out with to create a believer. |
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Post by Bentley on May 31, 2024 15:26:50 GMT
I agree with witchfinder - the Labour Party should go into the next election promising to means test pensions. It's only fair. Thats not what I said, and for the record I do not believe that the state pension should be means tested What should be means tested is all the other universal perks, such as the Winter Fuel Allowance, free bus travel and free prescriptions etc. No one can reasonably justify why a pensioner who perhaps has private pension(s), as well as the state pension, who has savings, who perhaps owns their own home, or who is well off or comfortable .. should be given from the taxpayer, a Winter fuel allowance. Especially bearing in mind that the least well off sections of society are struggling Yes they can . Because that pensioner has paid tax on the money they earned and was successful enough to buy a house and pension . This is the problem with lefties and the politics of envy . They know that they can’t take much from the rich man( regarding pensions ) and there isn’t enough rich people tomake a difference regards snatching a bit of pension . So they target the middle and successful working class . The bloke with a house and a few grand in his pension . Most pension benefits are means tested so they snatch what they can ( at first ) prescriptions , bus passes , fuel grants . They will do that until there is no incentive to work hard and save . Then everyone will be poor …then they will be happy. |
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Post by sheepy on May 31, 2024 15:36:14 GMT
Psst do you want to know why the chances of those who have large pensions being means tested will never happen, because the majority of them spent their lives working for the man in one capacity or another, who used it as a carrot and a stick.
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Post by witchfinder on May 31, 2024 15:36:32 GMT
The benefits system is part of the modern Welfare State, something which was introduced to the British people by a Labour government.
The Welfare State was always designed to be a "Safety Net" to guard against homelesness, poverty, hunger and desperation in circumstances of unemployment, retirement, ill health or missfortune.
The bottom line in my argument is .. Do you think it is right that the tax payer / the government, should help to pay the electricity and gas bills of well-off or wealthy people. ?
Is it a good way to spend tax payers money by giving ( free of charge ) a bus pass to a wealthy 70 year old person who owns a car. ?
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Post by sheepy on May 31, 2024 15:42:59 GMT
So how do you think by means testing them, they will get the next generation doing as they are told? I don't think so somehow, whichever branch of the Westminster party is in charge at any given time. They will find others means to claim it through stealth tax or via death duties or just wait until they are infirm and take it, they just think they have escaped the state, they haven't, it will be theirs eventually, it always is.
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Post by Pacifico on May 31, 2024 16:47:27 GMT
I agree with witchfinder - the Labour Party should go into the next election promising to means test pensions. It's only fair. Thats not what I said, and for the record I do not believe that the state pension should be means tested What should be means tested is all the other universal perks, such as the Winter Fuel Allowance, free bus travel and free prescriptions etc. No one can reasonably justify why a pensioner who perhaps has private pension(s), as well as the state pension, who has savings, who perhaps owns their own home, or who is well off or comfortable .. should be given from the taxpayer, a Winter fuel allowance. Especially bearing in mind that the least well off sections of society are struggling So you only want to means test part of the Pension system - which is not very coherent as a policy. Pensioners who own their own home are no more likely to have more disposable income than pensioners who rent - so why do you want to penalise them?. Same for a private pension - you can have a reduced state pension plus a small private pension that together just adds up to the same income as a full state pension - yet you want those people punished for some reason. Does not compute - but it would make a grand Labour Party policy.. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 31, 2024 16:48:41 GMT
The benefits system is part of the modern Welfare State, something which was introduced to the British people by a Labour government. The Welfare State was always designed to be a "Safety Net" to guard against homelesness, poverty, hunger and desperation in circumstances of unemployment, retirement, ill health or missfortune. LOL - the Welfare State as a safety net ceased to exist decades ago - now it is a lifestyle choice. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2024 17:22:25 GMT
The Labour lot are economic retards. It's no wonder millions of people are trying to shield their money.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 31, 2024 17:33:34 GMT
The bottom line in my argument is .. Do you think it is right that the tax payer / the government, should help to pay the electricity and gas bills of well-off or wealthy people. ? Yes, because they've contributed more. Is it a good way to spend tax payers money by giving ( free of charge ) a bus pass to a wealthy 70 year old person who owns a car. ? Yes, because if they have a car they probably aren't using their bus pass. So it doesn't cost anything. Plus if you want to encourage them out of their car "Because environment" then you need to offer an incentive. Honestly Zany, don't you know nuffin'? |
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Post by Pacifico on May 31, 2024 17:35:21 GMT
The Labour lot are economic retards. It's no wonder millions of people are trying to shield their money. Dont get me started on their latest energy plans...  |
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Post by witchfinder on May 31, 2024 18:25:51 GMT
The bottom line in my argument is .. Do you think it is right that the tax payer / the government, should help to pay the electricity and gas bills of well-off or wealthy people. ? Yes, because they've contributed more. Is it a good way to spend tax payers money by giving ( free of charge ) a bus pass to a wealthy 70 year old person who owns a car. ? Yes, because if they have a car they probably aren't using their bus pass. So it doesn't cost anything. Plus if you want to encourage them out of their car "Because environment" then you need to offer an incentive. Honestly Zany, don't you know nuffin'? Ok, so taking your argument a step further in the same direction Do you feel that the more a person pays in taxation, for example someone who pays the 50% tax rate, a person earning over £100K per year ought to have a bigger state pension, or perhaps get free council tax, get a much bigger Winter Fuel Allowance, simply because they have "contributed more". Secondly, and as a point of order ... A bus pass costs the tax payer whether it is used or not |
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Post by Bentley on May 31, 2024 18:30:05 GMT
Yes, because they've contributed more. Yes, because if they have a car they probably aren't using their bus pass. So it doesn't cost anything. Plus if you want to encourage them out of their car "Because environment" then you need to offer an incentive. Honestly Zany, don't you know nuffin'? Ok, so taking your argument a step further in the same direction Do you feel that the more a person pays in taxation, for example someone who pays the 50% tax rate, a person earning over £100K per year ought to have a bigger state pension, or perhaps get free council tax, get a much bigger Winter Fuel Allowance, simply because they have "contributed more". Secondly, and as a point of order ... A bus pass costs the tax payer whether it is used or not Nope. But they shouldn’t have it taken away because they paid more into the system . Also, you said “ Thats not what I said, and for the record I do not believe that the state pension should be means tested“ So maybe you should quit the ‘ bigger state pension ‘ strawman . You’ve already conceded that . |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2024 18:37:06 GMT
The Labour lot are economic retards. It's no wonder millions of people are trying to shield their money. Dont get me started on their latest energy plans... I don't think I even want to know. The best thing to do is take your money and put it somewhere safe. Maybe even live somewhere else for a few years. This should lead to full scale riots if enough contributors do this. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 31, 2024 19:00:59 GMT
Ok, so taking your argument a step further in the same direction Do you feel that the more a person pays in taxation, for example someone who pays the 50% tax rate, a person earning over £100K per year ought to have a bigger state pension, or perhaps get free council tax, get a much bigger Winter Fuel Allowance, simply because they have "contributed more". Abso-fuckin'-lutely. Secondly, and as a point of order ... A bus pass costs the tax payer whether it is used or not Don't be daft, Zany. 🙄 |
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