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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 26, 2024 18:45:28 GMT
There are different levels of criticism in China. Call them red, amber and green. Red would be someone like Jimmy Lai, now eating Chinese porridge. Amber would be Jack Ma, who is a prolific talker and talks about anything, including giving the government advice on how to run the banking system. He's still around, but got pruned back somewhat and his Ant flotation was called off by them upstairs. Green is like that Australian. He's a nobody and they couldn't give a shit about him. Getting a job in China is all about how smart you are. If you are smart, say with a PhD in computing, then you'll pick up a job at the drop of a hat and be treated very well. Companies don't give a shit about your personal beliefs. They want to see performance. It's all bottom line thinking. The companies are polite as well. Everyone is polite over there except a few lowlife gangster types up to no good. China does not tolerate criticism of the system . You live in a dream world . Not at all. I gave you real examples and you are free to check in wiki. Actually I have just been reading about Jimmy Lai. I have found some very interesting stuff out regarding the world of politics, banking, and intelligence agencies. It's to do with Matrix Chambers (remember Blair's wife).
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Post by ProVeritas on May 26, 2024 18:49:48 GMT
China does not tolerate criticism of the system . You live in a dream world . Not at all. I gave you real examples and you are free to check in wiki. Actually I have just been reading about Jimmy Lai. I have found some very interesting stuff out regarding the world of politics, banking, and intelligence agencies. It's to do with Matrix Chambers (remember Blair's wife). Will Neo turn up and say "I know Kung-Fu" and then start fighting Morpheus? I mean you've already tried to pass a Terminator clip off as "science fact" so why not some Matrix stuff. Should be good for a laugh at least. All The Best
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Post by Bentley on May 26, 2024 18:55:50 GMT
China does not tolerate criticism of the system . You live in a dream world . Not at all. I gave you real examples and you are free to check in wiki. Actually I have just been reading about Jimmy Lai. I have found some very interesting stuff out regarding the world of politics, banking, and intelligence agencies. It's to do with Matrix Chambers (remember Blair's wife). You live in a dream world of denial. Ten years into President Xi Jinping’s rule, repression deepens across the country. The Chinese government continues its abusive policies against Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims in Xinjiang, which amount to crimes against humanity. In both Tibet and Xinjiang, those who contact family and friends abroad, or who advocate for their culture, language, and religion, risk being treated as “separatists” and have been given harsh prison sentences. Across China, the government is further tightening social controls. There is no independent civil society; even small pockets of freedom are eliminated. In Hong Kong, the Chinese government has assumed full control over the city since imposing the National Security Law in 2020. www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/china#:~:text=Across%20China%2C%20the%20government%20is,National%20Security%20Law%20in%202020. According to the Amnesty International report from 2016/2017 the government continued to draft and enact a series of new national security laws that presented serious threats to the protection of human rights. The nationwide crackdown on human rights lawyers and activists continued throughout the year. Activists and human rights defenders continued to be systematically subjected to monitoring, harassment, intimidation, arrest, and detention.[18] The report continues that police detained increasing numbers of human rights defenders outside of formal detention facilities, sometimes without access to a lawyer for long periods, exposing the detainees to the risk of torture and other ill-treatment. Booksellers, publishers, activists, and a journalist who went missing in neighboring countries in 2015 and 2016 turned up at detention in China, causing concerns about China's law enforcement agencies acting outside their jurisdiction.[18] In a human rights report that assesses social, economic, and political freedoms, China has received the lowest ranking globally for safety from state actions and the right to assemble.[19] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_ChinaThere's loads more on wiki …you obvious didn’t see it through those rose tinted blinkers .
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 26, 2024 18:56:37 GMT
Not at all. I gave you real examples and you are free to check in wiki. Actually I have just been reading about Jimmy Lai. I have found some very interesting stuff out regarding the world of politics, banking, and intelligence agencies. It's to do with Matrix Chambers (remember Blair's wife). Will Neo turn up and say "I know Kung-Fu" and then start fighting Morpheus? I mean you've already tried to pass a Terminator clip off as "science fact" so why not some Matrix stuff. Should be good for a laugh at least. All The Best Have you got anything relevant to say?
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Post by ProVeritas on May 26, 2024 19:02:02 GMT
Will Neo turn up and say "I know Kung-Fu" and then start fighting Morpheus? I mean you've already tried to pass a Terminator clip off as "science fact" so why not some Matrix stuff. Should be good for a laugh at least. All The Best Have you got anything relevant to say? More relevant than you it seems. All The Best
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 26, 2024 19:09:30 GMT
Not at all. I gave you real examples and you are free to check in wiki. Actually I have just been reading about Jimmy Lai. I have found some very interesting stuff out regarding the world of politics, banking, and intelligence agencies. It's to do with Matrix Chambers (remember Blair's wife). You live in a dream world of denial. Ten years into President Xi Jinping’s rule, repression deepens across the country. The Chinese government continues its abusive policies against Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims in Xinjiang, which amount to crimes against humanity. In both Tibet and Xinjiang, those who contact family and friends abroad, or who advocate for their culture, language, and religion, risk being treated as “separatists” and have been given harsh prison sentences. Across China, the government is further tightening social controls. There is no independent civil society; even small pockets of freedom are eliminated. In Hong Kong, the Chinese government has assumed full control over the city since imposing the National Security Law in 2020. www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/china#:~:text=Across%20China%2C%20the%20government%20is,National%20Security%20Law%20in%202020. According to the Amnesty International report from 2016/2017 the government continued to draft and enact a series of new national security laws that presented serious threats to the protection of human rights. The nationwide crackdown on human rights lawyers and activists continued throughout the year. Activists and human rights defenders continued to be systematically subjected to monitoring, harassment, intimidation, arrest, and detention.[18] The report continues that police detained increasing numbers of human rights defenders outside of formal detention facilities, sometimes without access to a lawyer for long periods, exposing the detainees to the risk of torture and other ill-treatment. Booksellers, publishers, activists, and a journalist who went missing in neighboring countries in 2015 and 2016 turned up at detention in China, causing concerns about China's law enforcement agencies acting outside their jurisdiction.[18] In a human rights report that assesses social, economic, and political freedoms, China has received the lowest ranking globally for safety from state actions and the right to assemble.[19] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_ChinaThere's loads more on wiki …you obvious didn’t see it through those rose tinted blinkers . Ah OK, I have actually come across both of those organisations and their representations on China before, so nothing really new. The devil lies in the detail. Some of the ECHR decisions that you all mock on here including myself are also categorised as human rights. There are checkpoints around the Xinjiang region and it is true security and monitoring is tight. They are looking out for anyone who might be carrying a long knife and feel like using it on innocent people so it might create an international press story or whatever other shit the CIA guys are up to. The fact you don't read about major tragedies in that region is precisely because the central government are very sensitive about the image of that area. They don't want any chance of the slightest thing to go wrong. In practice it just means you get your ID card scanned by a friendly border official and you can be on your way. I've seen this sort of thing and it is no big deal. It is better to have a bit of security than to let some shit happen, e.g. like we did on the 7/7 in Tavistock Square, London. They know more than I do about the real threats. I'm not the PLA.
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Post by Bentley on May 26, 2024 19:13:03 GMT
You live in a dream world of denial. Ten years into President Xi Jinping’s rule, repression deepens across the country. The Chinese government continues its abusive policies against Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims in Xinjiang, which amount to crimes against humanity. In both Tibet and Xinjiang, those who contact family and friends abroad, or who advocate for their culture, language, and religion, risk being treated as “separatists” and have been given harsh prison sentences. Across China, the government is further tightening social controls. There is no independent civil society; even small pockets of freedom are eliminated. In Hong Kong, the Chinese government has assumed full control over the city since imposing the National Security Law in 2020. www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/china#:~:text=Across%20China%2C%20the%20government%20is,National%20Security%20Law%20in%202020. According to the Amnesty International report from 2016/2017 the government continued to draft and enact a series of new national security laws that presented serious threats to the protection of human rights. The nationwide crackdown on human rights lawyers and activists continued throughout the year. Activists and human rights defenders continued to be systematically subjected to monitoring, harassment, intimidation, arrest, and detention.[18] The report continues that police detained increasing numbers of human rights defenders outside of formal detention facilities, sometimes without access to a lawyer for long periods, exposing the detainees to the risk of torture and other ill-treatment. Booksellers, publishers, activists, and a journalist who went missing in neighboring countries in 2015 and 2016 turned up at detention in China, causing concerns about China's law enforcement agencies acting outside their jurisdiction.[18] In a human rights report that assesses social, economic, and political freedoms, China has received the lowest ranking globally for safety from state actions and the right to assemble.[19] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_ChinaThere's loads more on wiki …you obvious didn’t see it through those rose tinted blinkers . Ah OK, I have actually come across both of those organisations and their representations on China before, so nothing really new. The devil lies in the detail. Some of the ECHR decisions that you all mock on here including myself are also categorised as human rights. There are checkpoints around the Xinjiang region and it is true security and monitoring is tight. They are looking out for anyone who might be carrying a long knife and feel like using it on innocent people so it might create an international press story or whatever other shit the CIA guys are up to. The fact you don't read about major tragedies in that region is precisely because the central government are very sensitive about the image of that area. They don't want any chance of the slightest thing to go wrong. In practice it just means you get your ID card scanned by a friendly border official and you can be on your way. I've seen this sort of thing and it is no big deal. It is better to have a bit of security than to let some shit happen, e.g. like we did on the 7/7 in Tavistock Square, London. They know more than I do about the real threats. I'm not the PLA. Which brings us back to “Just stop this fawning , dodging and strawmen. It’s cringy If you was Chinese and you criticised your government , culture , people anything like you criticised the West then you would find life a lot more difficult than you do. All this crap about ‘ it’s an Eastern thing…be polite ‘ is bollocks .”
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 26, 2024 19:20:41 GMT
Ah OK, I have actually come across both of those organisations and their representations on China before, so nothing really new. The devil lies in the detail. Some of the ECHR decisions that you all mock on here including myself are also categorised as human rights. There are checkpoints around the Xinjiang region and it is true security and monitoring is tight. They are looking out for anyone who might be carrying a long knife and feel like using it on innocent people so it might create an international press story or whatever other shit the CIA guys are up to. The fact you don't read about major tragedies in that region is precisely because the central government are very sensitive about the image of that area. They don't want any chance of the slightest thing to go wrong. In practice it just means you get your ID card scanned by a friendly border official and you can be on your way. I've seen this sort of thing and it is no big deal. It is better to have a bit of security than to let some shit happen, e.g. like we did on the 7/7 in Tavistock Square, London. They know more than I do about the real threats. I'm not the PLA. Which brings us back to “Just stop this fawning , dodging and strawmen. It’s cringy If you was Chinese and you criticised your government , culture , people anything like you criticised the West then you would find life a lot more difficult than you do. All this crap about ‘ it’s an Eastern thing…be polite ‘ is bollocks .” We are now talking more or less rather than talking in terms of significance. I recall one billionaire businessman saying how being a member of the party in China affects your business. His reply was very straightforward. In the past he said maybe 25%, now much less important, perhaps 10%.
So there you have it. It's nothing like North Korea where I would believe what you say. Private business it is upto the boss. If the boss is a party member then sure, he will be biased just as anyone would, like if you were Conservative and had a Labour Party member apply for a job you might be a bit offish. Going on how you treat my alternative views, I'd see it as a dead cert in fact.
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Post by Vinny on May 26, 2024 19:26:16 GMT
Not at all. I gave you real examples and you are free to check in wiki. Actually I have just been reading about Jimmy Lai. I have found some very interesting stuff out regarding the world of politics, banking, and intelligence agencies. It's to do with Matrix Chambers (remember Blair's wife). You live in a dream world of denial. Ten years into President Xi Jinping’s rule, repression deepens across the country. The Chinese government continues its abusive policies against Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims in Xinjiang, which amount to crimes against humanity. In both Tibet and Xinjiang, those who contact family and friends abroad, or who advocate for their culture, language, and religion, risk being treated as “separatists” and have been given harsh prison sentences. Across China, the government is further tightening social controls. There is no independent civil society; even small pockets of freedom are eliminated. In Hong Kong, the Chinese government has assumed full control over the city since imposing the National Security Law in 2020. www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/china#:~:text=Across%20China%2C%20the%20government%20is,National%20Security%20Law%20in%202020. According to the Amnesty International report from 2016/2017 the government continued to draft and enact a series of new national security laws that presented serious threats to the protection of human rights. The nationwide crackdown on human rights lawyers and activists continued throughout the year. Activists and human rights defenders continued to be systematically subjected to monitoring, harassment, intimidation, arrest, and detention.[18] The report continues that police detained increasing numbers of human rights defenders outside of formal detention facilities, sometimes without access to a lawyer for long periods, exposing the detainees to the risk of torture and other ill-treatment. Booksellers, publishers, activists, and a journalist who went missing in neighboring countries in 2015 and 2016 turned up at detention in China, causing concerns about China's law enforcement agencies acting outside their jurisdiction.[18] In a human rights report that assesses social, economic, and political freedoms, China has received the lowest ranking globally for safety from state actions and the right to assemble.[19] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_ChinaThere's loads more on wiki …you obvious didn’t see it through those rose tinted blinkers . He doesn't care so long as he can get his cheap Chinese tat and praise the twats governing it.
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Post by Bentley on May 26, 2024 19:30:58 GMT
Which brings us back to “Just stop this fawning , dodging and strawmen. It’s cringy If you was Chinese and you criticised your government , culture , people anything like you criticised the West then you would find life a lot more difficult than you do. All this crap about ‘ it’s an Eastern thing…be polite ‘ is bollocks .” We are now talking more or less rather than talking in terms of significance. I recall one billionaire businessman saying how being a member of the party in China affects your business. His reply was very straightforward. In the past he said maybe 25%, now much less important, perhaps 10%.
So there you have it. It's nothing like North Korea where I would believe what you say. Private business it is upto the boss. If the boss is a party member then sure, he will be biased just as anyone would, like if you were Conservative and had a Labour Party member apply for a job you might be a bit offish. Going on how you treat my alternative views, I'd see it as a dead cert in fact.
lol.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 27, 2024 9:01:45 GMT
We are now talking more or less rather than talking in terms of significance. I recall one billionaire businessman saying how being a member of the party in China affects your business. His reply was very straightforward. In the past he said maybe 25%, now much less important, perhaps 10%.
So there you have it. It's nothing like North Korea where I would believe what you say. Private business it is upto the boss. If the boss is a party member then sure, he will be biased just as anyone would, like if you were Conservative and had a Labour Party member apply for a job you might be a bit offish. Going on how you treat my alternative views, I'd see it as a dead cert in fact.
lol. At least the man is honest. Ask the same to those at your local lodge and they will all lie to you, guaranteed.
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2024 9:23:08 GMT
At least the man is honest. Ask the same to those at your local lodge and they will all lie to you, guaranteed. Do anyone who says anything that suits your fawning agenda is honest and anyone who says otherwise must be a lying Freemason . As I said previously…you live in a dream world .
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 27, 2024 9:52:16 GMT
At least the man is honest. Ask the same to those at your local lodge and they will all lie to you, guaranteed. Do anyone who says anything that suits your fawning agenda is honest and anyone who says otherwise must be a lying Freemason . As I said previously…you live in a dream world . I just don't live in your world. I'm still finishing my breakfast and my Italian woman is singing in the kitchen.
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Post by Vinny on May 27, 2024 9:54:54 GMT
Go live in Communist China.
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2024 10:54:58 GMT
Do anyone who says anything that suits your fawning agenda is honest and anyone who says otherwise must be a lying Freemason . As I said previously…you live in a dream world . I just don't live in your world. I'm still finishing my breakfast and my Italian woman is singing in the kitchen. There’s millions of breakfasts , millions of Italian women and millions of dream worlds . You just have one of each .
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