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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 26, 2024 14:33:43 GMT
Looks like I'm wading I to a firefight ... Ok where do I start Well perhaps that Have a listen to Morris Chang. He's a very smart man with some inspirational advice. |
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Post by Bentley on May 26, 2024 14:41:05 GMT
The irony is that if you criticised the Chinese government/ culture/ mindset as much as you criticise the West , you would probably be lucky to get a job sweeping up or cleaning out toilets . China is a collectivist society with little value afforded to the individual. Well you have to consider in those cases was it the chicken or the egg. You do see people over in China criticising the government in similar way to what I do and I can think of one person in particular from Australia who was at one time roughly even-handed and his criticisms were almost fair but a bit one sided to a position of just totally anti the government. You have to ask was it him or was it the government or perhaps could it have been the people. The thing was he had to get out of Australia as he had dodgy people on his back so fled, and then China treated him pretty well and gave him work and a roof over his head and friendly exchanges, but then he wanted to get a visa to the US and changed his tone to suit his objectives. He is well know in China for all the wrong reasons now and and Chinese guys regularly take the piss and he is the butt of their jokes. I can't say he didn't deserve it. The thing was he was not stopped by the government for putting out his hate and lies in the later days. The people did the job for them. You see the vast majority hold the government in high esteem, so the best I can describe it is how we would feel is some yank was being foul-mouthed agaisnt our beloved queen. It would make us turn our noses up. He did report signs officials were a bit nosier than usual and had their eyes on him, but nothing more than that.
I agree you do need to fit in and you should not disrespect their system, but you can criticise OK as long as you are even-handed. Mention what you like and what you don't like is fine. They are just sensitive towards those who are biased and full of hate and disrespect. Japan is similar. It's an Eastern thing. Be polite and decent and you will not have a problem.Why go there anyway if you don't like them.
Just stop this fawning , dodging and strawmen. It’s cringy If you was Chinese and you criticised your government , culture , people anything like you criticised the West then you would find life a lot more difficult than you do. All this crap about ‘ it’s an Eastern thing…be polite ‘ is bollocks . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 26, 2024 15:36:04 GMT
Well you have to consider in those cases was it the chicken or the egg. You do see people over in China criticising the government in similar way to what I do and I can think of one person in particular from Australia who was at one time roughly even-handed and his criticisms were almost fair but a bit one sided to a position of just totally anti the government. You have to ask was it him or was it the government or perhaps could it have been the people. The thing was he had to get out of Australia as he had dodgy people on his back so fled, and then China treated him pretty well and gave him work and a roof over his head and friendly exchanges, but then he wanted to get a visa to the US and changed his tone to suit his objectives. He is well know in China for all the wrong reasons now and and Chinese guys regularly take the piss and he is the butt of their jokes. I can't say he didn't deserve it. The thing was he was not stopped by the government for putting out his hate and lies in the later days. The people did the job for them. You see the vast majority hold the government in high esteem, so the best I can describe it is how we would feel is some yank was being foul-mouthed agaisnt our beloved queen. It would make us turn our noses up. He did report signs officials were a bit nosier than usual and had their eyes on him, but nothing more than that.
I agree you do need to fit in and you should not disrespect their system, but you can criticise OK as long as you are even-handed. Mention what you like and what you don't like is fine. They are just sensitive towards those who are biased and full of hate and disrespect. Japan is similar. It's an Eastern thing. Be polite and decent and you will not have a problem.Why go there anyway if you don't like them.
Just stop this fawning , dodging and strawmen. It’s cringy If you was Chinese and you criticised your government , culture , people anything like you criticised the West then you would find life a lot more difficult than you do. All this crap about ‘ it’s an Eastern thing…be polite ‘ is bollocks . It's also a middle class thing, where you display a working class attitude which is caustic. I don't think you realise half the time when you are being rude. |
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Post by Vinny on May 26, 2024 16:01:12 GMT
No it's a you're absolutely wrong thing.
China is a brutal dictatorship with a human rights record worse than that of Ghengis Khan.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 26, 2024 16:23:13 GMT
No it's a you're absolutely wrong thing. China is a brutal dictatorship with a human rights record worse than that of Ghengis Khan. If you went to China, what would you be most scared of then? Please try and avoid giving me a political answer because I won't accept an answer to a different question such as 'Would you go to China'. |
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Post by Vinny on May 26, 2024 16:40:33 GMT
Being locked up or killed for speaking out against the scum who run the place into the ground for their own personal profit.
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Post by Bentley on May 26, 2024 16:42:00 GMT
Just stop this fawning , dodging and strawmen. It’s cringy If you was Chinese and you criticised your government , culture , people anything like you criticised the West then you would find life a lot more difficult than you do. All this crap about ‘ it’s an Eastern thing…be polite ‘ is bollocks . It's also a middle class thing, where you display a working class attitude which is caustic. I don't think you realise half the time when you are being rude. For you , being rude is pointing out your sycophancy ,evasion and excuses for China . As you have just demonstrated. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 26, 2024 16:49:46 GMT
It's also a middle class thing, where you display a working class attitude which is caustic. I don't think you realise half the time when you are being rude. For you , being rude is pointing out your sycophancy ,evasion and excuses for China . As you have just demonstrated. I try and be fair-minded about everyone. Most of what you say about people is something on the negative side. We are talking relativity. Your reference point is your own approach. I'm more aligned to the Chinese approach. I'm not as they are, but the common traits are enough to form friendships. |
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Post by Bentley on May 26, 2024 16:55:12 GMT
For you , being rude is pointing out your sycophancy ,evasion and excuses for China . As you have just demonstrated. I try and be fair-minded about everyone. Most of what you say about people is something on the negative side. We are talking relativity. Your reference point is your own approach. I'm more aligned to the Chinese approach. I'm not as they are, but the common traits are enough to form friendships. Nope. You go off at a tangent , waffle and or make up strawmen or weak excuses . You managed to turn this simple truth “The irony is that if you criticised the Chinese government/ culture/ mindset as much as you criticise the West , you would probably be lucky to get a job sweeping up or cleaning out toilets . China is a collectivist society with little value afforded to the individual.” into a matter for a UK class system that you made up in your head to divert the possibility of actually addressing it. |
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Post by Handyman on May 26, 2024 17:20:29 GMT
The Chinese are very adept at Propaganda to the outside world, and experts in Industrial Espionage
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 26, 2024 17:26:24 GMT
I try and be fair-minded about everyone. Most of what you say about people is something on the negative side. We are talking relativity. Your reference point is your own approach. I'm more aligned to the Chinese approach. I'm not as they are, but the common traits are enough to form friendships. Nope. You go off at a tangent , waffle and or make up strawmen or weak excuses . You managed to turn this simple truth “The irony is that if you criticised the Chinese government/ culture/ mindset as much as you criticise the West , you would probably be lucky to get a job sweeping up or cleaning out toilets . China is a collectivist society with little value afforded to the individual.” into a matter for a UK class system that you made up in your head to divert the possibility of actually addressing it. It is a collectivist society, but like I still manage to make friends with our neighbour's cat without being a cat, I can still get on with people different to myself.
I personally respect their good manners, their non-judgmental approach, and their avoidance of war and disruption. I also respect them for their intelligence, but I will point out here that as far as I'm concerned I have a low tolerance of stupid people. I activity try and avoid them as I do those who are violent. In this case I freely admit I'm prejudiced in the PC sense. I do not like all the hatred and have become most disenchanted with the fools that run Britain. I do see an opportunity for Britain as we are post Brexit. There is a glimmer of hope that one day the Brits will come to their senses and elect sensible people who create good relations between the two countries so we can benefit and have some sort of future. My understanding is the US is going down like a sinking ship. You see a little tilt first of all and it gradually becomes more obvious and then at some point it goes tits up and sinks to the bottom. The primary cause seems to be itself, remarkable as that seems. The biggest blows are self-imposed. The leaders are actually going mad. Their pride has got the better of them as China overtakes in so many ways.
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Post by Bentley on May 26, 2024 17:32:29 GMT
Nope. You go off at a tangent , waffle and or make up strawmen or weak excuses . You managed to turn this simple truth “The irony is that if you criticised the Chinese government/ culture/ mindset as much as you criticise the West , you would probably be lucky to get a job sweeping up or cleaning out toilets . China is a collectivist society with little value afforded to the individual.” into a matter for a UK class system that you made up in your head to divert the possibility of actually addressing it. It is a collectivist society, but like I still manage to make friends with our neighbour's cat without being a cat, I can still get on with people different to myself.
I personally respect their good manners, their non-judgmental approach, and their avoidance of war and disruption. I also respect them for their intelligence, but I will point out here that as far as I'm concerned I have a low tolerance of stupid people. I activity try and avoid them as I do those who are violent. In this case I freely admit I'm prejudiced in the PC sense. I do not like all the hatred and have become most disenchanted with the fools that run Britain. I do see an opportunity for Britain as we are post Brexit. There is a glimmer of hope that one day the Brits will come to their senses and elect sensible people who create good relations between the two countries so we can benefit and have some sort of future. My understanding is the US is going down like a sinking ship. You see a little tilt first of all and it gradually becomes more obvious and then at some point it goes tits up and sinks to the bottom. The primary cause seems to be itself, remarkable as that seems. The biggest blows are self-imposed. The leaders are actually going mad. Their pride has got the better of them as China overtakes in so many ways.
Bully for you . None of that refutes this “The irony is that if you criticised the Chinese government/ culture/ mindset as much as you criticise the West , you would probably be lucky to get a job sweeping up or cleaning out toilets”……….. or starts to address it . In other words we are back to “ You go off at a tangent , waffle and or make up strawmen or weak excuses .” Give me strength…. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 26, 2024 17:49:29 GMT
It is a collectivist society, but like I still manage to make friends with our neighbour's cat without being a cat, I can still get on with people different to myself.
I personally respect their good manners, their non-judgmental approach, and their avoidance of war and disruption. I also respect them for their intelligence, but I will point out here that as far as I'm concerned I have a low tolerance of stupid people. I activity try and avoid them as I do those who are violent. In this case I freely admit I'm prejudiced in the PC sense. I do not like all the hatred and have become most disenchanted with the fools that run Britain. I do see an opportunity for Britain as we are post Brexit. There is a glimmer of hope that one day the Brits will come to their senses and elect sensible people who create good relations between the two countries so we can benefit and have some sort of future. My understanding is the US is going down like a sinking ship. You see a little tilt first of all and it gradually becomes more obvious and then at some point it goes tits up and sinks to the bottom. The primary cause seems to be itself, remarkable as that seems. The biggest blows are self-imposed. The leaders are actually going mad. Their pride has got the better of them as China overtakes in so many ways.
Bully for you . None of that refutes this “The irony is that if you criticised the Chinese government/ culture/ mindset as much as you criticise the West , you would probably be lucky to get a job sweeping up or cleaning out toilets”……….. or starts to address it . In other words we are back to “ You go off at a tangent , waffle and or make up strawmen or weak excuses .” Give me strength…. There are different levels of criticism in China. Call them red, amber and green. Red would be someone like Jimmy Lai, now eating Chinese porridge. Amber would be Jack Ma, who is a prolific talker and talks about anything, including giving the government advice on how to run the banking system. He's still around, but got pruned back somewhat and his Ant flotation was called off by them upstairs. Green is like that Australian. He's a nobody and they couldn't give a shit about him. Getting a job in China is all about how smart you are. If you are smart, say with a PhD in computing, then you'll pick up a job at the drop of a hat and be treated very well. Companies don't give a shit about your personal beliefs. They want to see performance. It's all bottom line thinking. The companies are polite as well. Everyone is polite over there except a few lowlife gangster types up to no good. |
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Post by Vinny on May 26, 2024 17:53:54 GMT
Missed points again Baron.
It's a dictatorship.
It kills people.
Fuck Xi Jinping.
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Post by Bentley on May 26, 2024 17:54:08 GMT
Bully for you . None of that refutes this “The irony is that if you criticised the Chinese government/ culture/ mindset as much as you criticise the West , you would probably be lucky to get a job sweeping up or cleaning out toilets”……….. or starts to address it . In other words we are back to “ You go off at a tangent , waffle and or make up strawmen or weak excuses .” Give me strength…. There are different levels of criticism in China. Call them red, amber and green. Red would be someone like Jimmy Lai, now eating Chinese porridge. Amber would be Jack Ma, who is a prolific talker and talks about anything, including giving the government advice on how to run the banking system. He's still around, but got pruned back somewhat and his Ant flotation was called off by them upstairs. Green is like that Australian. He's a nobody and they couldn't give a shit about him. Getting a job in China is all about how smart you are. If you are smart, say with a PhD in computing, then you'll pick up a job at the drop of a hat and be treated very well. Companies don't give a shit about your personal beliefs. They want to see performance. It's all bottom line thinking. The companies are polite as well. Everyone is polite over there except a few lowlife gangster types up to no good. China does not tolerate criticism of the system . You live in a dream world . |
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