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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 30, 2024 16:41:11 GMT
How very virtuous of you to dismiss safe spaces for women and girls with such ease. Did dismiss any space of any type?
We actually donate to, and support, Refuge** — it's a practical way to protect vulnerable women without misrepresenting and trivialising a larger problem for political ends...
**https://refuge.org.uk/
Do you agree with men in dresses using women's/girls toilets & changing rooms?..
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Post by patman post on Jun 30, 2024 16:46:46 GMT
Did dismiss any space of any type?
We actually donate to, and support, Refuge** — it's a practical way to protect vulnerable women without misrepresenting and trivialising a larger problem for political ends...
**https://refuge.org.uk/
Do you agree with men in dresses using women's/girls toilets & changing rooms?.. No — and I'm still not convinced it's a problem in the world outside make-believe political campaigning...
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 30, 2024 16:50:54 GMT
Even though you appear to have tried to alter my post, I don't see that you've explained why the topic is anything else than a desperate Tory attempt to blame Labour for what is, in reality, hardly a mainstream issue... It appears to be a mainstream issue in the NHS... ..."Nurses suing their employer for allowing trans women to use their changing rooms" link
This trans nonsense is going to explode under a woke Labour government. Given that Labour seem unable to decide what a woman even is, a trans-fiasco seems imminent.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 30, 2024 17:04:30 GMT
Do you agree with men in dresses using women's/girls toilets & changing rooms?.. No — and I'm still not convinced it's a problem in the world outside make-believe political campaigning... Quite clearly men in dresses in women only spaces is a problem, and with a woke Labour government it's going to be an even bigger problem.
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Post by patman post on Jun 30, 2024 17:13:40 GMT
No — and I'm still not convinced it's a problem in the world outside make-believe political campaigning... Quite clearly men in dresses in women only spaces is a problem, and with a woke Labour government it's going to be an even bigger problem.
Well, seemingly unlike you, I don't hang around outside toilets and changing rooms noting assigning genders to those who use which...
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 30, 2024 17:14:09 GMT
It appears to be a mainstream issue in the NHS... ..."Nurses suing their employer for allowing trans women to use their changing rooms" link
This trans nonsense is going to explode under a woke Labour government. Given that Labour seem unable to decide what a woman even is, a trans-fiasco seems imminent. Indeed, tbh I think what we've seen so far is the tip of the iceberg. A Labour government will be seen as a green light by an officious minority who worship woke and insist men in dresses/extreme gender ideology should be promoted as a good thing. There's trouble ahead that's for sure.
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 30, 2024 17:21:20 GMT
Do you have a penis , wear a dress , call yourself Patricia ? If so do you try to use the female changing rooms at the local gym ? If not and would use the male changing room it wouldn't be a problem for you Even though you appear to have tried to alter my post, I don't see that you've explained why the topic is anything else than a desperate Tory attempt to blame Labour for what is, in reality, hardly a mainstream issue...
I haven't altered your post - you claim its a non issue - it might be if it doesn't affect you in any way whatsoever and you dont have any female relatives/friends/partners Didn't you know that Labour has female voters too - can't think why They used to have JK Rowling(a woman ) as a supporter , until she asked questions as to why labour was effectively cancelling 50 % of the population to be ''in'' with a minority of men with severe mental health issues who want to wiggle their penis in front of women using female facilities or mediocre male sportsmen now calling themselves Sally and demanding to compete at local/national/international levels against women they can beat using their superior strength
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 30, 2024 17:28:27 GMT
I've no idea why Patsy's trying to flag this up as a Tory issue when it's Labour that are clearly confused.
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 30, 2024 17:34:22 GMT
Do you agree with men in dresses using women's/girls toilets & changing rooms?.. No — and I'm still not convinced it's a problem in the world outside make-believe political campaigning... I've posted this before -Nothing make believe , its real . It's an international female swimmer describing having to share a changing room with a bloke now calling itself female and swimming against top class female swimmers and wanting recognition in female swimming halls of fame. It appears you disagree that this is a serious problem In addition to being forced to give up our awards and our titles and our opportunities, the NCAA forced me and my female swimmers to swim, to share a locker room with Thomas, a 6’2″, 22-year-old male, equipped with and exposing male genitalia. Let me be clear about this: We were not forewarned we would be sharing a locker room. No one asked for our consent and we did not give our consent. And I’ll set the scene—a swimming locker room is not a place of modesty. You’re undressing, you’re fully exposed, and we were forced to take off our swimsuit in front of a man, who was doing the exact same thing. If nothing else, I truly hope you-all, you can see this is a violation of our right to privacy and how some of us have felt uncomfortable, embarrassed, and even traumatized by this experience.I know that I don’t speak for every single person who competed against Lia Thomas, but I know I speak for many. Because I saw the tears, I saw the tears from the ninth and 17th place finishers, who missed out on being named an All-American by one place. And I can attest to the extreme discomfort in the locker room, from these 18- to 22-year-old girls, when you turn around and there’s male eyes watching in that same room.
www.dailysignal.com/2023/06/21/riley-gaines-describes-sharing-locker-room-lia-thomas/
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Post by patman post on Jun 30, 2024 18:26:40 GMT
Even though you appear to have tried to alter my post, I don't see that you've explained why the topic is anything else than a desperate Tory attempt to blame Labour for what is, in reality, hardly a mainstream issue...
I haven't altered your post - you claim its a non issue - it might be if it doesn't affect you in any way whatsoever and you dont have any female relatives/friends/partners Didn't you know that Labour has female voters too - can't think why They used to have JK Rowling(a woman ) as a supporter , until she asked questions as to why labour was effectively cancelling 50 % of the population to be ''in'' with a minority of men with severe mental health issues who want to wiggle their penis in front of women using female facilities or mediocre male sportsmen now calling themselves Sally and demanding to compete at local/national/international levels against women they can beat using their superior strength The alteration appeared in blue. You can check.
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As you come across as confused as to what I am querying, this may help: I believe a man is a man however he is dressed; I believe a woman is a woman however she is dressed. I know there are men who live and behave like women, and I believe there are women who dress and behave like men.
There have been a few reports over the years of sports people with pronounced male characteristics competing in women's events. I don't think that should happen.
I have seen a few men dressed as women on public spaces, and fewer women dressed as males. What I haven't noticed is their choice of toilet, nor have been aware that, whatever it was, has caused any disruption.
My inclination had been to relegate any references to the topic as a minor point of interest, but it began to be mentioned more frequently on here, so I wondered why.
Now, I've come to see it as a campaigning tactic initiated by desperate Tory propaganda, desperate to counter the apparent vast loss of votes to Labour, Liberal and Reform — now aggravated by the betting scandal...
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 30, 2024 18:39:20 GMT
I haven't altered your post - you claim its a non issue - it might be if it doesn't affect you in any way whatsoever and you dont have any female relatives/friends/partners Didn't you know that Labour has female voters too - can't think why They used to have JK Rowling(a woman ) as a supporter , until she asked questions as to why labour was effectively cancelling 50 % of the population to be ''in'' with a minority of men with severe mental health issues who want to wiggle their penis in front of women using female facilities or mediocre male sportsmen now calling themselves Sally and demanding to compete at local/national/international levels against women they can beat using their superior strength The alteration appeared in blue. You can check.
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As you come across as confused as to what I am querying, this may help: I believe a man is a man however he is dressed; I believe a woman is a woman however she is dressed. I know there are men who live and behave like women, and I believe there are women who dress and behave like men.
There have been a few reports over the years of sports people with pronounced male characteristics competing in women's events. I don't think that should happen.
I have seen a few men dressed as women on public spaces, and fewer women dressed as males. What I haven't noticed is their choice of toilet, nor have been aware that, whatever it was, has caused any disruption.
My inclination had been to relegate any references to the topic as a minor point of interest, but it began to be mentioned more frequently on here, so I wondered why.
Now, I've come to see it as a campaigning tactic initiated by desperate Tory propaganda, desperate to counter the apparent vast loss of votes to Labour, Liberal and Reform — now aggravated by the betting scandal...
Ok let's start with a quick reminder of my letter to the south wales echo in the 70's deploring the attack on our cross dressing lecturer of physiology suggesting he was a corruption to tbe morals of the young. I gave this woman a verbal kicking not least for her stance that I was a child open to corruption when in fact I was even by her faux Victorian prudism a full adult having attained the age of 21, the Victorian age of majority I stand by what I said then. I never saw the chap at work in anything other than a business suit, labour coat or medical scrubs. If a bloke wants to wander round in a dress and a wig on HIS time, so be it. If a bloke wants to wander up the coast path by our house stark bollok naked, so be it. There are no children on this estate now, all have grown and almost all have moved out to their own place. What I do however demand is the right to publicly mock, and enjoy public group mockery of such pricks. Particularly the naked ramblers. I said on here if such a twat WERE to wander down here it would be like Nanny Off and Granny Weatherwax ... "what's that between his legs gytha ?" "God only knows Esme. I mean it LOOKS like a dick but our Jase had one bigger than that the day I gave birth to him" Well, since writing that we HAD the fun of a stark bollock naked twat wandering the wetland reserve just across the way and some bloody idiot hobby bobby was later despatched to our street to meet as many as possible and communicate the fact that our mockery of said twat's lack of ability in the elevation dept as judged from what we could see on display was deeply hurtful and abusive...... Yes, god almighty the twat had called in our mockery as 'abusive taunting' I wasn't entirely able to retain a straight face at this bloke telling me this. I called my next door neighbor over the fence - a retired chief super - and the three of us - joined by a few others walking their dogs - had a lovely chat over a pot of tea on my newly weeded front patio in the sun, during which I quoted chapter and verse to the jerk in a joke plod uniform that in order to make a section 5 public order charge stick he would need to PROVE to a judge that those of those of us pensioners seated here, of which I - with type 2 diabetes heart failure and the after effects of a stroke was still probably the fittest, strongest and in better health than any other of us geriatrics - had instilled into said complainant a physical state of alarm, distress and fear for his physical wellbeing being and whilst I was no lawyer I wished him the very best of luck with that And furthermore would he mind telling the next bloke who fancied strolling starkers across the coast path starkers to first get surgery to elongate his dick as I don't think my heart failure could withstand the mirth of another shrunken specimen of the size sported by his complainant. The hobby bobby retired from the field of combat. In truth I think he looked happy to get the hell away. But this is the problem, right there. I'm required by law to tolerate behaviour for which I feel one should be horsewhipped. As to the toilets business As I have pointed out, our office during the pandemic had the toilets refurbished and rebadged. Each is a separate closet in a separate fully enclosed room. It was anyway. The point is the old Offices Shops and Railway Premises act set down a fixed number of male and female toilets urinals water closets etc. you had to have that ratio in proportion to the workforce. Today the office is largely hot desked and the ratio of male to female employees onsite varies wildly. The bank chose to make each cubicle unisex to avoid the stupidity of being done by Elfin Safety on days when all men or all women staff were in. But I remember 1997 when a bloke at British telecom asserted his right to identify as a woman and my boss was forced by HR to consult all the women in the office for their view on letting IT use their bogs.... Today, the real problem is actually the power that Diversity Tsars have to fuck you over for not treading their line
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Post by Bentley on Jun 30, 2024 19:50:02 GMT
Quite clearly men in dresses in women only spaces is a problem, and with a woke Labour government it's going to be an even bigger problem.
Well, seemingly unlike you, I don't hang around outside toilets and changing rooms noting assigning genders to those who use which... Good. However your woke friends think that it’s a big deal that Dave with a dick can’t ( technically ) use women’s safe spaces . Such a big deal that they will facilitate that for him.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 30, 2024 21:32:20 GMT
Dont know many feminists? - you must have heard of JK Rowling or Rosie Duffield, or perhaps Julie Bindel? I've heard of JK Rowling, but not the others, and can confidently say that I've not met any of them.
I concede that I do know some men and women who have said they support women's rights and believe in the equality of the sexes, which — I think I correctly understand — could be classed as feminism.
I don't know how strongly they hold their views, or whether current Tory-campaigner inspired gender issues have affected them. Or if any of this has to do with my querying the relevance of the topic to our daily lives...
Well I'm married to a feminist so women's rights have been a significant part of my daily life for the past 40 years. But it takes all sorts as we know.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 30, 2024 21:42:11 GMT
Do you agree with men in dresses using women's/girls toilets & changing rooms?.. No — and I'm still not convinced it's a problem in the world outside make-believe political campaigning... So the Nurses in the NHS are are Tory moles who are just make-believe political campaigners? - that sounds like a bit of a stretch tbh, especially as any Tory supporters in the NHS are rarer than good football at an England game.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 1, 2024 8:27:08 GMT
I've heard of JK Rowling, but not the others, and can confidently say that I've not met any of them.
I concede that I do know some men and women who have said they support women's rights and believe in the equality of the sexes, which — I think I correctly understand — could be classed as feminism.
I don't know how strongly they hold their views, or whether current Tory-campaigner inspired gender issues have affected them. Or if any of this has to do with my querying the relevance of the topic to our daily lives...
Well I'm married to a feminist so women's rights have been a significant part of my daily life for the past 40 years. But it takes all sorts as we know. There can't be a 'decent' married man in the world who doesn't feel the same .........it makes me sick to the stomach thinking some bloke dressed as a woman is in women's changing rooms ogling them ... I know I'm going to get all the outraged lefties saying 'how do you know they are perverts disguised as women' .... my answer to them is .... I don't and I'm not taking any chance, and if that offends the eternally offended .......well I don't give shit.
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