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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 27, 2024 12:12:33 GMT
I'm sure we had this conversation recently on the mind zone, but I pointed out that while Universal Credit is not taxable, Jon Seekers Allowance is. Yes , I highlighted the lefty pretence that handouts don't come as a package ( they do) if you care to look back Why are you repeating your previous posted lefty misinformation that Job seekers/ESA is taxable per se - it isn't.
(ESA) and jobseeker's allowance (JSA) can be taxable if they are paid based on National Insurance contributions you have made, or can be non-taxable if they are instead means-tested (based on your financial situation).Another Win-win for the never/hardly worked handouts sponger www.litrg.org.uk/tax-nic/how-tax-collected/tax-state-benefits#:~:text=You%20need%20to%20be%20careful,based%20on%20your%20financial%20situation).Except that the other form of JSA, Jsa(IB) has been rolled into UC, so doesn't really exist anymore, so any JSA claims are based on NI contributions. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 27, 2024 12:14:15 GMT
Its hypocricy that a government gives very special terms, or treats a section of society differently when you consider that for over a decade most public sector workers got either no annual pay rise, or a pay rise below inflation. Perhaps if we explained to a pensioner on a MINIMUM of £13,000 PA, and getting free rent, that the measly 50p they pay each week in tax might shorten their wait for a knee operation, or a cataract procedure. Its 100% wrong - the Income Tax threshold must be the same for everyone, no special opt-outs. Pensioners on £13000 and rent free ? Where are these lucky pensioners ? The income tax threshold is the same for pensioners as it is for everyone else . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2024 12:24:29 GMT
I was talking about what was said. Nigel never said and your government will have the ability to stop immigration. And my point was that FoM would have been fine if we hadn't spent decades before propping up our economy by inviting millions from across the globe to live here. If Nigel was trying to be honest with the people, that's what he would have said. And that still holds true 8 years after leaving FoM, staying in would have meant less people coming here than the ones we have invited. Time to wake up and smell the reality Nigel had his own reasons for wanting us out of the EU, he just found one most appealing to the British public. Nigel could have informed the public that there was no need to leave the EU to stop immigration It was clearly stated that immigration from outside the EU was in the control of government and FOM in the EU meant that we had little control of who arrived from teh EU. To control all immigration leaving the EU was a necessity but beyond that being honest with the British people was that if one is a member of a trading bloc such as the EU then laws and regulations are made by the bloc as a whole in whatever manner has been arranged. To be a sovereign nation leaving the EU was both desirable and necessary. I would say we let our guard down and placed too much trust in the Tories, who are nothing more than corrupt lying slags who were hellbent of fucking the people who voted for them. Every party today is left-wing and corrupt to the core and all represent those the people voted to be rid of. There's Reform, but the establishment are currently using the police state to attack them, with people being visited by the police for simply having a Reform sticker on their window.
Democracy has obviously failed the people. It's now a case of acceptance or war.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 27, 2024 13:08:45 GMT
Its hypocricy that a government gives very special terms, or treats a section of society differently when you consider that for over a decade most public sector workers got either no annual pay rise, or a pay rise below inflation. Perhaps if we explained to a pensioner on a MINIMUM of £13,000 PA, and getting free rent, that the measly 50p they pay each week in tax might shorten their wait for a knee operation, or a cataract procedure. Its 100% wrong - the Income Tax threshold must be the same for everyone, no special opt-outs. Pensioners on £13000 and rent free ? Where are these lucky pensioners ? The income tax threshold is the same for pensioners as it is for everyone else . Yes I am unclear what is being argued about, the state pension is classed as taxable income, if it is not then I am owed some money I have paid in tax. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 27, 2024 13:47:01 GMT
Pensioners on £13000 and rent free ? Where are these lucky pensioners ? The income tax threshold is the same for pensioners as it is for everyone else . Yes I am unclear what is being argued about, the state pension is classed as taxable income, if it is not then I am owed some money I have paid in tax. You're correct. |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 27, 2024 14:29:49 GMT
Pensioners on £13000 and rent free ? Where are these lucky pensioners ? The income tax threshold is the same for pensioners as it is for everyone else . Yes I am unclear what is being argued about, the state pension is classed as taxable income, if it is not then I am owed some money I have paid in tax. Me too. I’m liable for tax in my state pension ( as is my wife ) , I have to pay tax on any drawdown too, of course . Im wondering who there pensioners are ‘ getting ‘ rent free homes . |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 27, 2024 14:48:54 GMT
Yes I am unclear what is being argued about, the state pension is classed as taxable income, if it is not then I am owed some money I have paid in tax. Me too. I’m liable for tax in my state pension ( as is my wife ) , I have to pay tax on any drawdown too, of course . Im wondering who there pensioners are ‘ getting ‘ rent free homes . Pensioners who are on Guarantee Credit on top of their State Retirement Pension, who rent their home. |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 27, 2024 15:19:40 GMT
Me too. I’m liable for tax in my state pension ( as is my wife ) , I have to pay tax on any drawdown too, of course . Im wondering who there pensioners are ‘ getting ‘ rent free homes . Pensioners who are on Guarantee Credit on top of their State Retirement Pension, who rent their home. Which by proportion is more likely to be ethnic minorities. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 27, 2024 15:20:43 GMT
Its hypocricy that a government gives very special terms, or treats a section of society differently when you consider that for over a decade most public sector workers got either no annual pay rise, or a pay rise below inflation. Perhaps if we explained to a pensioner on a MINIMUM of £13,000 PA, and getting free rent, that the measly 50p they pay each week in tax might shorten their wait for a knee operation, or a cataract procedure. Its 100% wrong - the Income Tax threshold must be the same for everyone, no special opt-outs. You therefore must surely agree that handout packages in excess of the personal tax allowance to welfare spongers should be fully taxable at standard income tax rates paid by their funders? If not what ,in your opinion , makes benefits spongers packages ''special''? I never refer to people on welfare payments as "Spongers", I leave that for Conservatives to do. |
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Post by patman post on Jun 27, 2024 15:29:43 GMT
Pensioners (and some categories) get a number of special deals — eg, travel concessions, lunch deals, lower event and exhibition entrance prices (even Iceland gave 10% off on Tuesdays).
Is the suggestion specials such as these should be scrapped...?
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 27, 2024 15:48:34 GMT
This is what the Tories HAVE done and PROPOSE to do
(1) They have frozen the threshold for working people
(2) They will raise the threshold for those on state pensions
They have already implemented (1) and would introduce (2) if elected
The effects of (1) from a political party which INSISTS that it is a tax cutting party, and will cut everyones taxes, is that 4.4 Million more people have now been dragged into paying Income Tax.
The Conservatives are freezing thresholds for working people - but want to raise the threshold for pensioners.
A pensioner on ONLY the state pension, and no other income, will highly likely get other benefits, particularly either free rent, or help with rent. But because the Tory Triple Lock guarantees annual rises of pensions in line with inflation ( the ONLY section of society to get this ), it will mean that by 2027, these pensioners will for the first time be liable for a TINY AMOUNT OF INCOME TAX.
To avoid pensioners paying Income Tax, the Tories propose to raise the tax threshold FOR PENSIONERS ONLY.
Meanwhile, working people on low incomes are worse off, and it could be said that these people are paying to give pensioners the biggest share of the cake.
Pensioners are far more likely to vote Conservative ... work it out for yourself
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Post by zanygame on Jun 27, 2024 16:06:32 GMT
I was talking about what was said. Nigel never said and your government will have the ability to stop immigration. And my point was that FoM would have been fine if we hadn't spent decades before propping up our economy by inviting millions from across the globe to live here. If Nigel was trying to be honest with the people, that's what he would have said. And that still holds true 8 years after leaving FoM, staying in would have meant less people coming here than the ones we have invited. Time to wake up and smell the reality Nigel had his own reasons for wanting us out of the EU, he just found one most appealing to the British public. Nigel could have informed the public that there was no need to leave the EU to stop immigration LOL! CamoBlair tried that and got told to fuck off.
Brexit was the result.
Wrong. The Eu recognised our issue with having the common spoken language and offered us a 4 your moratorium on FoM to allow us to come up with suggested solutions. Cameron decided not to act on that. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 27, 2024 16:10:10 GMT
Pensioners who are on Guarantee Credit on top of their State Retirement Pension, who rent their home. Which by proportion is more likely to be ethnic minorities. Is it? I haven't looked at any stats, but I'd be absolutely flabbergasted if that was true. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 27, 2024 16:11:28 GMT
PENSIONS If fairness really means fairness, then can anyone explain why the state pension ought to be the ONLY kind of income which is exempt from Income Tax. ? Or to put this another way, why should pensioners be the ONLY section of the population to be singled out to have their own special tax ceiling, a different Income Tax threshold to everyone else. ? What about working families on low incomes ? At present no pensioner pays income tax on their state pension - IF - that is their only source of income, because obviously it falls below the tax threshold. In the financial year 2027-28 the state pension will just fall into the tax threshold, and at worst it could mean that pensioners would pay about 50p per week ( FIFTY PENCE ). This is clearly a scheme to Buy Votes, pensioners are the demographic group in society with the most disposable income, generally the wealthiest group in the population, but pensioners are also the group most likely to vote Conservative. If the Tories were in the slightest bit interested in helping ordinary people, then a pensioner earning £13,000 per year + help with rent, surely would not mind paying 50p per week to help those at the other end of the chain, young people starting off in life and REALLY struggling. All this wind and whaff from Sunak about taxing pensioners amounts to less than the price of a cheap loaf of bread per week. Why are the left so obsessed with pensioners? Why does it enrage them so much that someone who's worked their whole life might enjoy a comfortable retirement?
Pensioners have, in the main, paid for their pensions quite handsomely over many years.
It makes far more sense to be concerned about the £billions being handed to scroungers who've never contributed a penny in their lives.
Its who is expected to pay for it. How about if the super rich cared so much about pensioners who have worked their whole lives they pay for it. Or well to do Tories paying for their elderly voters Assuming there's any Tory voters left to do so. Funny thing all those pensioners biting the hand that feeds them. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 27, 2024 16:13:45 GMT
Pensioners on £13000 and rent free ? Where are these lucky pensioners ? The income tax threshold is the same for pensioners as it is for everyone else . Yes I am unclear what is being argued about, the state pension is classed as taxable income, if it is not then I am owed some money I have paid in tax. I may be wrong but didn't Rishi promise not to tax them? |
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