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Post by patman post on May 27, 2024 20:36:40 GMT
You may not have noticed while you drooled over your ultra Right heroes and illusions of regained sovereignty, but Labour has not been in power for 14 years, and has had to sit on the sidelines while the Tories indulged in their UK self-harming fest… The civil service was exposed when they were supporting and joining the Labour party. If there were any actual Conservatives around they were made impotent by the corruption that Labour left behind, which also infected the party. The Tories were not allowed to be Conservative and those that tried were eliminated. You should know this, and I'm sure you do. Just because they didn't drop to their knees to racist Marxist Hamas supporing BLM doesn't mean they were any less Labour. All the Tories did was say one thing and do the other. This is why they're very unpopular amongst actual Conservatives. Immature word salad of ridiculous scenarios by a misled Right partisan who ignores the fact that the UK has an elected government and a competent civil service to help administer its objectives. The administration cannot be hogtied by an uncooperative civil service — individuals within which are entitled to support whatever legal political party they choose. The current administration’s own stupidity and inability to convince the majority of its own MPs that it’s pursuing rational objectives is responsible for today’s broken Britain. The UK needs to break free from a decade of economic stagnation… |
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Post by patman post on May 27, 2024 20:37:21 GMT
Organisations and titles? No — I didn’t think so… All of them apart from gydofawkes and GB news....Not difficult is it?... I didn’t think so… |
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Post by patman post on May 27, 2024 20:40:44 GMT
You may not have noticed while you drooled over your ultra Right heroes and illusions of regained sovereignty, but Labour has not been in power for 14 years, and has had to sit on the sidelines while the Tories indulged in their UK self-harming fest… Hence my post “And you understand that Tories will tend to get harder questions than Starmer because Starmer hasn’t actually done much that is significant” Try to keep up. But Labour has not been in power for 14 years. Are you suggesting it has supernatural powers that enable it to run the country while in opposition…? |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 27, 2024 20:42:22 GMT
Hence my post “And you understand that Tories will tend to get harder questions than Starmer because Starmer hasn’t actually done much that is significant” Try to keep up. But Labour has not been in power for 14 years. Are you suggesting it has supernatural powers that enable it to run the country while in opposition…? The Conservatives have not been in power for 14 years either. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 20:46:45 GMT
The civil service was exposed when they were supporting and joining the Labour party. If there were any actual Conservatives around they were made impotent by the corruption that Labour left behind, which also infected the party. The Tories were not allowed to be Conservative and those that tried were eliminated. You should know this, and I'm sure you do. Just because they didn't drop to their knees to racist Marxist Hamas supporing BLM doesn't mean they were any less Labour. All the Tories did was say one thing and do the other. This is why they're very unpopular amongst actual Conservatives. Immature word salad of ridiculous scenarios by a misled Right partisan who ignores the fact that the UK has an elected government and a competent civil service to help administer its objectives. The administration cannot be hogtied by an uncooperative civil service — individuals within which are entitled to support whatever legal political party they choose. The current administration’s own stupidity and inability to convince the majority of its own MPs that it’s pursuing rational objectives is responsible for today’s broken Britain. The UK needs to break free from a decade of economic stagnation… The most successful political party in the country suddenly decided to destroy itself with no external influence. Surely you don't expect intelligent people to believe that, do you?
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2024 21:00:02 GMT
Hence my post “And you understand that Tories will tend to get harder questions than Starmer because Starmer hasn’t actually done much that is significant” Try to keep up. But Labour has not been in power for 14 years. Are you suggesting it has supernatural powers that enable it to run the country while in opposition…? I’m suggesting the Tories will tend to get harder questions than Starmer because Starmer hasn’t actually done much that is significant. lol |
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2024 21:10:13 GMT
The civil service was exposed when they were supporting and joining the Labour party. If there were any actual Conservatives around they were made impotent by the corruption that Labour left behind, which also infected the party. The Tories were not allowed to be Conservative and those that tried were eliminated. You should know this, and I'm sure you do. Just because they didn't drop to their knees to racist Marxist Hamas supporing BLM doesn't mean they were any less Labour. All the Tories did was say one thing and do the other. This is why they're very unpopular amongst actual Conservatives. Immature word salad of ridiculous scenarios by a misled Right partisan who ignores the fact that the UK has an elected government and a competent civil service to help administer its objectives. The administration cannot be hogtied by an uncooperative civil service — individuals within which are entitled to support whatever legal political party they choose. The current administration’s own stupidity and inability to convince the majority of its own MPs that it’s pursuing rational objectives is responsible for today’s broken Britain. The UK needs to break free from a decade of economic stagnation… Of course an administration can be ham strung if not hog tied by an uncooperative/ hostile civil service . However I believe that a conflicting vision of a post Brexit UK between the Tories did the most damage The difference between Mays and Trusses vision pretty much makes the point . COVID didnt help bond the fragile government either. By the time Sunak was PM we were royally fucked because Sunak didn’t have the vision or statesmanship to lead the UK. |
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Post by bancroft on May 27, 2024 21:27:45 GMT
Labour is going to declare war against the motorist (not EV) yet the rest.
They will bring in more votes for the 16 yrs old as soon as they can and as for immigration, France has it worse than us so forget him making any progress it will get worse.
God help us if there is another virus outbreak lockdowns for life.........
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Post by zanygame on May 27, 2024 21:30:29 GMT
When labour were in power they came in the back of Lorries, same issue different means. If you're gonna start sprouting crap again about the EU shipping them here then the conversation ends. The EU ship no one anywhere. The illegals pay thousands to get to taken to Britain, not France not Germany. If offered a place in France they'd refuse. Rwanda is not better than nothing, its worse. It incredibly expensive and will stop no one. Its like fitting shag pile carpet to your house to stop it flooding. It soaks up the first few millimetres at a collosal cost, but your home still floods. When Labour were in power the EU weren't allowing 20,000 criminals a year to drag dinghies in broad daylight down French beaches en route for England. But that was before Brexit, and as we all know, the UK must be punished for Brexit. The EU without the consent of any electorates removed all borders and encouraged mass immigration from the RoW but particularly from Africa, and as you know in 2008 and 2009 the EU opened job centres in Africa and sent envoys to Africa to encourage migration, the EU spent €billions on project Africa. Then Merkel had the utter bloody gall to apologise for it and say she wished the clock could be turned back. Of course that was years ago, and it's all going tits up now isn't it. The unelected bureaucrats have finally realised that forced mass immigration is in-fact a massive threat to the continuation of the enforced Euro experiment therefor they are quietly backtracking on previously firm held migration policy. Why? Because the unelected masters of the universe who govern from behind closed doors in Brussels may not be bothered what electorates think of their policies, as long as electorates are going along with them but as soon as European electorates start voting for centre right parties, as they are doing because they are sick of enforced mass immigration, the EU immediately prioritise self preservation over long held policies. ZG when Schuman and Monet came up with the idea of a United States of Europe or whatever you want to call it, it was to ensure against WW3, not to flood Europe with every vagrant criminal and ne'er-do-well from the rest of the world. Red the asylum increase did not happen in 2016.  The rest of your post: I'm fed up with explaining to you the difference between opening job centres in Africa and refugees fleeing war. Sorry I engaged again. I forgot. |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 27, 2024 21:31:08 GMT
But Labour has not been in power for 14 years. Are you suggesting it has supernatural powers that enable it to run the country while in opposition…? I’m suggesting the Tories will tend to get harder questions than Starmer because Starmer hasn’t actually done much that is significant. lol Or maybe those who have been in charge will be held accountable for their record? That's how it should be. |
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Post by zanygame on May 27, 2024 21:34:20 GMT
But Labour has not been in power for 14 years. Are you suggesting it has supernatural powers that enable it to run the country while in opposition…? The Conservatives have not been in power for 14 years either.  |
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2024 21:38:21 GMT
I’m suggesting the Tories will tend to get harder questions than Starmer because Starmer hasn’t actually done much that is significant. lol Or maybe those who have been in charge will be held accountable for their record? That's how it should be. Of course the Tories will be held accountable for what they did . You cannot be accountable for doing nothing of significance but Labour can be made accountable for being a useless opposition. Captain Hindsight cannot be accountable for things that he did when he did nothing . He might be accountable for being a useless opposition leader . Starmer will become the next PM because the Tories gave it to him. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 27, 2024 21:48:35 GMT
Red the asylum increase did not happen in 2016. This is the problem with you lefties, you are incapable of differentiating between asylum and illegal immigration. You hide behind antiquated legislation that was designed to protect millions of displaced people in 1940's/50's war torn Europe. Yet today, 75 years later that same legislation is being used to stop the government deporting criminals, and make no mistake, people who cross the channel are criminals. France is not at war. Wake up. |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 27, 2024 21:56:53 GMT
Or maybe those who have been in charge will be held accountable for their record? That's how it should be. Of course the Tories will be held accountable for what they did . You cannot be accountable for doing nothing of significance but Labour can be made accountable for being a useless opposition. Captain Hindsight cannot be accountable for things that he did when he did nothing . He might be accountable for being a useless opposition leader . Starmer will become the next PM because the Tories gave it to him. Well according to James Cleverley's interviews on Sunday, Labour stopped them from enacting all their legislation. Quite amazing considering the government started with a majority of 80 and finished with a majority of 40. Couldn't have been that ineffective an opposition... |
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Post by Bentley on May 27, 2024 22:03:53 GMT
Of course the Tories will be held accountable for what they did . You cannot be accountable for doing nothing of significance but Labour can be made accountable for being a useless opposition. Captain Hindsight cannot be accountable for things that he did when he did nothing . He might be accountable for being a useless opposition leader . Starmer will become the next PM because the Tories gave it to him. Well according to James Cleverley's interviews on Sunday, Labour stopped them from enacting all their legislation. Quite amazing considering the government started with a majority of 80 and finished with a majority of 40. Couldn't have been that ineffective an opposition... I’ll take you word for this and accept that this is true ..so.. Its one thing to claim that the government was stymied by a bias civil service and another thing to claim that the Parliamentary Labour Party did it . Groan….. |
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