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Post by Steve on Nov 28, 2022 15:53:56 GMT
Support for maintaining economic sanctions on Russia( YouGov-Cambridge poll 24 August to 22 September) UK 73% Denmark 72% Sweden 71% Spain 69% Australia 68% Saudi Arabia 35% Turkey 35% Egypt 34% Hungary 32% Indonesia 25%
Willingness to maintain sanctions if they cause a small or large increase in living costs
UK 63% & 49% respectively. Support for sending light and heavy weapons for Ukraine to use against Russian forces inside Ukraine
UK 62% & 57% respectively.
If anyone tried to convince you that brainwashing does not work/not present in the UK, well here's the proof that we live amongst the UK's economic equivalent of suicide bombers.
No it shows that Brits in the main aren't as shallow and self serving as you'd like us to be |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 28, 2022 16:04:00 GMT
Well, with the notable exception of Russia, and only slightly worse than Germany, who are paying their cold-turkey fee for having been dependent on RuZZian gas for so long. But otherwise - Brexit is really paying off well, isn't it?
Nothing to do with Brexit at all Mfeldt. If you want to look at the real issues, Covid hit us extremely badly economically, government mismanagement made matters worse, the war has hit us badly (Ukraine is a big food supplier) and due to the EU policy of coal divestment (enacted before the 2016 referendum, we've now got a shortage of power stations and energy prices have soared. We still have access to electricity supplies from the EU via the channel cable but, all of the EU now has varying degrees of undersupply. There's the farce of Drax, highlighted by the BBC the other month where forests are chopped down in the USA, turned into wood pellets and burned here, shipped across on bunker oil powered freighters and yet that's somehow "renewable". Our taxes are unhelpfully steep towards the poorest. We need to be cutting VAT down to the lowest level since the 1980's. We need to look again at the way agricultural subsidies are issued and also the cut supermarkets take, farmers deserve a better share. We've a free trade agreement with the EU provisionally in place. There are no tariffs. Get over our democratic decision to leave. We wouldn't qualify for membership right now anyway our deficit is too high and even if it wasn't, we don't want the Euro. We don't want free movement. We don't want the Common Agricultural Policy or the Common Fisheries Policy. We voted democratically to LEAVE. Accept it and pick your battles better. |
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Post by sword on Nov 28, 2022 17:03:09 GMT
Support for maintaining economic sanctions on Russia( YouGov-Cambridge poll 24 August to 22 September) UK 73% Denmark 72% Sweden 71% Spain 69% Australia 68% Saudi Arabia 35% Turkey 35% Egypt 34% Hungary 32% Indonesia 25%
Willingness to maintain sanctions if they cause a small or large increase in living costs
UK 63% & 49% respectively.
Support for sending light and heavy weapons for Ukraine to use against Russian forces inside Ukraine
UK 62% & 57% respectively.
If anyone tried to convince you that brainwashing does not work/not present in the UK, well here's the proof that we live amongst the UK's economic equivalent of suicide bombers.
Indeed,there is a difference from what the pathetic leaders of those vassals want and the people,we have already seen that on the streets and it will get worse,Britain is the most cowardly making their own people suffer before they will tell the US to do one. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 28, 2022 17:12:51 GMT
We have our own fuel, we don't need Putin's gas.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 28, 2022 17:56:38 GMT
Our record slump due to shutting down the economy for the Chinese Flu you mean.. But just think - without Brexit none of that would have ever happened....  In fact, almost everyone shut down their economies. Our record slump compared to others must have an additional factor, and Brexit is likely to be it. Can you explain how added tariff barriers, reams of extra red tape at our borders and much worse delays between ourselves and our nearest and largest foreign market has supposedly not hindered trade? Because it is logically obvious that it will have done, as logically obvious as getting warmer when the sun comes out. If you deny that you are in simple denial. I'm not denying anything - but the amount of trade friction that Brexit has imposed is trivial in the greater scheme of things. This remainer idea of British exceptionalism is all very patriotic - but the fact is that had we been in the EU we would have suffered exactly the same downturn as we saw during the pandemic. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 28, 2022 18:01:43 GMT
Our record slump due to shutting down the economy for the Chinese Flu you mean.. But just think - without Brexit none of that would have ever happened.... Yes, of course if you close the economy the economy shrinks. The point that I'm making is that our economy shrank more than others who also closed their economies. So much so that the "record growth" last year didn't bring us back to where we were. Of course that isn't conclusive proof that this is due to Brexit, but I can't think of a better theory. Can you? OK - compare the UK to Germany. Yes our GDP fell further but that is function of us measuring chnages in GDP differently from Germany with the result that our falls and rises are more pronounced. Look at the long term graph - once you remove the volatility of the pandemic closures growth rates are almost the same - where is this massive Brexit effect on the economy you say is there?  |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 28, 2022 18:05:33 GMT
Support for maintaining economic sanctions on Russia( YouGov-Cambridge poll 24 August to 22 September) UK 73% Denmark 72% Sweden 71% Spain 69% Australia 68% Saudi Arabia 35% Turkey 35% Egypt 34% Hungary 32% Indonesia 25%
Willingness to maintain sanctions if they cause a small or large increase in living costs
UK 63% & 49% respectively.
Support for sending light and heavy weapons for Ukraine to use against Russian forces inside Ukraine
UK 62% & 57% respectively.
If anyone tried to convince you that brainwashing does not work/not present in the UK, well here's the proof that we live amongst the UK's economic equivalent of suicide bombers.
Indeed,there is a difference from what the pathetic leaders of those vassals want and the people,we have already seen that on the streets and it will get worse,Britain is the most cowardly making their own people suffer before they will tell the US to do one. So far in Europe, the Netherlands, France, Germany and Italy have all told the US to do one. This is a recent thing and it is not being reported on Western News. For example France is threatening to take the US to the WTO for unfair trading practices. They are defying the US chip ban which is a massive thing going on and again unreported. The stakes are huge in terms of who makes what out of it. Major US chip firms are suffering huge reductions in revenue and the EU firms want to trade with China.
The UK is so dumb sticking by the US because if it actually cooperated with the BRICs it would find a lot of industry investment targetted here rather than the US because there is a trend in divesting from the US due to the unreliability caused by sanctions. Furthermore China is looking to create a new BRICs reserve currency and it wants to use the City of London to trade it, which is again big money for the City and would make London even more powerful than New York.HSBC is the bank that would play a central role in it - a bank half in China and half out of it. Indeed there are only really two powers at work here and a lot of very smart people think the dollar is going to crash and burn. We do not want to be invested in it when it does. The Middle East is on the side of the BRICs, and like for a currency to be worth anything it has to be backed by oil. If we stick with the US we will go down with it.
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Post by Steve on Nov 28, 2022 20:48:27 GMT
We have our own fuel, we don't need Putin's gas. We don't have enough of our own fuel |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 21, 2022 18:13:53 GMT
Well at least someone was doing their bit this lunchtime and trying to save the economy - and a £600 tip for Igor will help him out this Christmas. good lads..   |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 21, 2022 18:43:02 GMT
I shouldn't worry: If you think it's bad now just wait until Labour get in.
If they get in, that will be the time to judge. Insinuating that things will get worse is just political bias.Conscious or subconscious, please clarify. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 21, 2022 18:45:21 GMT
You aught to install ad blocker for those annoying images, and especially gifs. Just right-click the image and press block and it is gone. Good one but it means that I've had to re-enable Ad Blocking for this site which means if we all do that we're free loading off Pro Boards and that's less than the moral high ground and sooner or later Pro Boards will counter ad blocking. It would be better if such avatars were clearly against the rules here (as they were on the old site) See rules thread for a discussion of this ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/23129/thread I thought they were. |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 22, 2022 22:51:10 GMT
We have our own fuel, we don't need Putin's gas. Oh so THAT is why energy bills are multiplying like Mayflies and businesses are going out of business. Consider the millions of gas boilers across the nation. Where do you think that comes from? |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 22, 2022 22:53:06 GMT
We have our own fuel, we don't need Putin's gas. Oh so THAT is why energy bills are multiplying like Mayflies and businesses are going out of business. Consider the millions of gas boilers across the nation. Where do you think that comes from? Norway, Qatar and America because the clowns in Westminster refuse to use our own gas. Perhaps they are saving it for a rainy day?. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 22, 2022 22:55:36 GMT
We have our own fuel, we don't need Putin's gas. Oh so THAT is why energy bills are multiplying like Mayflies and businesses are going out of business. Consider the millions of gas boilers across the nation. Where do you think that comes from? Mayflies have a very short lifespan. Perhaps you can tell us why, before this nonsense started, diesel was 5-6p/ltr dearer than petrol and is now as much as 25p dearer in places. |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 22, 2022 23:01:02 GMT
Oh so THAT is why energy bills are multiplying like Mayflies and businesses are going out of business. Consider the millions of gas boilers across the nation. Where do you think that comes from? Norway, Qatar and America because the clowns in Westminster refuse to use our own gas. Perhaps they are saving it for a rainy day?. Either that of the government is selling it for a profit in the global markets while supply is low. Or the gas has run out, as announced some years ago. North Sea gas is almost depleted. How long will UK gas reserves last? The United Kingdom has proven reserves equivalent to 2.6 times its annual consumption. This means it has about 3 years of gas left (at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves). www.worldometers.info › gas United Kingdom Natural Gas - Worldometer |
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