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Post by andrewbrown on May 19, 2024 14:39:50 GMT
Is that how you see being outvoted in a democracy? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz For Christ's sake read the ****ing article. It had nothing to do with voting. Wilders was told "You can join our gang and these are the conditions". That is because he is a minority. He doesn't always get his way unless more agree with him. I can't think of anything more democratic. |
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Post by ProVeritas on May 19, 2024 15:53:22 GMT
You are aware I hope that Bangladesh is NOT the same country as Pakistan. So while the link you provide shows that there were significant and illegal irregularities surrounding Rahman's 2014 overturned electoral win, there is no evidence that the exact same practises were used in Pakistan, nor that is is any causal or ideological link between the actual crimes in Tower Hamlets and the, only alleged so far, crimes in Pakistan. Of course the real fly in the ointment for your argument is that Rahman's 2014 win being overturned shows very much that our Democracy is functional, thereby utterly destroying your own argument. All The Best I don't recall claiming they were. The rest of your post says nothing except that he got caught. I fail to see how that destroys my argument, but then again you do post a lot of shit on here. Your argument was: X is happening in Pakistan. Rahman did X in 2014 and got elected. Ergo our Democracy is as dysfunctional as Pakistan's Democracy. However: You didn't define X, or offer any evidence as to what X is. So there is no way to link X and whatever it was that Rahman engaged in. Furthermore, Rahman is of Bangladeshi heritage, so what is allegedly happening in Pakistan likely has no bearing whatsoever on what Rahman did. Finally, Rahman's malfeasance was discovered and he was removed from office, and barred from holding such office for 5 years. You have show NO LINK AT ALL between your opening gambit - that Pakistani Democracy is undermined by corruption - and what happened in Rahman's case. Rahman's case was discovered, he was punished, and the vote re-run, so you have also shown NO EVIDENCE AT ALL that our Democracy is as corrupt as you allege Pakistan's Democracy is. In fact you showed the EXACT OPPOSITE. It wasn't my post that said nothing; your post said both X and ~X, and so it failed before I even commented. However, you were (and are) apparently incapable of seeing that. All The Best |
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Post by wapentake on May 19, 2024 18:03:38 GMT
It doesn’t matter whether Wilders is left right or centre,what those in charge in Brussels and in fact this country struggle to understand is that an increasing number of people have had enough of the rubber boats the criminals, the hotels full of immigrants whilst our homeless or those booted out under no fault evictions struggle to find somewhere to live the nhs and other services are overwhelmed.
If really extremist people come to the fore don’t blame the people and if democracy such as it is starts to fail and as things stand it well might you can lay it fairly squarely at the door of those with power who dithered like rabbits in the headlights with a thought process that ignores the reality of what’s going down.
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Post by om15 on May 19, 2024 18:11:52 GMT
The UK doesn't have "modesty rules", and if they did it is unlikely that it would occur to anybody to send them to Afghanistan for infringement of these non existent rules.
If that rubbish is the best that you can offer to convince us to remain in the ECHR I suspect you may have wasted your post.
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Post by Bentley on May 19, 2024 20:10:22 GMT
“ Because of the ECHR no gay man can be extradited to Uganda for a crime ”
So no matter how heinous a crime and no matter how much contempt an Ugandan has for the UK , if they want to stay in the UK ..all they have to do is claim to be homosexual
Only the most deluded lefties could think that can be used as a positive .
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Post by sandypine on May 19, 2024 21:14:16 GMT
For the benefit of any poster who may not understand, the ECHR ( European Convention of Human Rights ) has little to do with the European Union, but is a convention of The European Council, separate to the EU. Whenever you actually get down to the "nitty gritty" or the "bottom line" with any of the paragraphs of the Convention, it all makes good sense, and was carefully thought out to provide water tight protections to our rights. The criteria for what is, and what is not a "Safe Country" when it comes Justice, imprisonment and fair treatment all makes perfectly good sense. In the past we have not been able to send Islamist terror suspects to Saudi Arabia, because the ECHR stipulates that a criminal suspect could be tortured in Saudi Arabia, and to me it makes good sense, not only for Islamist terror suspects, but it could one day be a British man suspected of consuming alcohol, or of a female not covering herself up. Because of the ECHR, we would not be able to do what the Americans did ... lock suspects up without trial indefinately as in Guantanamo Bay, and rightly so. Because of the ECHR, we are all protected, none of us can be deported or extradited to North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia or anywhere deemed to have a dodgy justice system, or where people can be tortured. Because of the ECHR a woman cannot be sent to Afghanistan or Iran for breaking so called "modesty rules" Because of the ECHR no gay man can be extradited to Uganda for a crime The ECHR is the worlds Benchmark, and thankfully there is little or no prospect of the UK opting out of the ECHR, of which we were instrumental in setting up in the first place. As the French would say "Liberty - Equality - Fraternity" To all those of a certain political persuasion who, because the ECHR has European as the first word, go into apoplectic fits of faux outrage just point out that their oft revered hero, Winston Churchill, was instrumental in creating, crafting, and implementing the ECHR. Caught on the horns of that dilemma we can hope, against hope, that it might shock them into some semblance of reasoned thinking... ...kind of like a defibrillator shocks the heart back into a proper rhythm. All The Best It was created as a protection against Nazism arising like a Phoenix from the ashes of Europe. It has become the new Nazi by seconding everything to human rights, yet it is not a government's duty to provide human rights it is a government's duty not to deny ANY individual his human rights here in the UK. There is no obligation to provide them anywhere else that is up to other individual signatories and most countries signed the UN charter. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2024 21:19:16 GMT
“ Because of the ECHR no gay man can be extradited to Uganda for a crime ” So no matter how heinous a crime and no matter how much contempt an Ugandan has for the UK , if they want to stay in the UK ..all they have to do is claim to be homosexual Only the most deluded lefties could think that can be used as a positive . They will choose to believe anything so long as it's detrimental to the rest of us. |
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Post by Totheleft on May 21, 2024 5:53:25 GMT
Depends on the democracy. Pakistan's democracy is so corrupt and widespread that it just isn't functional. This model has been used in areas of London.
You are aware I hope that Bangladesh is NOT the same country as Pakistan. So while the link you provide shows that there were significant and illegal irregularities surrounding Rahman's 2014 overturned electoral win, there is no evidence that the exact same practises were used in Pakistan, nor that is is any causal or ideological link between the actual crimes in Tower Hamlets and the, only alleged so far, crimes in Pakistan. Of course the real fly in the ointment for your argument is that Rahman's 2014 win being overturned shows very much that our Democracy is functional, thereby utterly destroying your own argument. All The Best Excellent post pro v |
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Post by Totheleft on May 21, 2024 6:01:43 GMT
It doesn’t matter whether Wilders is left right or centre,what those in charge in Brussels and in fact this country struggle to understand is that an increasing number of people have had enough of the rubber boats the criminals, the hotels full of immigrants whilst our homeless or those booted out under no fault evictions struggle to find somewhere to live the nhs and other services are overwhelmed. If really extremist people come to the fore don’t blame the people and if democracy such as it is starts to fail and as things stand it well might you can lay it fairly squarely at the door of those with power who dithered like rabbits in the headlights with a thought process that ignores the reality of what’s going down. Oh my it was immigrants taking up the homes and making our citizens homeless. Now it's the few thousands Asylum seekers. You can't make it up lol Dose people know why people are made homeless? |
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Post by Pacifico on May 21, 2024 6:37:49 GMT
90% of the housing shortage is caused by immigration.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 21, 2024 7:29:48 GMT
90% of the housing shortage is caused by immigration. The housing shortage is caused by land-banking and the lack of Rent Controls. There are 700,000 empty homes in the UK, but only approximately 300,000 homeless. Even you can do that math. All The Best |
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Post by buccaneer on May 21, 2024 8:22:58 GMT
90% of the housing shortage is caused by immigration. The housing shortage is caused by land-banking and the lack of Rent Controls. There are 700,000 empty homes in the UK, but only approximately 300,000 homeless. Even you can do that math. All The Best Actually, 248,149 homes were considered long term empty after a period of six months. From the total of 676,304 in 2022. So, your Maths don't quite add up to a problem so easily solved. More social housing is needed. But it shouldn't be asylum seekers and illegals getting first dibs on these houses, it should be British families who have been on waiting lists for years waiting to upsize in dwelling due to their current living arrangements and/or family size. |
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Post by wapentake on May 21, 2024 8:38:28 GMT
It doesn’t matter whether Wilders is left right or centre,what those in charge in Brussels and in fact this country struggle to understand is that an increasing number of people have had enough of the rubber boats the criminals, the hotels full of immigrants whilst our homeless or those booted out under no fault evictions struggle to find somewhere to live the nhs and other services are overwhelmed. If really extremist people come to the fore don’t blame the people and if democracy such as it is starts to fail and as things stand it well might you can lay it fairly squarely at the door of those with power who dithered like rabbits in the headlights with a thought process that ignores the reality of what’s going down. Oh my it was immigrants taking up the homes and making our citizens homeless. Now it's the few thousands Asylum seekers. You can't make it up lol Dose people know why people are made homeless?Yes I do,drugs,mental health issues,no fault evictions. The point I was making is why are asylum seekers put up in hotels when our own are left on the street? Whatever the case there is an affordable housing shortage and people making demands who have just rocked up here is not on. If you don’t think there is a worldwide movement of people problem TTL then you are blind,it’s only going to get worse. Even your man Steamer has got that though he’s electioneering and like the rest in Westminster will talk endless crap and do nothing, Wilders is nothing compared to what could happen in the west if they don’t get their act together,hard decisions are going to have to be made the international asylum laws are crap and yeah the climate is changing (it always has) but the same fanatics who would see us without the means to live in the society as we are will see millions trying to get here for what they think we have. |
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Post by ProVeritas on May 21, 2024 9:24:56 GMT
The housing shortage is caused by land-banking and the lack of Rent Controls. There are 700,000 empty homes in the UK, but only approximately 300,000 homeless. Even you can do that math. All The Best Actually, 248,149 homes were considered long term empty after a period of six months. From the total of 676,304 in 2022. So, your Maths don't quite add up to a problem so easily solved. More social housing is needed. But it shouldn't be asylum seekers and illegals getting first dibs on these houses, it should be British families who have been on waiting lists for years waiting to upsize in dwelling due to their current living arrangements and/or family size. Well, actually, digging deeper and looking at Local Government Association (LGAs are responsible for recording empty homes, and where appropriate applying the "empty homes premium)figures, it is actually 1 Million empty homes: SourceThere's only two reason to have so many homes set empty: 1) To artificially inflate the value of the homes actually on the market. 2) To drive the continuous false narrative that we need more "new build". All The Best |
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Post by buccaneer on May 21, 2024 9:37:59 GMT
Actually, 248,149 homes were considered long term empty after a period of six months. From the total of 676,304 in 2022. So, your Maths don't quite add up to a problem so easily solved. More social housing is needed. But it shouldn't be asylum seekers and illegals getting first dibs on these houses, it should be British families who have been on waiting lists for years waiting to upsize in dwelling due to their current living arrangements and/or family size. Well, actually, digging deeper and looking at Local Government Association (LGAs are responsible for recording empty homes, and where appropriate applying the "empty homes premium)figures, it is actually 1 Million empty homes: SourceThere's only two reason to have so many homes set empty: 1) To artificially inflate the value of the homes actually on the market. 2) To drive the continuous false narrative that we need more "new build". All The Best Do you have any evidence to this theory that of the 30 million houses in the UK, one million of them are purposefully kept empty to "artificially inflate the value" of 30 millions houses? Also, if the population grows (which it has and continues to do so) how can it be a false narrative that new builds are needed to house an ever growing population? Your Maths doesn't add up. These are pretty wild claims. |
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