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Post by Dubdrifter on Jun 4, 2024 20:32:16 GMT
So going back to basics … from a Link within Vinny’s piece … let’s think aloud for a bit about something that is not discussed much … How much does the water/hail in a cloud actually weigh? … and what holds it all aloft? It sounds obvious science … but let’s run thru it … The calculation here is for a raincloud … a moisture accumulator … “A cumulus cloud of around 1 cubic kilometer can hold around 1.1million pounds of water.” - I’m guessing a hail cloud is a denser accumulation of water … being frozen in layers getting larger and larger as the System builds … the particles are denser … I would guess the ionisation attractions and lightening would generate heavier than average clouds. Check this: www.usgs.gov/special-topics/water-science-school/science/how-much-does-a-cloud-weighWhat is slightly puzzling about this density explanation … for heavy rain/hail clouds at least …. we are taught that the spaces between gas molecules is not as dense as between liquid molecules which is less dense than solids (with no air trapped in a honeycomb effect like wood floating on water/inflatables) … so logic would say that the denser/heavier elements would sink to the bottom of any Earth gravity environment equation.. No? … so why do cloud dynamics flip logic on it’s head?? … When you add water or a handful of hail to a beaker of air … it’s density relationship in Earth’s gravity takes it to the bottom of the beaker … not floating at the top like a cloud scenario … Likewise the hail sinks below the air … and ice we know only floats in water because of a honeycomb of air trapped in its structure, it’s density in relation to the water. So … with density theory … maybe there is more at play here in the clouds? …. Could religion, science and leaders have led us down the path of Monty Python?? 🤔😂 Logic shows mercury, a liquid metal sinks in a beaker of air and water because it’s density is greater than water and air. Likewise thick soupy brine water in a fresh water scenario … ends up on the bottom in Earth’s gravity … the denser material below. But not with clouds, rain and hail … this breaks all the rules … the relatively weak gravity of Earth still makes the air very heavy … we are told it would weigh 14.5lbs per square inch … in a pure vacuum of Space. Tbh … Space isn’t a perfect vacuum … Dark Matter/the mystery ‘Force of Gravity’ might be messing with us … what is it that reverses the density principle and makes liquid water and big lumps of hail mysteriously levitate … making air DENSER than both these materials in our gravity?? … the power of barometric pressure eh? … holding tons of water and ice aloft … but does it have some help?? Ionisation anti-gravity is a Theory worth considering … because if you throw particles of ice in the air … they normally fall to the ground … no density confusion there! It’s a conundrum that some might find interesting. As soon as ice forms at altitude (thinner air)… unless held up by considerable convection updrafts(which occurs consistently in tornado systems) it should tumble rapidly to Earth. Updrafts are sporadic in storm clouds… an electrostatic swirling cocktail of up and down ionisation particles mixed in a convection (similar to the anti-gravity alien reproduction vehicle we see in the last important video I dropped … check out how that works. Meanwhile turbulence and ice bombards and violently shakes Earth-designed aircraft … but alien UFO’s seem to love the energy-rich ionisation layers of storm clouds … and are generally unaffected by turbulence - even when measured going 33,000 mph on radar screens. The USAF is known to fire beam weapons that affect the cocoon of UFO ionisation fields … which can make these objects crash … according to some witness reports … check the Disclosure Archive. … and please make a voluntary donation to support OPEN SCIENCE DISCOVERY.👍 |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 4, 2024 20:34:28 GMT
So going back to basics … from a Link within Vinny’s piece … let’s think aloud for a bit about something that is not discussed much … How much does the water/hail in a cloud actually weigh? … and what holds it all aloft? It sounds obvious science … but let’s run thru it … The calculation here is for a raincloud … a moisture accumulator … I’m guessing a hail cloud even though it was denser would still likely weigh the same … no? Check this: www.usgs.gov/special-topics/water-science-school/science/how-much-does-a-cloud-weighWhat is slightly puzzling about this density explanation … for heavy rain/hail clouds at least …. we are taught that the spaces between gas molecules is not as dense as between liquid molecules which is less dense than solids (with no air trapped in a honeycomb effect like wood floating on water/inflatables) … so logic would say that the denser/heavier elements would sink to the bottom of any Earth gravity environment equation.. No? … so why do cloud dynamics flip logic on it’s head?? … When you add water or a handful of hail to a beaker of air … it’s density relationship in Earth’s gravity takes it to the bottom of the beaker … not floating at the top like a cloud scenario … Likewise the hail sinks below the air … and ice we know only floats in water because of a honeycomb of air trapped in its structure, it’s density in relation to the water. So … with density theory … maybe there is more at play here in the clouds? … and religion, science and leaders have led us down the path of Monty Python?? 🤔😂 Logic shows mercury, a liquid metal sinks in a beaker of air and water because it’s density is greater than water and air. Likewise thick soupy brine water in a fresh water scenario … ends up on the bottom in Earth’s gravity … the denser material below. But not with clouds, rain and hail … this breaks all the rules … the relatively weak gravity of Earth still makes the air very heavy … we are told it would weigh 14.5lbs per square inch … in a pure vacuum of Space … if it was just a vacuum … but it isn’t … it’s mostly Dark Matter/the mystery ‘Force of Gravity’ … what is it that reverses the density principle and makes liquid water and big lumps of hail mysteriously levitate … making air DENSER than both these materials in our gravity?? … the power of barometric pressure eh? … holding tons of water and ice aloft … but does it have some help?? Ionisation anti-gravity … because if you throw particles of ice in the air … it normally falls to the ground … no density confusion there! It’s a conundrum that is very interesting. As soon as ice forms … according to density theory in our upper atmosphere … unless held up by considerable convection updrafts(which occurs consistently in tornado systems) it should tumble to Earth … updrafts are sporadic in storm clouds… an electrostatic swirling cocktail of up and down ionisation particles mixed in a convection (similar to the anti-gravity alien reproduction vehicle we see in the last important video I dropped … check it out how that works (allegedly) . Meanwhile turbulence and ice bombards and violently shakes Earth-designed aircraft … but alien UFO’s seem to love the energy-rich ionisation layers of storm clouds … and are generally unaffected by turbulence - even when measured going 33,000 mph on radar screens. The USAF is known to fire beam weapons that affect the cocoon of UFO ionisation fields … which can make these objects crash … according to some witness reports … check the Disclosure Archive. … and please make a voluntary donation to support OPEN SCIENCE DISCOVERY. Fucking cloud-cuckoo land. Hang on, it must be Anti-Gravity that keeps Cloud-Cuckoo Land up there in the clouds, right? All The Best |
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Post by Orac on Jun 4, 2024 20:50:43 GMT
So going back to basics … from a Link within Vinny’s piece … let’s think aloud for a bit about something that is not discussed much … How much does the water/hail in a cloud actually weigh? … and what holds it all aloft? It sounds obvious science … but let’s run thru it … The calculation here is for a raincloud … a moisture accumulator … I’m guessing a hail cloud even though it was denser would still likely weigh the same … no? Check this: www.usgs.gov/special-topics/water-science-school/science/how-much-does-a-cloud-weighWhat is slightly puzzling about this density explanation … for heavy rain/hail clouds at least …. we are taught that the spaces between gas molecules is not as dense as between liquid molecules which is less dense than solids (with no air trapped in a honeycomb effect like wood floating on water/inflatables) … so logic would say that the denser/heavier elements would sink to the bottom of any Earth gravity environment equation.. No? … so why do cloud dynamics flip logic on it’s head?? … When you add water or a handful of hail to a beaker of air … it’s density relationship in Earth’s gravity takes it to the bottom of the beaker … not floating at the top like a cloud scenario … Likewise the hail sinks below the air … and ice we know only floats in water because of a honeycomb of air trapped in its structure, it’s density in relation to the water. So … with density theory … maybe there is more at play here in the clouds? … and religion, science and leaders have led us down the path of Monty Python?? 🤔😂 Logic shows mercury, a liquid metal sinks in a beaker of air and water because it’s density is greater than water and air. Likewise thick soupy brine water in a fresh water scenario … ends up on the bottom in Earth’s gravity … the denser material below. But not with clouds, rain and hail … this breaks all the rules … the relatively weak gravity of Earth still makes the air very heavy … we are told it would weigh 14.5lbs per square inch … in a pure vacuum of Space … if it was just a vacuum … but it isn’t … it’s mostly Dark Matter/the mystery ‘Force of Gravity’ … what is it that reverses the density principle and makes liquid water and big lumps of hail mysteriously levitate … making air DENSER than both these materials in our gravity?? … the power of barometric pressure eh? … holding tons of water and ice aloft … but does it have some help?? Ionisation anti-gravity … because if you throw particles of ice in the air … it normally falls to the ground … no density confusion there! It’s a conundrum that is very interesting. As soon as ice forms … according to density theory in our upper atmosphere … unless held up by considerable convection updrafts(which occurs consistently in tornado systems) it should tumble to Earth … updrafts are sporadic in storm clouds… an electrostatic swirling cocktail of up and down ionisation particles mixed in a convection (similar to the anti-gravity alien reproduction vehicle we see in the last important video I dropped … check it out how that works (allegedly) . Meanwhile turbulence and ice bombards and violently shakes Earth-designed aircraft … but alien UFO’s seem to love the energy-rich ionisation layers of storm clouds … and are generally unaffected by turbulence - even when measured going 33,000 mph on radar screens. The USAF is known to fire beam weapons that affect the cocoon of UFO ionisation fields … which can make these objects crash … according to some witness reports … check the Disclosure Archive. … and please make a voluntary donation to support OPEN SCIENCE DISCOVERY. what is your theory of fog? |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 4, 2024 20:53:58 GMT
So going back to basics … from a Link within Vinny’s piece … let’s think aloud for a bit about something that is not discussed much … How much does the water/hail in a cloud actually weigh? … and what holds it all aloft? It sounds obvious science … but let’s run thru it … The calculation here is for a raincloud … a moisture accumulator … I’m guessing a hail cloud even though it was denser would still likely weigh the same … no? Check this: www.usgs.gov/special-topics/water-science-school/science/how-much-does-a-cloud-weighWhat is slightly puzzling about this density explanation … for heavy rain/hail clouds at least …. we are taught that the spaces between gas molecules is not as dense as between liquid molecules which is less dense than solids (with no air trapped in a honeycomb effect like wood floating on water/inflatables) … so logic would say that the denser/heavier elements would sink to the bottom of any Earth gravity environment equation.. No? … so why do cloud dynamics flip logic on it’s head?? … When you add water or a handful of hail to a beaker of air … it’s density relationship in Earth’s gravity takes it to the bottom of the beaker … not floating at the top like a cloud scenario … Likewise the hail sinks below the air … and ice we know only floats in water because of a honeycomb of air trapped in its structure, it’s density in relation to the water. So … with density theory … maybe there is more at play here in the clouds? … and religion, science and leaders have led us down the path of Monty Python?? 🤔😂 Logic shows mercury, a liquid metal sinks in a beaker of air and water because it’s density is greater than water and air. Likewise thick soupy brine water in a fresh water scenario … ends up on the bottom in Earth’s gravity … the denser material below. But not with clouds, rain and hail … this breaks all the rules … the relatively weak gravity of Earth still makes the air very heavy … we are told it would weigh 14.5lbs per square inch … in a pure vacuum of Space … if it was just a vacuum … but it isn’t … it’s mostly Dark Matter/the mystery ‘Force of Gravity’ … what is it that reverses the density principle and makes liquid water and big lumps of hail mysteriously levitate … making air DENSER than both these materials in our gravity?? … the power of barometric pressure eh? … holding tons of water and ice aloft … but does it have some help?? Ionisation anti-gravity … because if you throw particles of ice in the air … it normally falls to the ground … no density confusion there! It’s a conundrum that is very interesting. As soon as ice forms … according to density theory in our upper atmosphere … unless held up by considerable convection updrafts(which occurs consistently in tornado systems) it should tumble to Earth … updrafts are sporadic in storm clouds… an electrostatic swirling cocktail of up and down ionisation particles mixed in a convection (similar to the anti-gravity alien reproduction vehicle we see in the last important video I dropped … check it out how that works (allegedly) . Meanwhile turbulence and ice bombards and violently shakes Earth-designed aircraft … but alien UFO’s seem to love the energy-rich ionisation layers of storm clouds … and are generally unaffected by turbulence - even when measured going 33,000 mph on radar screens. The USAF is known to fire beam weapons that affect the cocoon of UFO ionisation fields … which can make these objects crash … according to some witness reports … check the Disclosure Archive. … and please make a voluntary donation to support OPEN SCIENCE DISCOVERY. It is the exhaust fumes of invisible UFOs that has limited anti-grav abilities, that is how it floats, rather than sinks to the earth. /sarcasm All The Best |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jun 4, 2024 21:00:49 GMT
Fucking cloud-cuckoo land. Hang on, it must be Anti-Gravity that keeps Cloud-Cuckoo Land up there in the clouds, right? All The Best So, Einstein … care to share why the density equation is flipped on it’s head in this cloudy Official explanation? 1-2Ib lumps of ice kept aloft for hours?? I know you can blow hot air and cold opinion on here for hours … but Nature isn’t quite as talented to come up with a one way updraft … the time it takes for these storm systems to evolve. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 4, 2024 21:04:24 GMT
Fucking cloud-cuckoo land. Hang on, it must be Anti-Gravity that keeps Cloud-Cuckoo Land up there in the clouds, right? All The Best So, Einstein … care to share why the density equation is flipped on it’s head in this cloudy Official explanation? 1-2Ib lumps of ice kept aloft for hours?? I know you can blow hot air and cold opinion on here for hours … but Nature isn’t quite as talented to come up with a one way updraft for hours. … the time it takes for these storm systems to evolve. First: Provide peer-reviewed evidence that the SAME 1lb to 2lb lump of ice stayed aloft for "hours". All The Best |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jun 4, 2024 21:12:00 GMT
what is your theory of fog? Dense cold water-laden air hugging the land trapped below a band of warmer dry air … little convection, ionisation activity minimal … no anti-gravity mechanism at work here. The Theory stands up, I reckon … |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jun 4, 2024 21:23:14 GMT
First: Provide peer-reviewed evidence that the SAME 1lb to 2lb lump of ice stayed aloft for "hours". All The Best Ample evidence has already been provided … see pics of hail conglomerates and cross-sectional striations through most hailstones … especially the heavier stones … they are not 5 minute creations. They have different dust/dirt layering in them … showing they have been on a journey up and down repeatedly … likely in an anti-gravity ionisation field. ++++++++++++ P.S. Tell Jonksy to provide peer-reviewed evidence that the pictures of hail damage I posted earlier were down to wrecking-balls and bird strikes. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 4, 2024 21:25:11 GMT
First: Provide peer-reviewed evidence that the SAME 1lb to 2lb lump of ice stayed aloft for "hours". All The Best Ample evidence has already been provided … So it should be straight forward for you to link to the Peer-Reviewed article that demonstrates that proof... ...right? All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 4, 2024 21:27:06 GMT
First: Provide peer-reviewed evidence that the SAME 1lb to 2lb lump of ice stayed aloft for "hours". All The Best Ample evidence has already been provided … see pics of hail conglomerates and cross-sectional striations through most hailstones … especially the heavier stones … they are not 5 minute creations. They have different dust/dirt layering in them … showing they have been on a journey up and down repeatedly … likely in an anti-gravity ionisation field. ++++++++++++ P.S. Tell Jonksy to provide peer-reviewed evidence that the pictures of hail damage I posted earlier were down to wrecking-balls and bird strikes. Jonsky works in the aviation industry, ergo (despite agreeing with him on almost nothing at all) I see him as "credible" on that subject. I have seen no evidence that your understanding of science is "credible". All The Best |
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Post by Orac on Jun 4, 2024 21:29:22 GMT
what is your theory of fog? Dense cold water-laden air hugging the land trapped below a band of warmer dry air … little convection, ionisation activity minimal … no anti-gravity mechanism at work here. The Theory stands up, I reckon … So can fog be high up in some circumstances? |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 4, 2024 23:01:56 GMT
Other than the Cassimir effect (from memory two plates in a vaccum cylinder which demonstrated an electrical charge) what methods for the harnessing of Zero Point Energy do you know of and what are the equations to demonstrate the electrical output per litre of imperfect vacuum?
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jun 4, 2024 23:59:23 GMT
Here is more evidence of the power of ionisation around cloud systems ... that can be tapped by anti-gravity technologists ... and the reason UFO'S are often seen around erupting volcanoes. youtube.com/shorts/MDGyaimC2Uw?si=a9Zl5jDjsqP9pfVhScientists say this happens because the ash cloud is ionised and has metal/piezo mineral dust in it ... creating clouds of strongly positive and negative charged particles. ... great for recharging the 'batteries' of these incredible craft. Note the bright orb on the left seen briefly after the 4th lightening burst. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 5, 2024 0:26:56 GMT
Fucking cloud-cuckoo land. Hang on, it must be Anti-Gravity that keeps Cloud-Cuckoo Land up there in the clouds, right? All The Best So, Einstein … care to share why the density equation is flipped on it’s head in this cloudy Official explanation? 1-2Ib lumps of ice kept aloft for hours?? I know you can blow hot air and cold opinion on here for hours … but Nature isn’t quite as talented to come up with a one way updraft … the time it takes for these storm systems to evolve. Nature is well known for serving curved balls and defying logic......Cloud-to-ground (CG) lightning primarily originates in the thundercloud and terminates on an Earth surface, but may also occur in the reverse direction, that is ground to cloud. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jun 5, 2024 8:48:04 GMT
Ample evidence has already been provided … So it should be straight forward for you to link to the Peer-Reviewed article that demonstrates that proof... ...right? All The Best What’s with the Looney Left’s obsession that they can’t verify the truth of their perpetually confused World … unless it’s been peer-reviewed by scientists, totalitarian authority and religion?? … I’m not asking for peer-reviewed proof you guys are just here TROLLING … some things are just bleedin’ obvious! There are loads of pics online of cross-sections cut through large hailstones … showing different dust layering and conglomeration proving …they’ve been going up and down storm cloud ‘elevators’ for quite some time. … at least until the ‘current polarity switches’ … and this natural anti-gravity phenomena collapses. Jonsky works in the aviation industry, ergo (despite agreeing with him on almost nothing at all) I see him as "credible" on that subject. I have seen no evidence that your understanding of science is "credible". All The Best If your appointed hail expert - Jonksy has any connection with UK air industry safety … I will be giving up flying in future … from this afternoon onwards. So can fog be high up some circumstances? Fog is mainly defined as ground-hugging in a low convection dynamic …. I’m not a weather expert …look it up yourself …. up high it’s unlikely to be called “fog”. … It’s interesting that we don’t often get much pea-soup ground fog in cities these days. Geo-weathering since WW2 and the chemical cocktail of Chemtrails is probably what drives extreme convection storm systems to generate little fog … but extreme rain and hail. => crop damage, property destruction, flooding and an attack on Humanity … which is normal for stupid Globalists and dumb climate scientists kowtowing to Religion … who consistently try to PLAY GOD … and are not that bright, tbh. Other than the Cassimir effect (from memory two plates in a vaccum cylinder which demonstrated an electrical charge) what methods for the harnessing of Zero Point Energy do you know of and what are the equations to demonstrate the electrical output per litre of imperfect vacuum? This isn’t a sausage factory churning out the secrets how the Universe ticks … it’s just a casual informal discussion throwing ideas around … most will sink without trace … some may make it to P.14 … why are you asking for equations from someone who works on theory through observations? … ask a mathematician who likes working in that language. … I am happy to follow your shift of this discussion towards imperfect vacuums, Zero Point and the Casimir effect => Dark Matter and wormhole travel … now we have established a few pointers on how anti-gravity drives likely work … as detailed in the important Mark McCandlish Fluxliner film I dropped earlier. For those too lazy to do the whole film (and you should catch up NOW … it’s all ‘meat’ and no ‘gristle’ … an interesting documentary made by James Allen - I haven’t been able to confirm if he deceased) … the anti-gravity drive technology/zero point is roughly discussed @ 23min onwards … Around 36min he talks about investigation into mercury turbine/vortex generators …. as described in ancient texts about vimanas. Then @ 40 mins we get into detail how the craft works … and the Amplifier/Capacitor section might be where the Casimir effect is exploited ??… but delivers more energy output. Dr Harold Puthoff @ 56 min really delivers the bombshell, like Tesla did - before his work was suppressed - about unlimited hidden energy in the Universe waiting to be tapped by open-minded people. @ 60 min we see the energy of millions of volts generated creating an envelop around the craft that enables it to traverse Space very rapidly … they say warping space-time … (Personally … I’m not happy with Time being in that explanation … being purely a concept. … maybe something else describes what is happening? Eg multiverse transference?) @ 1hr 3 mins we can see the controversial film (Paris 2008) of the teleport event of the triangular UFO which disappears in a similar way to ball lightening … here is this earliest historic account of ball lightening from London. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightningThe chronicle of Gervase of Canterbury, an English monk, contains what is possibly the earliest known reference to ball lightning, dated 7 June 1195. He states, "A marvellous sign descended near London", consisting of a dense and dark cloud, emitting a white substance that grew into a spherical shape under the cloud, from which a fiery globe fell towards the river.[18]
Physicist Emeritus Professor Brian Tanner and historian Giles Gasper of Durham University identified the chronicle entry as probably describing ball lightning, and noted its similarity to other accounts:
Gervase's description of a white substance coming out of the dark cloud, falling as a spinning fiery sphere and then having some horizontal motion is very similar to historic and contemporary descriptions of ball lightning ... It is fascinating to see how closely Gervase's 12th century description matches modern reports of ball lightning.[18]Naturally today … witnesses state ball lightening phenomena can be linked to the technology explored by wormhole energy transference and extra-terrestrial craft. +++++++++++++++++++ [This from Wikipedia on the weaker side of the Casimir Effect. The typical example is of two uncharged conductive plates in a vacuum, placed a few nanometers apart. In a classical description, the lack of an external field means that no field exists between the plates, and no force connects them.[13] When this field is instead studied using the quantum electrodynamic vacuum, it is seen that the plates do affect the virtual photons that constitute the field, and generate a net force[14] – either an attraction or a repulsion depending on the plates' specific arrangement. Although the Casimir effect can be expressed in terms of virtual particles interacting with the objects, it is best described and more easily calculated in terms of the zero-point energy of a quantized field in the intervening space between the objects. This force has been measured and is a striking example of an effect captured formally by second quantization.[15][16]
The treatment of boundary conditions in these calculations is controversial. In fact, "Casimir's original goal was to compute the van der Waals force between polarizable molecules" of the conductive plates. Thus it can be interpreted without any reference to the zero-point energy (vacuum energy) of quantum fields.[17]
Because the strength of the force falls off rapidly with distance, it is measurable only when the distance between the objects is small. This force becomes so strong that it becomes the dominant force between uncharged conductors at submicron scales. In fact, at separations of 10 nm – about 100 times the typical size of an atom – the Casimir effect produces the equivalent of about 1 atmosphere of pressure (the precise value depends on surface geometry and other factors).] |
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