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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 22, 2024 8:02:47 GMT
No, I am saying they know full well they would be voting to get scammed yet again. Although as usual their little elves will try putting words in my mouth. Their choice surely? Besides I'm sure they see it differently from you. Evidently not. "None of the above" seem to be winning by a country mile at the moment.
See the London Mayoral election or countless recent by-elections where the majority did not vote.
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Post by Red Rackham on May 22, 2024 8:18:48 GMT
Quite, it's a no brainer. Yep. What I always get stuck on is discussing the HOW we do it. How do we maintain increased GDP and compensate for our aging population whilst cutting immigration. How do we pay the ever increasing medical costs of dementia patients and other age related diseases without bringing in ever more workers. No one will discuss the tax rises that would need, or the significant cutting of essential services (Not just rainbow crossings and ethnicity managers) People talk wildly about getting benefits claimants back to work, but that's pie in the sky. Most can't work and no business is going to take on the lazy buggers (who needs that hassle) I'm sure we can do it and I think its what we need to do, but it ain't free. Like many people you cite an aging population as a reason for importing hundreds of thousands of immigrants, but there's a lot going on here that supporters of mass immigration through ignorance or more likely design, never mention. Firstly and most obviously, immigrants get old too. Suggesting we need more immigrants to look after an aging population is advocating a pyramid scheme in which the government must increase the number of immigrants year on year. Secondly, the Health and Care Visa scheme* is massively abused and the Home Office know it. Low skilled immigrants who enter this country on Health and Care visas can bring there families with them, in one case a woman who was granted a Health and Care visa legally entered this country with fifteen people who she claimed were her family, this is not an isolated case. In another case, a care home that had been issued 15,000 Health and Care visas didn't exist. *In 2023 the Home Office issued 350,000 Health and Care visas. This country is changing, and it's changing quickly. We are being intentionally overrun by millions of low skilled immigrants who bring nothing, or at best very little to this country. In as little as fifty years I suspect the UK will have more in common with third world shit tips like Pakistan and Sudan, than a modern thriving first world country. Progressive lefties will call this progress, I most certainly do not.
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Post by Totheleft on May 22, 2024 8:45:32 GMT
Can you also tell me what else peaked in 2008 and notice on your chart how much lower inenquarty was pre 2011. If you are trying (and failing) to make some daft political point then inequality today is lower than when the Tories came to power in 2010. The reality is that it has not changed much since the early 90's and only peaked during the later half of the Blair years when his property price boom took off. no my point is in 2008 we had the world recession. And that it obviously hit the poor harder then the rich.
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Post by Vinny on May 22, 2024 8:58:02 GMT
If you are trying (and failing) to make some daft political point then inequality today is lower than when the Tories came to power in 2010. The reality is that it has not changed much since the early 90's and only peaked during the later half of the Blair years when his property price boom took off. no my point is in 2008 we had the world recession. And that it obviously hit the poor harder then the rich. Prior to 2008 there was unsustainable borrowing, an uncontrolled housing price boom with little construction, and no council house construction, an uncontrolled migration boom coincided with this adding to pressure on the housing market and public services. And Labour MPs used the boom to profit from the housing market at huge cost to the nation. Ask yourself how Blair became a multi millionaire.
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Post by Totheleft on May 22, 2024 9:01:11 GMT
no my point is in 2008 we had the world recession. And that it obviously hit the poor harder then the rich. Prior to 2008 there was unsustainable borrowing, an uncontrolled housing price boom with little construction, and no council house construction, an uncontrolled migration boom coincided with this adding to pressure on the housing market and public services. And Labour MPs used the boom to profit from the housing market at huge cost to the nation. Ask yourself how Blair became a multi millionaire. Oh whatever what on earth has that Got to do with inquaity
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Post by Vinny on May 22, 2024 9:03:00 GMT
Labour fermented inequality last time they were in. For goodness sakes, food banks didn't exist in our country before Blair was PM.
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Post by Totheleft on May 22, 2024 9:04:28 GMT
Labour fermented inequality last time they were in. For goodness sakes, food banks didn't exist in our country before Blair was PM. And look how many exsites now
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Post by Vinny on May 22, 2024 9:06:53 GMT
The need grew all through the Blair years and the Brown years and onwards. Both Labour and the Tories are at fault. Think Labour have changed? You still laud Blair.
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Post by Totheleft on May 22, 2024 9:13:46 GMT
The need grew all through the Blair years and the Brown years and onwards. Both Labour and the Tories are at fault. Think Labour have changed? You still laud Blair. Not has much has now the demand so high the food banks are struggling. Unemployment going up because of Brexit.
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Post by Handyman on May 22, 2024 9:16:23 GMT
Brown was warned about the impending global financial crisis and did nothing, he later claimed he was not warned, when Labour was voted out the Treasury Coffers were empty, that is why we had years of austerity of Public Spending to fill them again, good job they did as Covid arrived, that cost even more, and that bill needs paying , my Grandkids will be paying that Bill
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Post by Totheleft on May 22, 2024 9:25:12 GMT
Brown was warned about the impending global financial crisis and did nothing, he later claimed he was not warned, when Labour was voted out the Treasury Coffers were empty, that is why we had years of austerity of Public Spending to fill them again, good job they did as Covid arrived, that cost even more, and that bill needs paying , my Grandkids will be paying that Bill What austerity has your fellow traveres say . Where you living now hope your Grandchildren benefits from your move with loads of money .
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Post by Vinny on May 22, 2024 9:38:42 GMT
The need grew all through the Blair years and the Brown years and onwards. Both Labour and the Tories are at fault. Think Labour have changed? You still laud Blair. Not has much has now the demand so high the food banks are struggling. Unemployment going up because of Brexit. Unemployment fell because of Brexit. If we'd stayed in the EU, going by pre referendum trade figures, with the overvalued pound, and the pre referendum trend in factory closures, it would be far higher. Pre referendum £223.3 billion exported to the EU in 2015. That would be worth £295.2 billion now instead of the £354.65 billion we exported to it last year. Just imagine how many more unemployed we'd have if we'd stayed in, and had only exported £295.2 billion to it last year? Have you forgotten the end of Ford car and van production here? The end of Peugeot car production here? The demise of many other manufacturers? Things were not great when we were in the EU.
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Post by jonksy on May 22, 2024 9:59:59 GMT
LOL what you mean is Labour will feed them a lot of bullshit. Desperately trying to resume normal service or actually the lack of it. Or there is a lack of credible alternatives. Who's fault is that? Tell me what was your reaction to people who acted with bafflement at people who voted for Brexit and suggested that they had fallen for lies? All remainers should be shot on sight.. There ya go all sorted..
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Post by jonksy on May 22, 2024 10:04:00 GMT
They need to be pitied not sneered at...And as for the tossers who think otherwise they should be sectioned. I don't think pitying them will bring them round to your way of thinking either. Try listening to and respecting them. Respect is earned hh. I havent seen any of the wankers yet who have earned respect.
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Post by Pacifico on May 22, 2024 10:45:15 GMT
If you are trying (and failing) to make some daft political point then inequality today is lower than when the Tories came to power in 2010. The reality is that it has not changed much since the early 90's and only peaked during the later half of the Blair years when his property price boom took off. no my point is in 2008 we had the world recession. And that it obviously hit the poor harder then the rich. Not really - the rich lost massively through the collapse in the stock markets, whereas the poorest in society on welfare saw no change in their income. Income inequality fell during the financial crisis.
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