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Post by johnofgwent on May 5, 2024 7:58:59 GMT
Well there goes HIS MBE etc …
Speaking on the breakfast TV show this morning, being grilled about an hour after Tim Mongomerie declared Sunak Must Go, the man who last week was leader of Basildon Council but whose pronouns today are ‘P’ and ‘45’ has come out and said that what HE has heard endlessly from party members, supporters and voters is that Sunak is considered responsible for engineering the fall from power of the candidate their members voted for - Liz Truss, and that he was instrumental in engineering the market reaction to her policies in order to bring about his accession to power against the wishes of those party members.
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Post by andrewbrown on May 5, 2024 10:38:38 GMT
It's taken Sunak 18 months to achieve the level of polling that Truss achieved in 49 days.
I'm not sure if you saw her recent podcast interview with Robert Peston, but she came across as fully delusional. Yes, she may well have been chosen by Tory members, but the Tory members haven't been representing ordinary people out there.
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Post by Pacifico on May 5, 2024 10:41:05 GMT
It's taken Sunak 18 months to achieve the level of polling that Truss achieved in 49 days. I'm not sure if you saw her recent podcast interview with Robert Peston, but she came across as fully delusional. Yes, she may well have been chosen by Tory members, but the Tory members haven't been representing ordinary people out there. Labour Party members don't represent ordinary people (they overwhelmingly wanted Jeremy Corbyn FFS)- they represent themselves. If ordinary people want to vote for whoever they put up for election that is a decision for them. |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 5, 2024 11:08:13 GMT
It's taken Sunak 18 months to achieve the level of polling that Truss achieved in 49 days. I'm not sure if you saw her recent podcast interview with Robert Peston, but she came across as fully delusional. Yes, she may well have been chosen by Tory members, but the Tory members haven't been representing ordinary people out there. Labour Party members don't represent ordinary people (they overwhelmingly wanted Jeremy Corbyn FFS)- they represent themselves. If ordinary people want to vote for whoever they put up for election that is a decision for them. Totally, and that was rasher my point. As they both achieved the same rating, why do you believe that staying with Truss would have been a better option? |
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Post by Pacifico on May 5, 2024 16:57:32 GMT
Labour Party members don't represent ordinary people (they overwhelmingly wanted Jeremy Corbyn FFS)- they represent themselves. If ordinary people want to vote for whoever they put up for election that is a decision for them. Totally, and that was rasher my point. As they both achieved the same rating, why do you believe that staying with Truss would have been a better option? It would have given Conservative supporters someone to vote for. Tory voters are not switching to Labour or the LibDems - they are simply not taking part as nobody now represents conservative policies. |
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Post by piglet on May 8, 2024 11:06:21 GMT
I did not see the Truss interview. There is a difference between now and the future, i suspect Truss was thinking about the future rather than now, a rare thing, and a rare personality trait. I suspect she is completely right. Sunak was a goldberg sachs employee, money is his aim, Glodman Sachs lie, cheat, manipulate in all ways, like Sunak.
While appearing like good egg.
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Post by ProVeritas on May 8, 2024 12:15:06 GMT
Totally, and that was rasher my point. As they both achieved the same rating, why do you believe that staying with Truss would have been a better option? It would have given Conservative supporters someone to vote for. Tory voters are not switching to Labour or the LibDems - they are simply not taking part as nobody now represents conservative policies. Starmer's Labour does. He as right-wing as Blair was, and Blair was a Thatcher Fan-boi. All The Best |
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Post by bancroft on May 8, 2024 14:51:37 GMT
The Tories cannot survive another party leader election change and in an election year it would cost yet more votes.
Also there is no obvious candidate, even Penny Mordant says she has nothing do with wanting a new leader.
Sunak, has to get his policies right.
He will keep most of the Brexit Tory right as he is pushing Rwanda more than anyone else to date.
The Tory business right (who voted Truss in ) wanted more tax breaks, the economy is picking up that could be on the table.
All the others are making noises, what's new though little on their policies...........
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Post by andrewbrown on May 8, 2024 15:59:16 GMT
The Tories cannot survive another party leader election change and in an election year it would cost yet more votes. Also there is no obvious candidate, even Penny Mordant says she has nothing do with wanting a new leader. Sunak, has to get his policies right. He will keep most of the Brexit Tory right as he is pushing Rwanda more than anyone else to date. The Tory business right (who voted Truss in ) wanted more tax breaks, the economy is picking up that could be on the table. All the others are making noises, what's new though little on their policies........... The two tax cuts made no difference to the polls so far, so it's difficult to say that more of that would help. I think that you're right that they can't change leader again. I'm not sure it would cost votes, as I think the party is currently at rock bottom (i.e. the only people voting tory now are those who would no matter what) but it would deter floating voters looking at the chaos. I've no idea where the Tory party will go next, I think it depends on who retains their seat. |
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Post by ratcliff on May 8, 2024 16:26:31 GMT
The Tories cannot survive another party leader election change and in an election year it would cost yet more votes. Also there is no obvious candidate, even Penny Mordant says she has nothing do with wanting a new leader. Sunak, has to get his policies right. He will keep most of the Brexit Tory right as he is pushing Rwanda more than anyone else to date. The Tory business right (who voted Truss in ) wanted more tax breaks, the economy is picking up that could be on the table. All the others are making noises, what's new though little on their policies........... The two tax cuts made no difference to the polls so far, so it's difficult to say that more of that would help. I think that you're right that they can't change leader again. I'm not sure it would cost votes, as I think the party is currently at rock bottom (i.e. the only people voting tory now are those who would no matter what) but it would deter floating voters looking at the chaos. I've no idea where the Tory party will go next, I think it depends on who retains their seat. Because NI cuts mean little whilst tax thresholds thresholds are frozen |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 8, 2024 16:27:23 GMT
The two tax cuts made no difference to the polls so far, so it's difficult to say that more of that would help. I think that you're right that they can't change leader again. I'm not sure it would cost votes, as I think the party is currently at rock bottom (i.e. the only people voting tory now are those who would no matter what) but it would deter floating voters looking at the chaos. I've no idea where the Tory party will go next, I think it depends on who retains their seat. Because NI cuts mean little whilst tax thresholds thresholds are frozen Agreed. |
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Post by ProVeritas on May 8, 2024 17:03:20 GMT
Because NI cuts mean little whilst tax thresholds thresholds are frozen Agreed. Yup, that NI cut was nothing but a great con. Great way of further undermining the ability of the Welfare System to help those most in need though, which is precisely why the Tories did it. All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on May 8, 2024 17:14:19 GMT
Yup, that NI cut was nothing but a great con. Great way of further undermining the ability of the Welfare System to help those most in need though, which is precisely why the Tories did it. All The Best The welfare system is not funded by NI. |
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Post by andrewbrown on May 8, 2024 17:27:56 GMT
Yup, that NI cut was nothing but a great con. Great way of further undermining the ability of the Welfare System to help those most in need though, which is precisely why the Tories did it. All The Best The welfare system is not funded by NI. NI income isn't ringfenced, it goes into the same pot. |
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Post by ProVeritas on May 8, 2024 17:31:41 GMT
Yup, that NI cut was nothing but a great con. Great way of further undermining the ability of the Welfare System to help those most in need though, which is precisely why the Tories did it. All The Best The welfare system is not funded by NI. You just have to love people who have absolutely no idea at all what they are talking about: What NI Is Used ForBasic State Pension, Additional State Pension, New State Pension - all arguably not Welfare, although a case could be made that BSP is. However; New Style Jobseeker’s Allowance, Contribution-based Employment and Support Allowance, clearly ARE part of the Welfare System. Maternity Allowance: Given that MA is a means tested benefit administered by the DWP you'd be very hard pressed to definitively claim it is not part of the Welfare System. All The Best |
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