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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 8, 2024 21:01:19 GMT
I've no idea why anyone bothers responding to , he brings literally nothing to any debate. Irony? Much? All The Best Yep, loads.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2024 6:56:49 GMT
View AttachmentIf Labour win the general election, and if they begin to turn around the NHS and bring down waiting lists ( just like they did last time ), would the critics take back their criticism. ? If by taking our railways back into public ownership, our railways become more reliable, more punctual and a more viable and attractive way of getting around, would the Labour critics take back their words that "it wont work". If a new publicly owned "Great British Energy Company" helps to drive down energy costs, would those that criticise the idea be happy. ? If a "Border Force Command" makes a difference to the small boats problem, would those that say "it wont work" take back their words. ? Is it not the case that where a sitting government has FAILED, after been in government for 14 years, that its time for a different government. ? 'If' is doing a lot of heavy lifting there - how likely do you actually think it is that those pledges are going to achieved?. For example are you expecting illegal immigration across the Channel to fall? I have my doubts too, but even if they only partially succeed it will be an improvement on what we have now. These last 14 years have given us appalling government and a broken Britain. For that reason alone we need to give someone else a chance. The Tories definitely need a term or two in opposition to sort themselves out and figure out where they stand. Especially with the demographic time bomb ticking against them. I have seen polling recently that place their ratings at only 9% amongst the under 50s, and well behind the Greens amongst the under 25s. Far fewer people are shifting rightwards as they age than used to be the case, and this is almost certainly due to greater difficulties in becoming prosperous due to high rents and housing costs and ever more people reliant upon insecure private renting. The aspirational road to home ownership is working for far fewer people and often much later in life than used to be the case, and this is I suspect the primary cause of fewer people moving towards the Conservatives as they age. In response to this the Tories are obviously engaged in an attempt to limit the damage in the short term by targeting their appeal at the older age groups who still vote for them in numbers. But in the medium to longer term this might risk alienating the working age population even more. And with the majority of today's pensioners likely to be gone in 20 years, and today's under 50s having by then become the under 70s, clearly the Tories need for their long term survival to broaden their appeal to younger voters. A period in opposition might sharpen their minds on that. score.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 9, 2024 8:27:48 GMT
'If' is doing a lot of heavy lifting there - how likely do you actually think it is that those pledges are going to achieved?. For example are you expecting illegal immigration across the Channel to fall? I have my doubts too, but even if they only partially succeed it will be an improvement on what we have now. These last 14 years have given us appalling government and a broken Britain. For that reason alone we need to give someone else a chance. The Tories definitely need a term or two in opposition to sort themselves out and figure out where they stand. Especially with the demographic time bomb ticking against them. I have seen polling recently that place their ratings at only 9% amongst the under 50s, and well behind the Greens amongst the under 25s. Far fewer people are shifting rightwards as they age than used to be the case, and this is almost certainly due to greater difficulties in becoming prosperous due to high rents and housing costs and ever more people reliant upon insecure private renting. The aspirational road to home ownership is working for far fewer people and often much later in life than used to be the case, and this is I suspect the primary cause of fewer people moving towards the Conservatives as they age. In response to this the Tories are obviously engaged in an attempt to limit the damage in the short term by targeting their appeal at the older age groups who still vote for them in numbers. But in the medium to longer term this might risk alienating the working age population even more. And with the majority of today's pensioners likely to be gone in 20 years, and today's under 50s having by then become the under 70s, clearly the Tories need for their long term survival to broaden their appeal to younger voters. A period in opposition might sharpen their minds on that. score. If Britain has been broken by the Tories, and I do not disagree in whole, what have they specifically done that has led to that breaking bearing in mind we currently have record taxes and an enormous debt.
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Post by bancroft on Jun 9, 2024 9:15:22 GMT
I caught a bit of Hitchens on the Talk show, says labour have ruled out raising working taxes so their taxes will likely hit council tax, pensions and probably targeted VAT what's the betting more on petrol?
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Post by see2 on Jun 9, 2024 9:39:26 GMT
--"The lifetime allowance slaps a brutal 55 percent charge on anybody who works hard and saves a decent-sized sum for their retirement. This brutal levy kicks in at a totally arbitrary level of £1,073,100. It used to be much higher but was repeatedly cut by chancellors desperate to raise cash from hard-working voters."-- It would make a change if you kept your arrogant Rightist thoughts to yourself, mind you, all you do is to prove that Rightists are not a full shilling. That's not income, it's LTA you idiot Try paying attention and learning to read before reacting Or just don't expose your complete ignorance on economic/financial matters by scrolling past the posts your clearly are clueless about I specifically quoted LTA you idiot! ---"The life time allowance slaps a brutal 55 percent charge" So yes please do "Try paying attention and learning to read before reacting". You usually appear to be clueless on just about everything you post about, so no change there.
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Post by see2 on Jun 9, 2024 9:50:31 GMT
Yep, loads. I think I would probably feel sorry for you if I thought there was a decent chap behind your disastrous posts, but I don't, so I don't.
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 9, 2024 10:44:13 GMT
That's not income, it's LTA you idiot Try paying attention and learning to read before reacting Or just don't expose your complete ignorance on economic/financial matters by scrolling past the posts your clearly are clueless about I specifically quoted LTA you idiot! ---"The life time allowance slaps a brutal 55 percent charge" So yes please do "Try paying attention and learning to read before reacting". You usually appear to be clueless on just about everything you post about, so no change there. You really do have severe memory issues where your lying is concerned and are utterly clueless on tax/finance/economics/business YOU and no-one else posted : As it doesn't kick in until you have an income of over £1million pounds I don't think it will bother too many individuals.
I pointed out that LTA has SFA to do with income ( and you even had the audacity to tell me I was wrong and this correction had no credibility ) If you are now going to accept your abject ignorance in that belief was incorrect and you understand the error in your ways then just state that you were yet again clueless in your wrongful understanding of the tax system and apologise for posting false information - don't try to pretend that you were not ignorant by the standard lefty tactic of trying to shout loudest ( I haven't forgotten the utterly laughable boll*x you posted claiming that beneficiaries and not the estate paid IHT) Or simply stick to posting your favourite mantras It was all Mrs T's fault Gordon Brown is my hero Blair was fantastic There was no illegal war Anyone who doesn't agree with me is of the far right
and the best one (imo) I'm a centrist not a lefty
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Post by om15 on Jun 9, 2024 13:32:47 GMT
If labour win we can expect a shock to our society not seen since the 1970s, there will be wholesale uncosted nationalisation being carried out by incompetents and dictated by the marxist trade unions, the complete takeover of schools and universities by woke regulations and George Orwell style brainwashing, a weird kind of deviant gender rules that will incite rage among ordinary people, a debt crisis that makes our current debt look minor, the complete eradication of all private enterprise and self sufficiency, working and employment laws which will result in at least ten million people being rendered unemployed, a suffocation of petty rules in the name of net zero, blackouts, national strikes, homelessness, starvation, the total breakdown of the NHS and a total ban of private health care.
Fuck knows what the second week will be like.
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Post by om15 on Jun 9, 2024 13:37:05 GMT
If you don't believe me listen to this chap,
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 9, 2024 14:38:57 GMT
If you don't believe me listen to this chap, Because Hitchens is totally impartial... ...right? All The Best
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Post by om15 on Jun 9, 2024 14:47:00 GMT
He was initially a trotsky hard leftie, then he grew up and became normal, therefore his opinion is to be valued.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 9, 2024 14:54:30 GMT
He was initially a trotsky hard leftie, then he grew up and became normal, therefore his opinion is to be valued. His opinion IS to be valued. But no more, or less valued than anyone else's. All The Best
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 9, 2024 14:57:25 GMT
If labour win we can expect a shock to our society not seen since the 1970s, there will be wholesale uncosted nationalisation being carried out by incompetents and dictated by the marxist trade unions, the complete takeover of schools and universities by woke regulations and George Orwell style brainwashing, a weird kind of deviant gender rules that will incite rage among ordinary people, a debt crisis that makes our current debt look minor, the complete eradication of all private enterprise and self sufficiency, working and employment laws which will result in at least ten million people being rendered unemployed, a suffocation of petty rules in the name of net zero, blackouts, national strikes, homelessness, starvation, the total breakdown of the NHS and a total ban of private health care. Fuck knows what the second week will be like.
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 9, 2024 15:10:14 GMT
Why does anyone believe that Peter Hitchens views or opinions are either more relevant, or more important than anyone elses opinions. ?
Peter Hitchens has changed his political affiliations and opinions more time than I have changed my socks.
He's now a person of the populist Right, opposes equal rights for gay men and women, opposed the measures to stop the spread of Covid, including opposing lockdowns. He's an arrogant person full of his own self importance.
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 9, 2024 15:19:13 GMT
Why does anyone believe that Peter Hitchens views or opinions are either more relevant, or more important than anyone elses opinions. ? Peter Hitchens has changed his political affiliations and opinions more time than I have changed my socks. He's now a person of the populist Right, opposes equal rights for gay men and women, opposed the measures to stop the spread of Covid, including opposing lockdowns. He's an arrogant person full of his own self importance. including opposing lockdowns.He's been proven right to have done so , Sweden got it right
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