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Post by Totheleft on Apr 30, 2024 20:39:29 GMT
It's funny how Fascist can post freely on here .
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 30, 2024 21:24:19 GMT
It's funny how Fascist can post freely on here . Where ?
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Post by Totheleft on Apr 30, 2024 21:38:22 GMT
It's funny how Fascist can post freely on here . Where ? The people who Support Tommy Robision
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Post by vlk on May 1, 2024 1:24:29 GMT
Boomers still think it's 1980 and there is a difference between the Tories and Labour.
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Post by Red Rackham on May 1, 2024 1:42:10 GMT
I just like to say a big thank you to the People who are going to vote reform. Thank you for securing a Labour Marjority. Reform can cost Tories more than 100 seats By Prof Richard Rose, 2 April 2024 If the Reform Party holds its twelve percent support, it won't win any seats at the forthcoming general election. However, because nine-tenths of Reform support is drawn from former Conservative voters, this will deliver more than 100 Tory seats to the Labour Party. The current halving of Tory support from 2019 is principally due to defections to Reform rather than a switch to Labour, according to YouGov. For every ex-Tory who reports switching to Labour almost three report moving further to the right to endorse Reform. If this rate of defection is maintained at the general election, the Tories will win only 90 seats, their worst showing ever. Starmer will be far more concerned about George Galloways 'Workers Party' than Sunak is about Reform UK. The Tories are expected to lose the election (Because they're not Conservatives) but George Galloway thanks to his Gaza bullshit is predicted to cost the Labour party a significant percentage of the Muslim vote. And as you know, many Labour MP's rely on the Muslim vote.
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Post by Red Rackham on May 1, 2024 1:44:56 GMT
Boomers still think it's 1980 and there is a difference between the Tories and Labour. Pillock. Understand your generations.
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Post by andrewbrown on May 1, 2024 5:50:55 GMT
I just like to say a big thank you to the People who are going to vote reform. Thank you for securing a Labour Marjority. Reform can cost Tories more than 100 seats By Prof Richard Rose, 2 April 2024 If the Reform Party holds its twelve percent support, it won't win any seats at the forthcoming general election. However, because nine-tenths of Reform support is drawn from former Conservative voters, this will deliver more than 100 Tory seats to the Labour Party. The current halving of Tory support from 2019 is principally due to defections to Reform rather than a switch to Labour, according to YouGov. For every ex-Tory who reports switching to Labour almost three report moving further to the right to endorse Reform. If this rate of defection is maintained at the general election, the Tories will win only 90 seats, their worst showing ever. Starmer will be far more concerned about George Galloways 'Workers Party' than Sunak is about Reform UK. The Tories are expected to lose the election (Because they're not Conservatives) but George Galloway thanks to his Gaza bullshit is predicted to cost the Labour party a significant percentage of the Muslim vote. And as you know, many Labour MP's rely on the Muslim vote.Ā Is this being reflected in the polls?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2024 6:04:40 GMT
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Post by Totheleft on May 1, 2024 6:11:00 GMT
I just like to say a big thank you to the People who are going to vote reform. Thank you for securing a Labour Marjority. Reform can cost Tories more than 100 seats By Prof Richard Rose, 2 April 2024 If the Reform Party holds its twelve percent support, it won't win any seats at the forthcoming general election. However, because nine-tenths of Reform support is drawn from former Conservative voters, this will deliver more than 100 Tory seats to the Labour Party. The current halving of Tory support from 2019 is principally due to defections to Reform rather than a switch to Labour, according to YouGov. For every ex-Tory who reports switching to Labour almost three report moving further to the right to endorse Reform. If this rate of defection is maintained at the general election, the Tories will win only 90 seats, their worst showing ever. Starmer will be far more concerned about George Galloways 'Workers Party' than Sunak is about Reform UK. The Tories are expected to lose the election (Because they're not Conservatives) but George Galloway thanks to his Gaza bullshit is predicted to cost the Labour party a significant percentage of the Muslim vote. And as you know, many Labour MP's rely on the Muslim vote.Ā Should I remind you the 2005 election result Without the Muslim vote Blair won by a landslide . Galloway on course to lose Rochdale. And has a side note did you know the Cricketer pansore or whatever his name is . Us due to be a candidate for Galloway party
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Post by Dogburger on May 1, 2024 6:37:59 GMT
The people who Support Tommy Robision Is he drunk But I know who you mean and much as I dislike the bloke wouldn't call him a Fascist ,more a deluded thug . Im prepared to be corrected here but I don't think anyone supports him personally but rather supports or shares most of his views with regard immigration ,Islam ,and nationalism . That doesn't make them Fascists or even Fascists by association
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Post by Totheleft on May 1, 2024 6:55:09 GMT
The people who Support Tommy Robision Is he drunkĀ But I know who you mean and much as I dislike the bloke wouldn't call him a Fascist ,more a deluded thug . Im prepared to be corrected here but I don't think anyone supports him personally but rather supports or shares most of his views with regard immigration ,Islam ,andĀ nationalism .Ā That doesn't make them Fascists or even Fascists by associationĀ I've been on his demos where people openly give the Nazi Salute . He Claims he left the EDL beca6se it was took over by facist had they suddenly turned Up especially in the higher reigns of the EDL . His pay master your ulter far right Anerican Zionist From the Gateway institute if my memory correct. I've followed the EDl very closely from 2011. Even on there message board Where do you think a main part of his Thugs come from
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2024 6:58:21 GMT
The people who Support Tommy Robision Is he drunk But I know who you mean and much as I dislike the bloke wouldn't call him a Fascist ,more a deluded thug . Im prepared to be corrected here but I don't think anyone supports him personally but rather supports or shares most of his views with regard immigration ,Islam ,and nationalism . That doesn't make them Fascists or even Fascists by association Some people are just pretty braindead and use Fascist as a form of abuse with no understanding of its meaning. In fact, the one hurling the smears around actually supports Dan Dare's opinion toward Tommy, in that he's backed by the Jews. Dan Dare is a keen supporter of old school Fascism. As you can now see the next buzzword they throw around is he's a Nazi, but in actual fact, Tommy's old group of hooligans would have beaten up a Nazi on sight.
EDIT: I'm happy to converse with Dogburger and anyone else who is self-aware and intelligent. I have no time for the rabid far-left or backward liars.
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Post by Totheleft on May 1, 2024 7:08:48 GMT
Is he drunkĀ But I know who you mean and much as I dislike the bloke wouldn't call him a Fascist ,more a deluded thug . Im prepared to be corrected here but I don't think anyone supports him personally but rather supports or shares most of his views with regard immigration ,Islam ,andĀ nationalism .Ā That doesn't make them Fascists or even Fascists by associationĀ Some people are just pretty braindead and use Fascist as a form of abuse with no understanding of its meaning.Ā In fact, the one hurling the smears around actually supports Dan Dare's opinion toward Tommy, in that he's backed by the Jews.Ā Dan Dare is a keen supporter of old school Fascism.Ā As you can now see the next buzzword they throw around is he's a Nazi, but in actual fact, Tommy's old group of hooligans would have beaten up a Nazi on sight.Ā
Are you saying ultra right wing Jews are not Facist ? I don't expect you to Answer. Seeing you were a key board EDL warrior Has for Dan Dare the BNP member is that what you call old fashioned Fascist?.
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Post by Totheleft on May 1, 2024 7:14:58 GMT
I'm happy to converse with Dogburger and anyone else who is self-aware and intelligent. I have no time for the rabid far-left or backward liars. See no Answer Yea let Dogberger conclude himself. Me far -left lol . You nut job
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Post by Totheleft on May 1, 2024 7:32:42 GMT
The Tines of Israel thread
Why are US āpro-Israelā groups boosting a far-right, anti-Muslim UK extremist? The Gatestone Institute publishes pieces defending Tommy Robinson, and the Middle East Forum is offering him financial help -- ostensibly in the name of free speech By ERIC CORTELLESSA 24 January 2019, 2:00 pm Why are US āpro-Israelā groups boosting a far-right, anti-Muslim UK extremist? Tommy Robinson, the former leader of the far-right EDL 'English Defense League' group arrives for an appearance at Westminster Magistrates Court in London on October 16, 2013 (AP Photo/Matt Dunham). WASHINGTON ā Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon, aka āTommy Robinson,ā is one of the most prominent anti-Muslim activists in the world. A political adviser to a right-wing British party, he is the founder and former chair of a far-right Islamophobic group.
Recently sentenced to 13 months in prison for illegally filming a court proceeding involving Muslims accused of sexual assault and publishing it on Facebook Live, Robinson is more than just an agent provocateur. Heās one of the main forces bringing extremist forms of hate and bigotry from the fringes to the mainstream.
Why, then, are some of his biggest supporters ā financial and otherwise ā a loose coalition of reactionary, self-proclaimed pro-Israel backers?
According to a recent investigation by The Guardian, Robinson is being bankrolled by a nexus of international organizations. Many of those groups, it turns out, are part of the American right-wing infrastructure supporting the Israeli cause.
Get The Times of Israel's Daily Edition by email and never miss our top stories Newsletter email address Your email GET IT By signing up, you agree to the terms Why are US āpro-Israelā groups boosting a far-right, anti-Muslim UK extremist? Daniel Pipes at the American Freedom Alliance conference at USC. (CC-BY-ASA: lukeford.net/Wikimedia) The Philadelphia-based think tank Middle East Forum is one of the British extremistās biggest sponsors. Daniel Pipes, MEFās president, confirmed to The Times of Israel that his group has spent roughly $60,000 on three demonstrations defending Robinsonās legal trial.
Pipes said that he first met Robinson in December 2017 and was āimpressedā by him. He described Robinson as part of a group of people who are ātrying to sustain their civilization, trying to keep Europe Europe, trying to keep the West the West. Overall, I think that their effort is sound and needed.ā
Robert Shillman, a US-based billionaire who gives frequently to Israeli institutions, financed a fellowship that payed for a position Robinson held in 2017 with a right-wing Canadian website, The Rebel Media, according to The Guardian. (Shillman did not respond to requests for comment.)
Other groups, including the Gatestone Institute, an Israel-focused think tank, and the far-right David Horowitz Freedom Center, have published a series of pieces defending Robinson. One on the Gatestone website was titled, āSwift Injustice: The Case of Tommy Robinson.ā (The pieceās author, Bruce Bawer, also did not respond to requests for comment.)
Far-right activist Horowitz emailed The Guardian: āTommy Robinson is a courageous Englishman who has risked his life to expose the rape epidemic of young girls conducted by Muslim gangs and covered up by your shameful government.ā
The Southern Poverty Law Center has said Horowitzās organization specializes in āgiving anti-Muslim voices and radical ideologies a platform to project hate and misinformation.ā
Horowitz himself has espoused a number of racist theories, including that former US president Barack Obama was a secret Muslim. āObama is an anti-American radical and Iām actually sure heās a Muslim, he certainly isnāt a Christian,ā Horowitz once said in a taped interview posted by the website Right Wing Watch. āHeās a pretend Christian in the same way heās a pretend American.ā
Both the MEF and Gatestone are funded by Nina Rosenwald, a self-described āardent Zionistā and American Jewish philanthropist who co-chairs American Securities Management, and who founded the Gatestone Institute. (Rosenwald did not respond to a request for comment.) Gatestone also receives millions in donations from the Mercer family, who are one of US President Donald Trumpās top financial backers.
Robinson, however, has been a top concern for the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish civil rights organization that monitors hate groups and the growth of extremist ideologies.
ADL CEO Jonathan Greenblatt speaking at the organizationās Never is Now conference in New York City, Nov. 17, 2016. (Courtesy of the ADL) Last November, ADLās CEO Jonathan Greenblatt wrote a letter to US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and US Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen urging them not to grant Robinson a visa to enter the United States.
āOn the basis of his record of incitement against Muslims and immigrants ā and on the basis of illegal acts in his past travel to America ā I urge you to deny his application for a visa,ā Greenblatt said, referring to an incident in 2013 when Robinson tried to enter the country under someone elseās passport. (The 36-year-oldās 2018 visa request was ultimately denied.)
The ADL chief pointed to a number of Robinsonās transgressions: his long history of involvement with British anti-Muslim groups, his popularity with Americaās white-supremacist movement. Notably, Robinson was a member of the fascist British National Party from 2004 to 2005. The party, said Marilyn Mayo, a senior research fellow with the ADLās Center for Extremism, is āreally a neo-Nazi party.ā
From the margins to the mainstream Born in Luton, England, Robinson was the children of Irish immigrants. Since the beginning of his adult life, he has been in trouble with the law.
After landing an apprenticeship to study aircraft engineering for five years, he lost his job in 2003 after he was convicted of assaulting a police officer while he was drunk. For that, he spent 12 months in prison.
Once he got out, he joined the neo-Nazi tied British National Party, and has ever since been connected with groups, including the British Freedom Party, that demonize Muslims and blame them for infecting the United Kingdom. Since November 2018, he has been a political adviser to Gerard Batten, the head of the UK Independence Party (UKIP).
Robinson gained international notoriety last summer when he was jailed after illegally filming a rape trial that had Muslim defendants. His arrest and conviction were taken up by far-right activists worldwide, instigating a āFree Tommyā campaign. Donald Trump Jr. shared a tweet from a Robinson supporter with the comment ādonāt let America follow in those footsteps.ā
In this file photo taken on June 9, 2018, protesters hold up placards at a gathering by supporters of far-right spokesman Tommy Robinson in central London (AFP PHOTO / Daniel LEAL-OLIVAS) It was during this time that MEF got involved to assist in the cause.
Pipes denied that his think tank paid for Robinsonās legal defense, as The Guardian reported, but verified that it bankrolled three demonstrations in London defending Robinson. Pipes also pushed back against allegations that Robinson is an anti-Muslim bigot.
āAnyone who is critical of Islamism, who makes a distinction between Islam and Islamism, who worries about multiculturalism, who worries about Western civilization, is called ugly things,ā said Pipes.
Pipes said he developed a natural affinity toward Robinson because he, too, is preoccupied with āthe Islamist threat.ā He emphasized that this was a common feature of organizations that are invested in Israelās security and future.
āThere tends to be a continuum, because people who are concerned about Israel tend to be concerned about Islamism,ā added Pipes. āThey donāt always go together, but they usually do.ā
The ADLās Mayo, however, characterized Robinson quite differently.
Why are US āpro-Israelā groups boosting a far-right, anti-Muslim UK extremist? Tommy Robinson, left, the former leader of the far-right EDL āEnglish Defense Leagueā group walks past police officers as he leaves after an appearance at Westminster Magistrates Court in London, October 16, 2013. (AP Photo/Matt Dunham) āHeās been involved in violent street demonstrations against Muslims in Great Britain,ā she said. āHe basically has promoted the idea that Muslims are invading Great Britain, that they donāt belong there. Thatās the kind of rhetoric that he promotes.ā
In recent months, Robinson has gained even more attention. The far-right movement, Mayo indicated, has largely used the story of his arrest to make him a free-speech martyr: Tucker Carlson of Fox News hosted Robinson on the program. Robinsonās social media presence has blown up and he now has more than one million followers on Facebook.
But the main attraction for far-right extremists to Robinson, Mayo insisted, are his views on Islam. āWhat we see from people like him and those who share his views is that there tends to be a lot of generalizations and stereotyping about Muslims,ā she said. Since his conviction, she added, āI think actually heās getting more mainstream support.ā
The support Robinson has received from a web of Israel-backing groups may be about more than just protecting āfree speech.ā As at least Pipes and Horowitz have made clear, itās also about advancing his ideas.
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