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Post by Totheleft on Apr 30, 2024 3:57:14 GMT
I just like to say a big thank you to the People who are going to vote reform.
Thank you for securing a Labour Marjority.
Reform can cost Tories more than 100 seats
By Prof Richard Rose, 2 April 2024 If the Reform Party holds its twelve percent support, it won't win any seats at the forthcoming general election. However, because nine-tenths of Reform support is drawn from former Conservative voters, this will deliver more than 100 Tory seats to the Labour Party.
The current halving of Tory support from 2019 is principally due to defections to Reform rather than a switch to Labour, according to YouGov. For every ex-Tory who reports switching to Labour almost three report moving further to the right to endorse Reform. If this rate of defection is maintained at the general election, the Tories will win only 90 seats, their worst showing ever.
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 30, 2024 6:27:15 GMT
No doubt how its going to play out lefty .
This can be seen its former guise the Brexit party where in seats they did well with 25-30% of the vote it was labour that won . There is always the chance albeit a small one that Tory voters will see sense in seats they know are lost and will vote reform in hope of keeping labour out
In which case Reform will win a couple of seats
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Post by Totheleft on Apr 30, 2024 6:36:19 GMT
No doubt how its going to play out lefty . This can be seen its former guise the Brexit party where in seats they did well with 25-30% of the vote it was labour that won . There is always the chance albeit a small one that Tory voters will see sense in seats they know are lost and will vote reform in hope of keeping labour out In which case Reform will win a couple of seats Well according to political Analysts Reform won't win any seats .
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 30, 2024 6:39:26 GMT
No doubt how its going to play out lefty . This can be seen its former guise the Brexit party where in seats they did well with 25-30% of the vote it was labour that won . There is always the chance albeit a small one that Tory voters will see sense in seats they know are lost and will vote reform in hope of keeping labour out In which case Reform will win a couple of seats I get what you're trying to say, and can't criticise it as a tactical voter myself, but as the raison d'etre of Reform is to destroy the Tories, why would Tory voters vote tactically for them?
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 30, 2024 7:02:44 GMT
No doubt how its going to play out lefty . This can be seen its former guise the Brexit party where in seats they did well with 25-30% of the vote it was labour that won . There is always the chance albeit a small one that Tory voters will see sense in seats they know are lost and will vote reform in hope of keeping labour out In which case Reform will win a couple of seats Well according to political Analysts Reform won't win any seats . According to political analysts you linked reform 'could' win up to 20 seats .
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 30, 2024 7:09:50 GMT
No doubt how its going to play out lefty . This can be seen its former guise the Brexit party where in seats they did well with 25-30% of the vote it was labour that won . There is always the chance albeit a small one that Tory voters will see sense in seats they know are lost and will vote reform in hope of keeping labour out In which case Reform will win a couple of seats I get what you're trying to say, and can't criticise it as a tactical voter myself, but as the raison d'etre of Reform is to destroy the Tories, why would Tory voters vote tactically for them? Because the next election will be about damage limitation for the Tories . If they can't win the seat ,stopping labour winning it is the next best option .
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Post by Totheleft on Apr 30, 2024 7:25:18 GMT
Well according to political Analysts Reform won't win any seats . According to political analysts you linked reform 'could' win up to 20 seats . Where dose he say that. Thanks to Reform, the Labour Party is currently projected to win 459 seats under Sir Keir Starmer's leadership, substantially more than Tony Blair garnered for Labour in 1997. Its support has risen by 10 percentage points thanks to the post-Corbyn party picking up support from first-time voters, about one-third of former Liberal Democrats and one-eighth of Tories. This is sufficient to give it an absolute majority in the House of Commons without any gaining additional seats thanks to Reform. The Liberal Democrats also stand to gain greatly from the impact of Reform in the blue wall seats where Liberals are in second place. Electoral Calculus projects the Lib Dems taking 49 seats, more than double the likely number they would win without the impact of Reform. Rishi Sunak has two options to regain Conservative seats. The easier target is the fifth of electors who don't know how they will vote but voted Conservative at the last election. Were he to regain the support of all of these uncertain electors, this would reduce the current Labour national lead to about 10 percent. However, this would only bring the Conservatives up to about 175 seats and Labour would win control of government. The alternative for Sunak is to win back support from people who now say they will vote Reform. He is now attempting this with hard-right policies on such issues as immigration. If Sunak managed to regain half of Reform's 12 percent of supporters, the number of Conservative seats would rise to about 160. If Reform were to collapse and all its current supporters voted Tory, it would end up with about 225 MPs. Such a recovery would still leave Labour in government with a big enough majority to last to 2029. There is always the possibility that Reform's support could increase, especially if Nigel Farage jumped on the Reform bandwagon. If Conservative defections added another 3 percent, it would still have difficulty winning any MPs but the Conservatives would fall to less than 60 MPs. If Reform were to rise to 18 percent, it would have more support than the Conservatives, but the Tories would have the bitter consolation of having 31 seats against one for Reform.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 30, 2024 7:29:35 GMT
That makes no sense
"Rishi Sunak has two options to regain Conservative seats. The easier target is the fifth of electors who don't know how they will vote but voted Conservative at the last election."
The alternative for Sunak is to win back support from people who now say they will vote Reform.
These are the same people - they voted Tory at the last election, are unhappy that they have failed to implement any Tory policies, and so are now supporting Reform
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2024 7:31:38 GMT
I think it's best to let it play out. The rich are fleeing the country whilst illegals are arriving with nothing to contribute. Anyone who even attempts to tackle any of the issues, like spending, are hated and voted out, so politics just remains in the short-term and passes the buck to the next poor sucker. It's reaching its crescendo and a Labour government cannot survive on propaganda alone. The longer they're kept in the worst it will be as this fall into the abyss continues.
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 30, 2024 7:55:00 GMT
According to political analysts you linked reform 'could' win up to 20 seats . Where dose he say that. It doesn't , apologise it was something else I was listening to earlier on GB news . It can though be seen here www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html
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Post by wapentake on Apr 30, 2024 8:21:05 GMT
TTL greater Manchester has a labour mayor and judging by his actions Steamer as pm will be a bigger disaster at worst or as bad at best than Sunak,it’s Buggins turn at its worst.
Westminster and its inhabitants need an overhaul,you may celebrate when the Blair puppet is made pm but for the people of this country they won’t be winners they will as usual lose out as the Westminster club takes care of its own.
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Post by Totheleft on Apr 30, 2024 8:26:38 GMT
TTL greater Manchester has a labour mayor and judging by his actions Steamer as pm will be a bigger disaster at worst or as bad at best than Sunak,it’s Buggins turn at its worst. Westminster and its inhabitants need an overhaul,you may celebrate when the Blair puppet is made pm but for the people of this country they won’t be winners they will as usual lose out as the Westminster club takes care of its own. Judging by who's actions Andy Burnames?
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Post by wapentake on Apr 30, 2024 8:30:06 GMT
TTL greater Manchester has a labour mayor and judging by his actions Steamer as pm will be a bigger disaster at worst or as bad at best than Sunak,it’s Buggins turn at its worst. Westminster and its inhabitants need an overhaul,you may celebrate when the Blair puppet is made pm but for the people of this country they won’t be winners they will as usual lose out as the Westminster club takes care of its own. Judging by whose actions Andy Burnames? Burnham has his eyes on being Sadiq Khan but the real prize is pm,he doesn’t give a stuff about Manchester.
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Post by Vinny on Apr 30, 2024 8:36:15 GMT
The situation is this, the Tories have moved from being a centre right Conservative Party to being a rudderless Conservative Party.
They fucked up their response to Covid and it's been downhill from there.
Regarding Brexit: They haven't taken advantage of the ability to zero rate tariffs on things we do not make or grow.
Regarding Ukraine: They could have done far more to help Ukraine including buying back tanks we have sold to foreign governments which now no longer use those tanks.
Regarding Russia: Our sanctions have been too light.
Labour will get in, because our stupid voting system leaves no alternative. But Labour are another shambles. They'll get in then start sliding themselves.
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Post by Totheleft on Apr 30, 2024 8:42:18 GMT
Judging by whose actions Andy Burnames? Burnham has his eyes on being Sadiq Khan but the real prize is pm,he doesn’t give a stuff about Manchester. Why because he's a Scouce?
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