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Post by happyjack on Jun 30, 2024 13:09:19 GMT
“Your attempts to explain the workings entailed in the calculation of the annual 'Block Grant' shows your lack of understanding.” Where, above, have I attempted to do that? “ Are you, for instance, saying that proposed English spending has nothing to do with how the Barnett formula operates? “ No. “There is no 'black hole'. It only exists in the fevered minds of you and your Unionist compatriots.” That just demonstrates how badly informed and/or how out of your depth you are - and how much your anti-English bigotry prevents you from acknowledging the truth. “ScotGov has to balance its books. If this was not done, a fine would be imposed.” So what? “Because devolved matters are balanced, it proves that ScotGov is sound financially, economically.” No it doesn’t, and even if it did that would not mean that there is not, or would not be, a fiscal black hole. Once again, this just demonstrates how badly informed and/or out of your depth you are - and how much your anti-English bigotry prevents you from acknowledging the truth. “The problem arises with the UK Government's alleged spending on and on behalf of Scotland. A lot of the sums allotted to Scotland are pure guesswork.“ And, once again, that just demonstrates how badly informed and/or how out of your depth you are - and how much your anti-English bigotry prevents you from acknowledging the truth. Perhaps you could format your responses a bit better. I will try to decipher your ramblings. 1. Don't you understand the English language? I used the plural of "attempt". That points to your previous "attempts" as well as any "attempt" you tried above! 2. Now we are getting somewhere. Keep it up 3. As I said, you have no idea of the concept. Also, in what way does what I said show anti-English bigotry? You are scraping the barrel, but then that's par for the course 4. "So What"? Are you for real? Showing your complete lack of understanding yet again. 5. Yes it does. An Independent Scotland would not follow the rUKs policies. If there is a "black hole" on Independence, it would be based on rUK mismanagement of the economy. It would then be down to ScotGov to sort the mess out. No spending on Trident. No interference in other countries affairs e.g invasion and warfare are examples of where savings could be made. As for black holes, are you saying that the UK is free of one? Anti-English bigotry again? You really must explain yourself. The accusations are nonsensical rubbish. “Perhaps you could format your responses a bit better. I will try to decipher your ramblings.” There is no need for me to do that. I have employed a routinely used and perfectly acceptable methodology of responding to you. If you struggle with that then that points to yet another problem at your end to add to your zealot’s blindness and to your difficulty with being able to read, process and understand, as we have identified before. “Don't you understand the English language? I used the plural of "attempt". That points to your previous "attempts" as well as any "attempt" you tried above!” Yes, I understand English although, not for the first time, you are displaying that you struggle to. “Attempts” could just as easily refer to the current thread alone as it could to to previous threads, as indeed could the singular version of that word - so your point is spurious. “Now we are getting somewhere. Keep it up” I am not sure where you think it is that we are getting to. I understand the principles behind how Barnett works and I therefore understand that a central part of the calculation is the uplift in spending from the previous year in England and/or England and Wales on matters in those territories that are devolved to ScotGov in Scotland. I have never argued otherwise so the only thing that seems to have changed here is that you have finally grasped that point. “As I said, you have no idea of the concept. Also, in what way does what I said show anti-English bigotry? You are scraping the barrel, but then that's par for the course” That’s just the febrile anti-English bigot in you talking. I have explained before, by referencing things you have said and attitudes you have displayed, why you are an anti-English bigot. What I said then still applies - so go back and look at that if you want. However, you are too much of an anti-English bigot to ever accept that you are an anti-English bigot so I don’t hold out much hope of you doing that. ‘ "So What"? Are you for real? Showing your complete lack of understanding yet again.’ Yes, I am for real. OK, then explain why ScotGov balancing the books means that there is no notional fiscal deficit and why the annual block grant is not part of the notional fiscal deficit calculation. “Yes it does. An Independent Scotland would not follow the rUKs policies. If there is a "black hole" on Independence, it would be based on rUK mismanagement of the economy. It would then be down to ScotGov to sort the mess out. No spending on Trident. No interference in other countries affairs e.g invasion and warfare are examples of where savings could be made.” Why is Scotland’s notional fiscal black hole based upon rUK mismanagement and why do you consider a notional fiscal black hole to be a mess? Surely it is only mismanagement and a mess if there was an intention to have no Scottish notional fiscal deficit, which has never been an objective? As for your limp list of examples where savings could be made (an unrealistic list of examples too unless you propose that an Indy Scotland does not join NATO as that Trident spending would still need to made on other defence issues instead if it does) then, despite all of your previous attempts to deny and pretend that there would not be a fiscal deficit to address, you are effectively conceding that an independent Scotland would, on day 1, be faced with a fiscal black hole (the underlying amount of which is currently sitting at around £25 billion per annum i.e. over 30% of current total Scottish generated revenues) that it would have to address on an ongoing basis, either by massive tax hikes or brutal cuts to public service provision - actions which would be of such a massive scale that they , in turn, would create subsequent secondary and tertiary black holes and so on that an Indy ScotGov would have to address by piling on even more unbearable tax hikes and devastating cuts to public services until such time as the shockwaves settled down. “ As for black holes, are you saying that the UK is free of one?” The UK’s fiscal arrangements are in equilibrium (and it would find itself £25 billion per annum better off if it didn’t have to prop up Scotland). Scotland’s, on the other hand, are not because it effectively operates with a huge ongoing notional fiscal deficit. Fortunately for us, however, thanks to Scotland being part of the UK, it is not expected to repay that deficit or to alter its fiscal arrangements to address that deficit. That obviously only applies whilst Scotland remains part of the UK, however. The moment it leaves and goes independent then that fiscal black hole becomes a reality that an Indy ScotGov would have to address, bringing massive tax hikes and devastating public service cuts down upon our heads. “Anti-English bigotry again? You really must explain yourself. The accusations are nonsensical rubbish.” As I said when I joined this thread, so “says the anti-English bigot who refuses to recognise that he is an anti-English bigot”. I have explained before, by referencing things you have said and attitudes you have displayed, why you are an anti-English bigot, and you have only reinforced that by what you say above. What I said then still applies - so go back and look at that if you want. However, you are too much of an anti-English bigot to ever accept that you are an anti-English bigot so I don’t hold out much hope of you doing that.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 4, 2024 16:34:41 GMT
Anyway, destroy the racist SNP.
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Post by morayloon on Jul 5, 2024 13:43:42 GMT
Perhaps you could format your responses a bit better. I will try to decipher your ramblings. 1. Don't you understand the English language? I used the plural of "attempt". That points to your previous "attempts" as well as any "attempt" you tried above! 2. Now we are getting somewhere. Keep it up 3. As I said, you have no idea of the concept. Also, in what way does what I said show anti-English bigotry? You are scraping the barrel, but then that's par for the course 4. "So What"? Are you for real? Showing your complete lack of understanding yet again. 5. Yes it does. An Independent Scotland would not follow the rUKs policies. If there is a "black hole" on Independence, it would be based on rUK mismanagement of the economy. It would then be down to ScotGov to sort the mess out. No spending on Trident. No interference in other countries affairs e.g invasion and warfare are examples of where savings could be made. As for black holes, are you saying that the UK is free of one? Anti-English bigotry again? You really must explain yourself. The accusations are nonsensical rubbish. “Perhaps you could format your responses a bit better. I will try to decipher your ramblings.” There is no need for me to do that. I have employed a routinely used and perfectly acceptable methodology of responding to you. If you struggle with that then that points to yet another problem at your end to add to your zealot’s blindness and to your difficulty with being able to read, process and understand, as we have identified before. “Don't you understand the English language? I used the plural of "attempt". That points to your previous "attempts" as well as any "attempt" you tried above!” Yes, I understand English although, not for the first time, you are displaying that you struggle to. “Attempts” could just as easily refer to the current thread alone as it could to to previous threads, as indeed could the singular version of that word - so your point is spurious. “Now we are getting somewhere. Keep it up” I am not sure where you think it is that we are getting to. I understand the principles behind how Barnett works and I therefore understand that a central part of the calculation is the uplift in spending from the previous year in England and/or England and Wales on matters in those territories that are devolved to ScotGov in Scotland. I have never argued otherwise so the only thing that seems to have changed here is that you have finally grasped that point. “As I said, you have no idea of the concept. Also, in what way does what I said show anti-English bigotry? You are scraping the barrel, but then that's par for the course” That’s just the febrile anti-English bigot in you talking. I have explained before, by referencing things you have said and attitudes you have displayed, why you are an anti-English bigot. What I said then still applies - so go back and look at that if you want. However, you are too much of an anti-English bigot to ever accept that you are an anti-English bigot so I don’t hold out much hope of you doing that. ‘ "So What"? Are you for real? Showing your complete lack of understanding yet again.’ Yes, I am for real. OK, then explain why ScotGov balancing the books means that there is no notional fiscal deficit and why the annual block grant is not part of the notional fiscal deficit calculation. “Yes it does. An Independent Scotland would not follow the rUKs policies. If there is a "black hole" on Independence, it would be based on rUK mismanagement of the economy. It would then be down to ScotGov to sort the mess out. No spending on Trident. No interference in other countries affairs e.g invasion and warfare are examples of where savings could be made.” Why is Scotland’s notional fiscal black hole based upon rUK mismanagement and why do you consider a notional fiscal black hole to be a mess? Surely it is only mismanagement and a mess if there was an intention to have no Scottish notional fiscal deficit, which has never been an objective? As for your limp list of examples where savings could be made (an unrealistic list of examples too unless you propose that an Indy Scotland does not join NATO as that Trident spending would still need to made on other defence issues instead if it does) then, despite all of your previous attempts to deny and pretend that there would not be a fiscal deficit to address, you are effectively conceding that an independent Scotland would, on day 1, be faced with a fiscal black hole (the underlying amount of which is currently sitting at around £25 billion per annum i.e. over 30% of current total Scottish generated revenues) that it would have to address on an ongoing basis, either by massive tax hikes or brutal cuts to public service provision - actions which would be of such a massive scale that they , in turn, would create subsequent secondary and tertiary black holes and so on that an Indy ScotGov would have to address by piling on even more unbearable tax hikes and devastating cuts to public services until such time as the shockwaves settled down. “ As for black holes, are you saying that the UK is free of one?” The UK’s fiscal arrangements are in equilibrium (and it would find itself £25 billion per annum better off if it didn’t have to prop up Scotland). Scotland’s, on the other hand, are not because it effectively operates with a huge ongoing notional fiscal deficit. Fortunately for us, however, thanks to Scotland being part of the UK, it is not expected to repay that deficit or to alter its fiscal arrangements to address that deficit. That obviously only applies whilst Scotland remains part of the UK, however. The moment it leaves and goes independent then that fiscal black hole becomes a reality that an Indy ScotGov would have to address, bringing massive tax hikes and devastating public service cuts down upon our heads. “Anti-English bigotry again? You really must explain yourself. The accusations are nonsensical rubbish.” As I said when I joined this thread, so “says the anti-English bigot who refuses to recognise that he is an anti-English bigot”. I have explained before, by referencing things you have said and attitudes you have displayed, why you are an anti-English bigot, and you have only reinforced that by what you say above. What I said then still applies - so go back and look at that if you want. However, you are too much of an anti-English bigot to ever accept that you are an anti-English bigot so I don’t hold out much hope of you doing that. All i can say about that effort is... what a load of bollocks. You continue to show your ignorance re Scottish Government balancing the books and the 'fiddling' of the figures used for retained issues. You still haven't come up with anything that backs your inane accusations of bigotry. Much do better
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Post by Vinny on Jul 5, 2024 13:45:19 GMT
The next Scottish government will be Labour, your dream is over. May as well just abolish devolution now (even though they foolishly created it).
Hold a UK wide referendum, abolish devolution, spend the cash on the military instead.
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Post by happyjack on Jul 5, 2024 13:57:59 GMT
All i can say about that effort is... what a load of bollocks. You continue to show your ignorance re Scottish Government balancing the books and the 'fiddling' of the figures used for retained issues. You still haven't come up with anything that backs your inane accusations of bigotry. Much do better Of course all you can say is “what a load of bollocks”. To say anything else would involve you confronting the inconvenient truth and acknowledging that everything I said above is correct. You only think that I haven’t come up with evidence of your disgraceful anti-English bigotry because you are a disgraceful anti-English bigot who refuses to accept that he is a disgraceful anti-English bigot. I have laid all the evidence you need out for you in an earlier thread and everything I said there still applies. I note you are unable to give a competent answer to my questions above but instead fall back on your usual avoidance and deflection. You are way out of your depth here but you just don’t realise it. If you think that is not the case then why don’t you prove it, prove me wrong, and explain why ScotGov balancing the books means that there is no notional fiscal deficit and why the annual block grant is not part of the notional fiscal deficit calculation.
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Post by morayloon on Jul 5, 2024 14:25:17 GMT
All i can say about that effort is... what a load of bollocks. You continue to show your ignorance re Scottish Government balancing the books and the 'fiddling' of the figures used for retained issues. You still haven't come up with anything that backs your inane accusations of bigotry. Much do better Of course all you can say is “what a load of bollocks”. To say anything else would involve you confronting the inconvenient truth and acknowledging that everything I said above is correct. You only think that I haven’t come up with evidence of your disgraceful anti-English bigotry because you are a disgraceful anti-English bigot who refuses to accept that he is a disgraceful anti-English bigot. I have laid all the evidence you need out for you in an earlier thread and everything I said there still applies. I note you are unable to give a competent answer to my questions above but instead fall back on your usual avoidance and deflection. You are way out of your depth here but you just don’t realise it. If you think that is not the case then why don’t you prove it, prove me wrong, and explain why ScotGov balancing the books means that there is no notional fiscal deficit and why the annual block grant is not part of the notional fiscal deficit calculation. And, yet again, a nonsensical attempt. If you want me to tell you about the "notional fiscal deficit calculation" it must mean that you have no idea about it
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Post by Vinny on Jul 5, 2024 14:33:20 GMT
The devolved anglophobic fascists spend more than taxation provides. Borrowing makes up the difference. British taxpayers in England pay for the borrowing and give Scotland an extra top up through the biased Barnett Formula.
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Post by happyjack on Jul 5, 2024 15:25:07 GMT
Of course all you can say is “what a load of bollocks”. To say anything else would involve you confronting the inconvenient truth and acknowledging that everything I said above is correct. You only think that I haven’t come up with evidence of your disgraceful anti-English bigotry because you are a disgraceful anti-English bigot who refuses to accept that he is a disgraceful anti-English bigot. I have laid all the evidence you need out for you in an earlier thread and everything I said there still applies. I note you are unable to give a competent answer to my questions above but instead fall back on your usual avoidance and deflection. You are way out of your depth here but you just don’t realise it. If you think that is not the case then why don’t you prove it, prove me wrong, and explain why ScotGov balancing the books means that there is no notional fiscal deficit and why the annual block grant is not part of the notional fiscal deficit calculation. And, yet again, a nonsensical attempt. If you want me to tell you about the "notional fiscal deficit calculation" it must mean that you have no idea about it No, it means that although I know that you are well out of your depth on financial matters and that you have no idea about it, I am giving you an opportunity to demonstrate otherwise. Are you able to provide a competent answer or do you intend to continue to wallow in your comforting ignorance instead of addressing this? So I will ask you for the 3rd time, please explain why ScotGov balancing the books means that there is no notional fiscal deficit and why the annual block grant is not part of the notional fiscal deficit calculation. I already know the answers to these questions which are that it doesn’t and it is. However, what you posted above to prompt my first asking these questions of you only makes any sense or has any relevance if you believe that my answers are wrong - so here’s your chance to demonstrate your superior understanding and to prove me wrong.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 5, 2024 15:57:06 GMT
Your propaganda is wrong Morayloon.
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Post by morayloon on Jul 13, 2024 20:07:40 GMT
And, yet again, a nonsensical attempt. If you want me to tell you about the "notional fiscal deficit calculation" it must mean that you have no idea about it No, it means that although I know that you are well out of your depth on financial matters and that you have no idea about it, I am giving you an opportunity to demonstrate otherwise. Are you able to provide a competent answer or do you intend to continue to wallow in your comforting ignorance instead of addressing this? So I will ask you for the 3rd time, please explain why ScotGov balancing the books means that there is no notional fiscal deficit and why the annual block grant is not part of the notional fiscal deficit calculation. I already know the answers to these questions which are that it doesn’t and it is. However, what you posted above to prompt my first asking these questions of you only makes any sense or has any relevance if you believe that my answers are wrong - so here’s your chance to demonstrate your superior understanding and to prove me wrong. A deficit is merely the difference between spending and revenue, where the latter is lower than the former. Scotland's deficit is pure guesswork. Scot Gov Balances the Books, if it didn't it would incur a financial penalty. That means Scotland's so called 'deficit' is a result of the guesswork involved in the UK Governments spending on, and on behalf of Scotland. If you are going to make me believe otherwise, you'll have to explain things a lot better than you have.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 14, 2024 15:35:54 GMT
A deficit is there because the government is spending more than tax provides. Scotland receives more money from tax than it provides in tax. English taxpayers make up the difference via the Barnett formula as much as you keep slagging them off.
Scottish tax receipts 2022-23: £78.1 billion. Scottish spending: £106.6 billion = £28.5 billion of subsidy from ENGLAND. And you won't even lend your support to your fellow Brits in the football tonight ungrateful SNAT.
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Post by wassock on Aug 8, 2024 16:22:31 GMT
Nope. Like I said, scrap it. Scotland would be better off if it's parliament was dissolved. Wales would be better off if it's parliament was dissolved. NI would be better off if it's parliament was dissolved. England would be better off if the above was dissolved. England would be better off that if the above wasn't dissolved, that they were kicked out of the union.
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Post by thomas on Aug 11, 2024 8:48:42 GMT
A deficit is there because the government is spending more than tax provides. Scotland receives more money from tax than it provides in tax. English taxpayers make up the difference via the Barnett formula as much as you keep slagging them off. Scottish tax receipts 2022-23: £78.1 billion. Scottish spending: £106.6 billion = £28.5 billion of subsidy from ENGLAND. And you won't even lend your support to your fellow Brits in the football tonight ungrateful SNAT. simplistic nonsense as normal vinny. Scottish spending is a misnomer , because it includes reserved spending on Scotlands behalf by the uk government at Westminster. for example , scotland was forced to assume a population share of Englands massive debt interest payments , amounting to £9.1 billion . The GERS figures you quote are very selective and intentionally misleading. They show spending taken on behalf of scotland ,often spent outside scotland , rather than just spending by Scotlands government in scotland.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 11, 2024 8:52:47 GMT
Abolish devolution. Everyone will be better off.
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Post by thomas on Aug 11, 2024 9:30:09 GMT
Abolish devolution. Everyone will be better off. aye ok vinny. simplistic banal slogans like kill the invader or abolish devolution might make you feel better , but the reality is the vast majority of scotland support the scottish parliament. we've been over this many a time before. in a civilised democracy , what you do is set up a party called abolish the Scottish parliament party , get people to vote for you, and if you get voted into power , carry out your manifesto promise and abolish devolution. its not a difficult concept vinny.
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