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Post by morayloon on Apr 29, 2024 22:10:24 GMT
Says the man who loves dodgy polls and anglophobic parties. You can produce any results you like with leading questions. What matters are actual votes. And you've already lost. Meanwhile shit devolution is costing the British taxpayer a fortune. Hold a nationwide referendum to scrap it. Kill off the SNAT movement once and for all. None of the Polls are dodgy. They are run by reputable companies. And they do not ask leading questions. They all ask the same question - the one used in 2014! Which parties are 'anglophobic'? Can you provide the evidence that you have been unable to come up with in all the years posting on forums? I seriously doubt it. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 29, 2024 22:33:07 GMT
The Scottish people are pissed off with the SNATS not the English... Whatever Scots think, about the SNP, they do not support any moves toward dissolving the Holyrood Parliament Total Bollocks. morayloon you don't speak for the Scots. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2024 22:38:17 GMT
On Friday he said he had no intention of quitting, he said he intended to fight on. Don't they all. Lets hope his replacement is not a divisive racist who ignores 96% of the people in Scotland, who are white. Holyrood is setup to be anti-English bigoted, and I'm sure all the lil bigots will just run to Alba and the process will begin again. |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 29, 2024 23:43:47 GMT
Which I admitted. So what's your excuse to wave his flag?....But of course any racists will do as long as they hate the English.. I keep asking all you Brit Nat posters where the racism or hatred lies within the movement. A trope you, and they, continually come up with but can't produce any evidence to back the accusations. Come on, give it a try. As James Kelman said in his 1994 Booker Prize speech: "Unfortunately, when people assert their right to cultural or linguistic freedom they are accused of being ungracious, parochial, insular, xenophobic, racist etc. As I see it, it’s an argument based solely on behalf of validity, that my culture and my language have the right to exist, and no one has the authority to dismiss that right, they may have power to dismiss that right, but the authority lies in the power and I demand the right to resist it." |
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Post by om15 on Apr 30, 2024 6:54:40 GMT
Very highbrow Ripley, but in the case of the SNP their lofty objectives are limited to fleecing their supporters of contributions and stealing the money, that and indulging in child mutilation policies and lunatic box ticking racism.
The United Kingdom including Scotland will be a better place for the passing of the SNP.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 30, 2024 7:03:19 GMT
Indeed, but now McYousaf is history, perhaps the racism spewing out of Holyrood and Bute House will be toned down? Yes quite, we live in hope rather than expectation. What racism is that? Provide evidence |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 30, 2024 7:04:03 GMT
Course they're dodgy.
You use polls for support in the same way a drunk uses a lamp post for support rather than illumination.
You absolutely ignore the practical flaws of your idea.
You want Scotland to leave one political union only to join another (and instantly cease being independent), the political union you would join has its own customs border, tariffs etc, You would have to leave the UK customs union to join theirs.
Meaning a hard border which Scotland would have to pay for.
Scotland currently enjoys funding from the English via the Barnett formula. That would stop.
Scotland would have to join the Euro and would lose fiscal independence.
SNATS want to impose absurd gender recognition laws which would absolutely undermine women's rights.
Do you want Scotland to be worse off socially, politically and economically?
There. You've just agreed that "independence" as proposed by the anglophobes is nothing of the sort, offers nothing but trouble for Scotland and would cost a fortune resulting in the defence of our island being compromised and trade across our island becoming more England based.
Abolish devolution instead.
Ask the right questions and even you would vote to eradicate the monumental waste of cash that is Holyrood.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 30, 2024 7:06:26 GMT
Very highbrow Ripley, but in the case of the SNP their lofty objectives are limited to fleecing their supporters of contributions and stealing the money, that and indulging in child mutilation policies and lunatic box ticking racism. The United Kingdom including Scotland will be a better place for the passing of the SNP. Isn't it paradoxical that the party that has done the most to crush a true Scottish identity, culture and history are the SNATS. When the Scottish nationalist party is led by a man called Humza from Pakistan and the parody isn't obvious then comedy has become reality.
The fall of Humza Useless means independence is dead for a generation. The only legacy of the SNATS is decline and decay.......
The resignation of Scottish First Minister Humza Yousaf is more than just the demise of a hapless nonentity who was never up to the job anyway.
It is a milestone marking the end, at last, of the SNAT's arrogant domination of Scottish politics for almost two decades. The Nationalists now face defeat in Westminster and Holyrood elections.
But most significantly of all, it symbolises the demise of the SNAT's defining goal of Scottish independence. That is now dead for a generation, if not longer. The Union is safe for the foreseeable future.
Those who wish to keep the Union intact are indebted to Yousaf, an unwitting ally to the cause. But, in truth, the SNAT's separatist project was coming off the rails even before he moved into Bute House 13 short, disastrous months ago.
Under his predecessor, Nicola Sturgeon, always given more credit for her political acumen by the London-based media than she ever deserved, the quest for independence had already run out of road.
The resignation of Scottish First Minister Humza Yousaf is a milestone marking the end of the SNP¿s arrogant domination of Scottish politics for almost two decades, writes Andrew Neil
At the same time, it was becoming clear that her government was making an unholy mess of the things that really mattered to Scots, like schools, hospitals and roads. No wonder she scuttled for the exit before the roof fell in, bequeathing Yousaf a weak hand which he proceeded to play badly.
Nobody should be surprised by this. Yousaf made a hash of everything he touched in government but, so shallow is the Holyrood gene pool, he could always count on being promoted to his next level of incompetence.
Like many an over-confident public school boy who never had a proper job outside politics, he seemed to think he could glide through life without being overburdened by homework or preparation.
He is by no means a bad man, or even nasty. But vanity and stupidity can be a fatal cocktail.
As transport minister he failed to deliver two ferries for Scotland's poorly-served western islands which were meant to become operational on his watch. (Years late and tens of millions over budget they have still to start service.)
He made no progress in turning the A9, Scotland's most dangerous road, into a dual carriageway. But he did become the first ever transport minister to be pulled over for driving without insurance.
As justice minister, he fathered the ludicrous hate crime legislation which has tarnished Scotland's global reputation for free speech and became a national joke on implementation.
As health minister he left Scotland's NHS in even worse shape than he found it, which was quite an achievement since he had taken over during the pandemic. The recent Covid inquiry hearings revealed a health minister out of his depth.
Despite far greater funding than the English NHS, barely one significant health target was met while he was in charge and now, for the first time, private healthcare is booming north of the border.
A track record of failure like this should have disqualified him from becoming First Minister. But it didn't. He had Sturgeon's blessing, he was amiable, young and progressive. His sister had once dubbed him 'Humza Useless'. He proceeded to live up to the nickname she gave him.
The SNP was in turmoil by the time Nicola Sturgeon stepped down, with membership in freefall and the police all over the party like a rash, says Andrew Neil
The SNP was in turmoil by the time Nicola Sturgeon stepped down, with membership in freefall and the police all over the party like a rash, says Andrew Neil
'I will not trade my principles to stay in power,' he said in his resignation statement yesterday. In fact, he has no principles. He merely mouthed fashionable progressive platitudes, which went unchallenged in the Left-wing echo chamber he inhabited. It made him inclined to go along with every madcap scheme the SNP's Green coalition partners proposed.
His political touch was tenuous. He pitched himself as 'Continuity Sturgeon' just as her reputation was being trashed.
He hitched himself to the gender self-identification zealots, promoted by the Greens, even though they had already done much to undermine Sturgeon's standing with a Scottish public which is much more socially conservative than its political elite. He bought into impossible cuts in climate emission standards by 2030, requiring the hugely unpopular removal of one million gas boilers.
He brought a slapstick, Keystone Cops element to the corridors of power. The SNP camper van seized by the police and the police tent erected on Sturgeon's garden had already made Scotland something of a laughing stock but Yousaf did his bit to add to the gaiety of the nation: falling off his scooter in a Holyrood corridor, struggling with scissors as he tried to cut a ribbon at an office opening, bleating that he 'didn't mean... to make them [the Greens] angry' when he terminated the SNP's power-sharing agreement.
His failure to see this and the fact he was bereft of a Plan B was what brought him down in the end and suggests he's not really suited to politics. There were times when he made even Liz Truss look competent. His departure leaves the SNP in tatters.
The two modern giants of Scottish Nationalism are much diminished. The SNP was in turmoil by the time Sturgeon stepped down, with membership in freefall and the police all over the party like a rash. Her husband, until recently the SNP chief executive, faces embezzlement charges, her hopes of becoming an elder stateswoman on the international stage now dashed.
When her predecessor and mentor Alex Salmond went on trial for various sexual assault charges, he was acquitted on all counts bar one 'not proven'. But what we learned in that trial sullied his reputation irretrievably.
When it comes to its best-known faces, the SNP is not in a good place.
Then there's its record after 17 years in power. With independence a distant pipe dream once more, that is all it has to fall back on. It is not much to boast about.
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Decline and decay have been the order of the day. By 1900, more than one in five of the world's ships were being built on the Clyde. Now it can't even manage two island ferries. An education system, in which a kid like me from a council estate (or 'scheme' in Scotland) could get a world-class education at a 16th century school (Paisley Grammar) and a 15th century university (Glasgow), is in sad decline. Scottish schools have plummeted down the international league tables.
The attainment gap — a measure of the difference between the performance of poor and affluent children — has widened so that for the first time in recorded history a poor English kid gets a better education than a poor Scottish kid.
And places at Scottish universities for Scots students are being cut (they pay no fees so the places have to be rationed), while overseas students — who pay full fees — are welcomed in ever larger numbers.
More fundamentally, the SNP has done nothing to reposition Scotland for success in the 21st century.
Its financial services have never really recovered from the Great Crash of 2008: famous names such as Bank of Scotland, Royal Bank and Standard Life are either no more or a shadow of their former selves.
North Sea oil, on which the SNAT once said it could build a prosperous independent Scotland, is in decline — and the party now wants to phase it out altogether.
Glasgow is mired in urban squalor once more, its sanitation workers fearful of being bitten by rats. Even affluent Edinburgh is fraying at the edges. World-famous Princes Street is a disgrace.
Yousaf's political career has ended and the SNP dream of separation has ended in a rude awakening. The United Kingdom will remain intact. This is to be celebrated.
But much damage has been inflicted on Scotland. Those responsible for the vandalism will soon be gone. But who will put it right is uncertain.
The Tories won't be given the chance and, on many policies, Scottish Labour is too often just SNP-lite.
A Scottish renaissance would be the best way to bury separatism for ever. It remains, alas, some way off.
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 30, 2024 7:09:48 GMT
Well the first issue is of course that now he's gone the TORY motion of confidence in HIM as First Minister is toast
The only issue now is whether his departure will pull the teeth from te Labour one which was a constittional vote of no confidence in the government that would by definiton if lost precipitate a general election
The reality then is whether the SNP's divergence into green wokery and gender crap will find a home elsewhere (labour, certainly, Alba maybe not so much) and the obvious recipient of independence minded voters disgusted at Hamza's party, if there are any, is Alba
Of course, if they find a rousing replacement (where's the lol icon) then the SNP may find an election provides an INCREASED number of seats and a majority in the parliament, wouldn't that be interesting.
A thoughtful post, in amongst the rubbish spouted by the usual suspects. The Libs and a couple of Tories as well as Labour backed GRR. It wasn't just the SNP (7 voted against) and the Greens www.parliament.scot/chamber-and-committees/votes-and-motions/S6M-06459I don't think the Greens will vote on the motion. They'll probably abstain. The SNP doesn't need much of a push to widen the gap between them and Labour. A new leader could be the catalyst that will bring success from the present dismal outlook. To me, John Swinney, who seems to be being touted as the favourite to become FM, is not the man who will take the party back to the heady heights it rose to after the Referendum Indeed I liken the gender bollocks to the organ theft scandal of 2009 The issue split Plaid apart. Half their elected arseholes were so drunk on the power to steal english organs they did not stop to rejoice. When my initial demand to opt out was ‘lost in the system’ i found a most unlikely ally in my campaign to be cremated intact apart from the bits taken by the coroner’s pathologist and have those bits follow me when they’re done (most, like emma, never are) in the Plaid MEP who when i asked why she was so keen to help given her party stance replied because she thought the whole idea of taking without express consent utterly wrong, and that too many of her party saw it as power over the english which made it worth imposing the same wrongness on their own supporters … I really had hoped, and i still do hope, the planned Labour No Confidence vote is tabled, and the SNP lose Because i think the resulting composition of the chamber after the election will be quite worth staying up all night to hear … assuming that is Scotland do it like England and declare in the wee small hours |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 30, 2024 7:40:51 GMT
Course they're dodgy. You use polls for support in the same way a drunk uses a lamp post for support rather than illumination. You absolutely ignore the practical flaws of your idea. You want Scotland to leave one political union only to join another (and instantly cease being independent), the political union you would join has its own customs border, tariffs etc, You would have to leave the UK customs union to join theirs. Meaning a hard border which Scotland would have to pay for. Scotland currently enjoys funding from the English via the Barnett formula. That would stop. Scotland would have to join the Euro and would lose fiscal independence. SNATS want to impose absurd gender recognition laws which would absolutely undermine women's rights. Do you want Scotland to be worse off socially, politically and economically? There. You've just agreed that "independence" as proposed by the anglophobes is nothing of the sort, offers nothing but trouble for Scotland and would cost a fortune resulting in the defence of our island being compromised and trade across our island becoming more England based. Abolish devolution instead. Ask the right questions and even you would vote to eradicate the monumental waste of cash that is Holyrood. The thing is, Vinny ….. Back in 2014 i found myself bored shitless getting paid a prime ministers ransom by an incompetent bunch of arse holes who could not retail their way out of a paper bag This left me with huge amounts of time on my hands and i used it to dig deeply into the situation at the time north of the border. I said then on several forums and other places the results of my digging led me to believe that a Scotland divorced from the rump of the UK might actually have been able to make a go of it. I said at the time, and nothing since has changed my mind about then, that Salmand was lying about one aspect of the process and deliberately obfuscating another, and the actual cost in the wallet to the average Scot would be hugely greater than Salmand said, BUT that if, and it was a big IF, IF the man quit his obfuscation, told the truth, laid the actual cost on the line and then the voters enfranchised to decide actually decided to bugger off, then they did, actually, back then, have a chance to make it work. That relied on the finances in place in the EU at the time and the fact the EU was then a two sided coin, with many of the states being utter basket cases far worse than an independent scotland, but the others were left dominated societies sold on the idea and practice of shovelling money like it was going out of fashion into those basket cases, and in that environment, in exchange for a pledge to join the Euro which Salmand knew was actually his only way forward, for his obfuscation regarding both keeping the pound long term AND being able to call on the Bank of England as a bank of last resort, which he refused to accept as fantasy right through Newsnight’s valiant attempts to force him to the truth, and signing up to Schengen which the Leftist SNP saw as the right thing to do, they could actually survive as a land mass in a federal European Union in much the same way the Basques and Catalans saw possible if they crawled out from under the Spanish yoke An additional bonus in my eyes was the admission that such a move would instantly eject the rump of the UK from the European Union for it would then not be the country that entered in 1973 and would have to commence re-entry negotiations on the same third party basis. One of the then ‘five presidents’ of the european clusterfuck, Barosso, make this fact starkly clear and was dismissed roundly as talking bollocks, but he was not, and the forced ejection of the Rump of The UK would be a godsend to the then far more Eurosceptic UK population That was then. A large part of the state response to pour cold water on Scottish Independence then was clearly hatred within the British State of the severance of that link which those elements would fight so hard to thwart the will of the people 2016-2021, thus exposing their infidelity and treachery, but that was all in the future I repeat that i determined it was possible, but it would be financially unpleasant in the early years, for a Scotland severed from its union with England Wales and Northern Ireland, to make its way as a subservient of Brussels as Eire was. Today, the economic hell that mass invasion of the EU by economic migrants, and the eradication of sovereign wealth caused by the Chinese Pox, makes the EU a very different entity and Scotland would most certainly be a net CONTRIBUTOR to the EU not a net RECIPIENT as it would then have been. I have grave doubts the people would enjoy it. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 30, 2024 7:44:37 GMT
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Post by om15 on Apr 30, 2024 9:47:22 GMT
SNP supporters want Nicola Sturgeon back as First Minister. It is incredible.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 30, 2024 10:23:25 GMT
How the SNAT's broke Scotland...... Ayatola bagpipes’s resignation is another step in the Scottish National Party’s collapse across the country. It is now, for the first time in years, behind Labour in the polls. And support for Scottish independence, despite a general dislike of Westminster, continues to lag behind unionism....
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Post by Ripley on Apr 30, 2024 13:23:51 GMT
Very highbrow Ripley, but in the case of the SNP their lofty objectives are limited to fleecing their supporters of contributions and stealing the money, that and indulging in child mutilation policies and lunatic box ticking racism. The United Kingdom including Scotland will be a better place for the passing of the SNP. I'm not referring to the SNP, but to the Scottish people. Whatever you think of the SNP doesn't alter the fact that the Scots have a right to their language, culture and independence if they want it. Wanting self determination is what triggers these claims of anti-English xenophobia against them. But Scottish independence isn't an act against England. It is purely about Scotland. |
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Post by om15 on Apr 30, 2024 15:25:48 GMT
I suppose if the people of Scotland felt so strongly about independence they would have voted for it rather than voting to remain.
The support for Scottish independence south of the border is just as robust as ever, the English are weary of have to fund a third world basket case and being insulted on a daily basis whilst doing so.
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