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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 29, 2024 14:36:23 GMT
I've already told you the 'Establishment' and I don't mean weak as piss water Sunak, I mean the REAL powers.
" The Establishment a group or class of people having institutional authority within a society, esp those who control the civil service, the government, the armed forces, and the Church: usually identified with a conservative outlook".
That's just a dictionary definition of a word.
Although I dislike the guy, I think Owen Jones got it when he wrote:
Definitions of "the establishment" share one thing in common: they are always pejorative. Rightwingers tend to see it as the national purveyor of a rampant, morally corrupting social liberalism; for the left, it is more likely to mean a network of public-school and Oxbridge boys dominating the key institutions of British political life.
[.........................] Today's establishment is made up â as it has always been â of powerful groups that need to protect their position in a democracy in which almost the entire adult population has the right to vote. The establishment represents an attempt on behalf of these groups to "manage" democracy, to make sure that it does not threaten their own interests. In this respect, it might be seen as a firewall that insulates them from the wider population.
In other words, depending on the concern, various groups that share similar opinions do what they can to counter opposition...
Look I'm not being funny, but if you don't know who the real establishment is then you are a bit naive to say the least, if you think Sunak is the 'real' leader and governs this country well so be it, but in reality he's basically a figure head for the establishment, and I think they aren't far off giving him the boot, they've already done away with two former Tory leaders. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 29, 2024 14:38:38 GMT
Oh and BTW in reality Starmer is already pulling more strings than Sunak, the establishment is paving the way for the EU worshiping bum licking Europhile Starmer/Blair and Co.
Not the Best
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Post by patman post on Apr 29, 2024 14:47:54 GMT
Oh and BTW in reality Starmer is already pulling more strings than Sunak, the establishment is paving the way for the EU worshiping bum licking Europhile Starmer/Blair and Co. Not the Best You'll have to do a lot more to convince me that what you appear to have picked up from some brand of conspiracy theorists is any more than coalitions of similar interests wanting to protect their positions... |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 29, 2024 14:51:20 GMT
Wait and see, there will be a news/media blackout on what's going on in Ireland, because they don't want it spreading and causing unrest all over the UK. I'm not saying you're wrong â but who is going to impose or orchestrate "a news/media blackout on what's going on in Ireland"...?The lefty virtue signalling snowflake establishment as they always do.. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 29, 2024 14:55:49 GMT
Oh and BTW in reality Starmer is already pulling more strings than Sunak, the establishment is paving the way for the EU worshiping bum licking Europhile Starmer/Blair and Co. Not the Best You'll have to do a lot more to convince me that what you appear to have picked up from some brand of conspiracy theorists is any more than coalitions of similar interests wanting to protect their positions... There is no proof that human emitted CO2 will warm the planet but there is evidence that the planet is warming and CO2 is increasing. It is not a conspiracy theory to say it is happening is it? However it is now a conspiracy theory that the MSM is being controlled and directed to a certain level when the evidence that it is is all over the shop with how the news is framed and what news is reported. Stories in the main are reported in the same way and with the same emphasis with the general exception of GB news and that is the target of closure demands consistently. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 29, 2024 15:33:31 GMT
Even though no planes have taken off yet the Rwanda plan is already working as a deterrent, much to the annoyance of the French and Irish. And to add to their annoyance, Denmark The Netherlands and Germany who have seen it's working as a deterrent, are also considering a UK style Rwanda plan of their own. Stop press. Currently listening to a report that says Ursula von Der Leyen, the unelected president of Europe, has announced that the EU will seek third party deals in which immigrants are sent to other countries. She just couldn't bring herself to call it a Rwanda plan, lol. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 29, 2024 15:42:43 GMT
Hold on, it's not driving them back to France or further south. And the gangs have always made more money the further they take people. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 29, 2024 15:45:13 GMT
Well I know of 850,000 of them will be welcome.
China's population is shrinking. While the massive country is still home to 1.4 billion people â nearly one out of every five people on Earth â China's National Bureau of Statistics announced that its population shrank in 2022, falling by roughly 850,000 people.
Ship them out there.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 29, 2024 15:55:50 GMT
Hold on, it's not driving them back to France or further south. And the gangs have always made more money the further they take people. It's taking them back to the EU. Which will put pressure on the EU to prevent them from entering in the first place.
Which will further disincentivise them.
Unless Sir Bum Licker trashes it, it will work.
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Post by Vinny on Apr 29, 2024 16:02:17 GMT
Sweden and Germany were already getting more illegal immigrants than we were, and when moronic Merkel was Chancellor of Germany she was basically of the "migrants welcome" school of thought.
I don't think those in positions of influence in the EU have any idea what life is actually like for normal people, or the damage that is being done by the smuggling gangs.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 29, 2024 18:18:50 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Apr 30, 2024 7:20:33 GMT
EUSSR set to 'follow Britain's lead' as manifesto plans to copy Rwanda-style asylum deportation deal..... The EUSSR will âfollow Britainâs leadâ after Ursula von der Leyenâs party has proposed Rwanda-style asylum deals with third countries. The European Commissionerâs European Peopleâs Party (EPP) has said it wants to âimplement the concept of safe third countriesâ. âAnyone applying for asylum in the EUSSR could also be transferred to a safe third country and undergo the asylum process there,â the manifesto said. âWe are committed to the fundamental right to asylum, but the EUSSR, together with its member states, must have the right to decide whom and where it is granted.
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 30, 2024 9:29:41 GMT
EUSSR set to 'follow Britain's lead' as manifesto plans to copy Rwanda-style asylum deportation deal..... The EUSSR will âfollow Britainâs leadâ after Ursula von der Leyenâs party has proposed Rwanda-style asylum deals with third countries. The European Commissionerâs European Peopleâs Party (EPP) has said it wants to âimplement the concept of safe third countriesâ. âAnyone applying for asylum in the EUSSR could also be transferred to a safe third country and undergo the asylum process there,â the manifesto said. âWe are committed to the fundamental right to asylum, but the EUSSR, together with its member states, must have the right to decide whom and where it is granted.
You know the obvious lies (the link makes no mention of the entirely made up in your head EUSSR) you put in there detract from the real truth of the link. And it shows you to be supremely childish, with you post being nothing more than some primary school playground "n'ah n'ah I am going to call you a nasty name, because it makes me feel big and clever" - when in fact it makes you look fucking retarded. All The Best |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 30, 2024 9:50:45 GMT
EUSSR set to 'follow Britain's lead' as manifesto plans to copy Rwanda-style asylum deportation deal..... The EUSSR will âfollow Britainâs leadâ after Ursula von der Leyenâs party has proposed Rwanda-style asylum deals with third countries. The European Commissionerâs European Peopleâs Party (EPP) has said it wants to âimplement the concept of safe third countriesâ. âAnyone applying for asylum in the EUSSR could also be transferred to a safe third country and undergo the asylum process there,â the manifesto said. âWe are committed to the fundamental right to asylum, but the EUSSR, together with its member states, must have the right to decide whom and where it is granted.
You know the obvious lies (the link makes no mention of the entirely made up in your head EUSSR) you put in there detract from the real truth of the link. And it shows you to be supremely childish, with you post being nothing more than some primary school playground "n'ah n'ah I am going to call you a nasty name, because it makes me feel big and clever" - when in fact it makes you look fucking retarded. All The Best This offers nothing to the debate, and as a newbie on here you sure do like to throw your righteous weight around. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 30, 2024 10:28:25 GMT
EUSSR set to 'follow Britain's lead' as manifesto plans to copy Rwanda-style asylum deportation deal..... The EUSSR will âfollow Britainâs leadâ after Ursula von der Leyenâs party has proposed Rwanda-style asylum deals with third countries. The European Commissionerâs European Peopleâs Party (EPP) has said it wants to âimplement the concept of safe third countriesâ. âAnyone applying for asylum in the EUSSR could also be transferred to a safe third country and undergo the asylum process there,â the manifesto said. âWe are committed to the fundamental right to asylum, but the EUSSR, together with its member states, must have the right to decide whom and where it is granted.
You know the obvious lies (the link makes no mention of the entirely made up in your head EUSSR) you put in there detract from the real truth of the link. And it shows you to be supremely childish, with you post being nothing more than some primary school playground "n'ah n'ah I am going to call you a nasty name, because it makes me feel big and clever" - when in fact it makes you look fucking retarded. All The Best ....Thats called debate that is...You should try it sometime PV rather than troll the forum....... |
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