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Post by buccaneer on Apr 28, 2024 1:07:11 GMT
I can’t wait for some lefty to explain how ireland can do that to us while we can’t do it to France. Either that or they can explain why Ireland shouldn't be able to do that to the UK.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 28, 2024 4:19:31 GMT
I can’t wait for some lefty to explain how ireland can do that to us while we can’t do it to France. You will grow a very long beard whilst waiting mate...The lefties steer well clear when it suits...
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Post by sandypine on Apr 28, 2024 6:56:45 GMT
Would you support any Irish plan to pass them back to the UK? It would have to be an EU plan would it not which would complicate the issue as there would have to be a clear line of arrival in the UK and then movement to Ireland. Which puts the ball back into the EU court as legality is an EU competence is it not?
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Post by sandypine on Apr 28, 2024 7:00:48 GMT
Would you support any Irish plan to pass them back to the UK? As i pointed out, which done seem to have overlooked, ANY person in the republic can LEGALLY enter the UK to work fir six months. I forsee an upswing in stena line sailings Is that not any Citizen of the republic?
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 28, 2024 8:24:08 GMT
So how are they going to get past breaking EU migration rules? Dublin is part of the EU, not the UK, so they have to adhere to EU rules, so I have to idea why they think they can demand the UK take back their FOM. All EU citizens and their family members have the right to move and reside freely within the EU. This fundamental right is established by Article 21 of the Treaty on the functioning of the European Union and Article 45 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights.
Including Dublin ^^
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 28, 2024 8:26:11 GMT
That won't apply to asylum seekers as they are not EU citizens.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 28, 2024 8:28:42 GMT
That won't apply to asylum seekers as they are not EU citizens. What difference does that make? The problem is the EUSSR want two sets of rules when they are in the shit of their own making.
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 28, 2024 8:29:53 GMT
That won't apply to asylum seekers as they are not EU citizens. I was talking about FOM they don't have to be Asylum seekers, Dublin has to accept them as part of the FOM, so they do not need Asylum status, all they have to do is tell them they are from France.
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 28, 2024 8:32:03 GMT
That's incorrect. Freedom of Movement doesn't apply.
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 28, 2024 8:32:21 GMT
That won't apply to asylum seekers as they are not EU citizens. As people like you who have been telling us for years, they've ended up in Eire via UK, like many of ours end up in the UK from France, and therefore it is our problem to deal with them. Therefore, going by this kind of logic (you can't have it both ways), they are Ireland's problem.
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 28, 2024 8:35:36 GMT
That won't apply to asylum seekers as they are not EU citizens. As people like you who have been telling us for years, they've ended up in Eire via UK, like many of ours end up in the UK from France, and therefore it is our problem to deal with them. Therefore, going by this kind of logic (you can't have it both ways), they are Ireland's problem. People like me? Wow, I have an ilk! 😂 Actually my point is that you can't have a national solution to a global problem. Ireland's solution will be no more effective than our own. Rishi just looks like Canute trying to turn the tide.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 28, 2024 8:35:52 GMT
That's incorrect. Freedom of Movement doesn't apply. Of course it bloody does....
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 28, 2024 8:36:23 GMT
As i pointed out, which done seem to have overlooked, ANY person in the republic can LEGALLY enter the UK to work fir six months. I forsee an upswing in stena line sailings Is that not any Citizen of the republic? That was certainly not the case for Juan Charles De Menezes was it An Argentinian, in Britain on a TOURIST visa, working illegally in London as an electrician. Whether he was one or not i do not know. I will for the time being give his corpse the benefit of the doubt, and let us say he was, at the time, of sufficient skill and training to match my brother’s qualification as one gained through an apprenticeship at British Steel, Llanwern. The point here is that he was working in the UK illegally And the day after that useless piece of shit who rose to run the Met off the back of her order to shoot him gave that order, her boss IAN Blair stood up and denounced him as a terrorist who was both an illegal immigrant AND working in Lindon’s Black Economy Illegally He had to reverse all of that in a rather embarrassing fashion after it was revealed by several newspapers, but i must have read it in The Guardian, because i didn’t pay to read it, that he had, a month or so before his execution, heard from neighbours who also pursued work in the black and grey economy that he should, because he had got wind of having been rumbled as an illegal, find a way to enter the Irish Republic, and register his (re)entry to the UK from there, because the agreements then in place allowed anyone to enter the UK from Eire and use an arrangement in place from the days when we used Irish Navvies as unskilled manual labour to gain tbe tight to legally work in the UK for six months Those were the words i read, almost verbatim, and off the back of them the Met had to admit that he was neither a terrorist NOR at tbe time of his killing was he illegally in the UK I can’t imagine them saying that if their lawyers told them that only applied to Irish Citizens can you Not least because at the time we were in the EEC which allowed such movement, although admittedly not to the degree the infamous Lisbon treaty would permit a few years later While checking dates on that i tripped over a page revealing the lawyers trying to get a murder rap on the trigger happy buggers who shot him worked for Blair’s bitch Cherie What a fucking surprise that was. Not
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Post by jonksy on Apr 28, 2024 8:36:41 GMT
As people like you who have been telling us for years, they've ended up in Eire via UK, like many of ours end up in the UK from France, and therefore it is our problem to deal with them. Therefore, going by this kind of logic (you can't have it both ways), they are Ireland's problem. People like me? Wow, I have an ilk! 😂 Actually my point is that you can't have a national solution to a global problem. Ireland's solution will be no more effective than our own. Rishi just looks like Canute trying to turn the tide. Yep.....Does the truth hurt?
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 28, 2024 8:37:26 GMT
That's incorrect. Freedom of Movement doesn't apply. Of course it bloody does.... You need to read Fairsociety's post above. The regulation he quoted was correct, it was his interpretation of it that wasn't.
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