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Post by Pacifico on Apr 27, 2024 10:56:08 GMT
We have far too much regulation and taxes that are way too high - so it's not surprising that High Net Worth Individuals (who pay most of the tax) are now fleeing the UK only to be replaced by penniless Somalians pitching up on a beach in Kent.
Well done the Tories - you have fucked the UK.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 27, 2024 11:51:00 GMT
He is a complete disaster, he turned the Tories red, wanted to invite China in to this country, took money from greensill, is EU oriented, and is a count. He is a poltical pox. It's better than effectively raising the VAT rate to anything up to about 70-80% on some goods we need to import from them. This will trash attempts to keep inflation under control and will lead to higher interest rates to dampen consumer demand.
This is what the EU is planning to do and Labour plan to realign our systems to their rules. Of course all this extra tax will be used to fund legal aid to make our schools fit Muslim prayer rooms and that kind of fucking bollox.
Wouldn't you just rather have the freedom to buy what you want without excessive taxation used agaisnt your interests? OK well of course we will be told to do this to save ourselves from the terrible Chinese and other bollox.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 27, 2024 12:02:35 GMT
Yes indeed, Conservatives believe in the free market and small government, Labour believe in a heavily regulated market and large government. However, this was not the reason Labour constituencies or 'the red wall' voted Tory in 2019. The single issue that most people in working class Labour constituencies voted on was immigration which since 2019 has got worse. So if Labour voters are still concerned about immigration, and why wouldn't they be, who do they vote for? A Labour party who openly say they will have a closer relationship with the EU and will inevitably allow more immigration, or a conservative party who since 2019 have done nothing to stop the invasion from the EU? It's a poser. You mention the NHS which is an anvil around the neck of every government. The opposition always use the NHS as a political hot potato to bash the government with, and governments are afraid to reform it because it's seen as such a sensitive issue. The result is an inefficient top heavy NHS that costs £billions and the reason things are unlikely to improve is because politicians always think short term, they throw more cash at the problem and say look how much we've spent. The NHS needs massive reform but it wont happen because politicians are frightened to touch it. You appear to be an ideological lefty, as such you will as a matter of course sneer at conservative policy and praise Labour policy, regardless of outcomes. But the fact is the British Conservative party is the most successful political party in the world, you will of course sneer, but it's a fact. Over the next five years (Assuming Labour win the election) we will see the current small 'c' conservative government change dramatically and move back to the centre right and once more become proper Conservatives, and after five years of a pro EU, pro immigration, pro net zero, pro woke Labour government, the country will be crying out for change. Firstly, your comment about The Most Successful Political Party in the free world, that would be the Liberal Party of Canada, a centre to centre Left political party which governed Canada for 70 years in the 20th century, and so far for 16 years in the 21st century, and in government today. Ideologically I would describe myself as a Social Democrat, partly because I know that that this style and type of Left is hugely successful, combining The Free Market with Social Justice, promoting BOTH enterprise and fair protections for the employee, the consumer, the tenant, the patient, the sick, the old, the vulnerable etc. The Conservative Party is too far in favour of the employer, the big business, the landlord, and often puts cost and profit over and above people. A very good example of what I mean has been in the news this week - ONE THIRD OF TORY MPs WHO ATTEMPTED TO WEAKEN / WATER DOWN TENANTS RIGHTS BILL ARE LANDLORDS. Its not a case of the Labour Party wanted a "heavily regulated market and big government", its actually a case of the Conservative Party wanting too little regulation, and leaving too many people open to abuses, unfair practices, unfair employment legislation, and vulnerable to public services which are either not fit for purpose or dont work properly. One of the biggest and most utterly shameful legacies of this government is the appaling state of childrens mental health services, and I know for CERTAIN that if Starmer becomes PM later this year, he will fix that problem, and its a problem that would never ever have happened under a Labour government. My simple motto in regard to politics is ... Capitalism With A Social Conscience Childrens mental health issues might be helped by a nuclear family that involves a mother and father , a society that doesn’t blame white men for everything and one without lrfties telling them that there are multiple genders . Children need stability. Starmer is merely going to promise ‘ more resources ‘while exacerbating issues that cause children anxiety. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 27, 2024 13:41:39 GMT
There is more chance of The Mediterranian Sea freezing over than there is of the UK leaving the ECHR The majority of Conservative MPs would not back leaving Virtually no Labour, Lib Dem or SNP MP's would vote to leave the ECHR If the polls are about the same come the general election, the Conservatives will be defeated, a battle for the party will then take place with traditional Conservatives fighting the Populists for control of the party - IF the populists win, and if something went badly wrong during Keir Starmers premiership ( a recession, another world crisis etc ), then maybe, just maybe it might happen. As I have already said, the vast majority of tory MP's are centrists or small 'c' conservatives. But after 5 years of a pro EU, pro immigrant, pro net zero, pro woke Labour government, the Conservatives will have moved back to the centre right because that's what voters will demand. The problem with the Tories is that in 2010 they tried to move to a centre-right position, scared stiff of moving too far away from the extremely successful centre-left based "for the benefit of the many not the few" position of New Labour. If the Tories are not robbing the majority of working people in order to enrich the already rich, they are just found floundering. What the Tories have been up to over the last 13 years has absolutely nothing to do with what a New Labour government would have done, it has been a fuck-up all of their own making. But in true Tory tradition they, and or, their supporters, will try in some way to make it look like it is all about Labour's problems. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 27, 2024 13:48:24 GMT
As I have already said, the vast majority of tory MP's are centrists or small 'c' conservatives. But after 5 years of a pro EU, pro immigrant, pro net zero, pro woke Labour government, the Conservatives will have moved back to the centre right because that's what voters will demand. Traditional Conservatives belirve in "The Free Market" and low taxes, the privatisation of public services and minimum public services. These are the traditional Tory policies that most so called "working class people" wont vote for, and the Tories would have no chance of taking back The Red Wall. Last time Labour were in government, they repaired all the neglect and damage done to our NHS, much to the satisfaction of the British public, they did much for ordinary people, for working people on low incomes, helped families and single parents with things like SureStart and working tax credits. The ONLY reason that the Tories somehow managed to scrape to victory in 2010 with assistance from the Lib Dems, was because enough people believed the pack of lies that the banking crisis and subsequent recession that followed was "all Labours fault". It took a world crisis plus a pack of lies to just about scrape to government in 2010 for Cameron, but would a different Tory leader ( after Sunak ) be so lucky. ? You don't get that much political honesty in many posts on this board. WELL DONE! |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 27, 2024 13:58:10 GMT
Traditional Conservatives belirve in "The Free Market" and low taxes, the privatisation of public services and minimum public services. These are the traditional Tory policies that most so called "working class people" wont vote for, and the Tories would have no chance of taking back The Red Wall. Last time Labour were in government, they repaired all the neglect and damage done to our NHS, much to the satisfaction of the British public, they did much for ordinary people, for working people on low incomes, helped families and single parents with things like SureStart and working tax credits. The ONLY reason that the Tories somehow managed to scrape to victory in 2010 with assistance from the Lib Dems, was because enough people believed the pack of lies that the banking crisis and subsequent recession that followed was "all Labours fault". It took a world crisis plus a pack of lies to just about scrape to government in 2010 for Cameron, but would a different Tory leader ( after Sunak ) be so lucky. ? You don't get that much political honesty in many posts on this board. WELL DONE! Now you've endorsed it, we know it's a load of nonsense. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 27, 2024 14:08:12 GMT
Traditional conservativism was about family , Christian values, self support and love of the our country .
It wasn’t about shafting the workers . Labour and Tories do this shamelessly.
The truth is that all these values have been rinsed out of society by lefties that have infected the fabric of society.
The current Tory leaders have no idea what conservative values are so they latch on to any idea or concept that they think can pass as conservative.
Richi thinks stopping the boats is a ‘ conservative ‘ idea . It’s not. A society with conservative values that would put its own first and insist that people from outside the UK adopt the UKs conservatives values is a conservative society.
That society would be alien enough to immigrants with a parasitic intent ( cultural,or economic) as to dissuade them from coming. There us a difference .
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Post by patman post on Apr 27, 2024 14:26:24 GMT
Traditional conservativism was about family , Christian values, self support and love of the our country . It wasn’t about shafting the workers . Labour and Tories do this shamelessly. The truth is that all these values have been rinsed out of society by lefties that have infected the fabric of society. The current Tory leaders have no idea what conservative values are so they latch on to any idea or concept that they think can pass as conservative. Richi thinks stopping the boats is a ‘ conservative ‘ idea . It’s not. A society with conservative values that would put its own first and insist that people from outside the UK adopt the UKs conservatives values is a conservative society. That society would be alien enough to immigrants with a parasitic intent ( cultural,or economic) as to dissuade them from coming. There us a difference . You forgot Empire! And that even got the working class on side, letting Labour into power for just 27 years since 1900. Now "Empire" has morphed into all the jingoistic rhetoric that's just excuses for the failure of Brexit...
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 27, 2024 14:50:40 GMT
Traditional conservativism was about family , Christian values, self support and love of the our country . It wasn’t about shafting the workers . Labour and Tories do this shamelessly. The truth is that all these values have been rinsed out of society by lefties that have infected the fabric of society. The current Tory leaders have no idea what conservative values are so they latch on to any idea or concept that they think can pass as conservative. Richi thinks stopping the boats is a ‘ conservative ‘ idea . It’s not. A society with conservative values that would put its own first and insist that people from outside the UK adopt the UKs conservatives values is a conservative society. That society would be alien enough to immigrants with a parasitic intent ( cultural,or economic) as to dissuade them from coming. There us a difference . You forgot Empire! And that even got the working class on side, letting Labour into power for just 27 years since 1900. Now "Empire" has morphed into all the jingoistic rhetoric that's just excuses for the failure of Brexit...
WW2 was the biggest reason we lost the empire and the other reason was WW1. We had grown in territory from WW2 but we were broke. The ratio between the number of people that controlled the Indian land vs the size of the population was tiny. It could only be achieved through high intelligence and the idea you get local support for what you do. Once the idea took hold that as country could get its independence it all toppled almost at once, so we could not be in every place at once. Once you lose the trust of the people you are done for. We did some stupid stuff as well. We were not straight up with them. |
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 27, 2024 14:54:43 GMT
"The Left" In this country emerged because ordinary people ( the working class ) desparately needed a political party to speak up for them, to fight back against poverty, the greed of industrialists, to give people a safety net from hunger and want, and to give us a National Health Service. Times change and the goals and aims of the two main political parties change, but the basic principles of the old Labour Party still stand. Labour was born out of the desire of hard working people to better themselves, through having life chances that the greedy Tories and their friends, the mill owners and mine owners would never give them. I remember the last Labour Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, restoring Workers Rights that Thatcher took off them, and then came the coalition and yet again MORE Workers Rights taken away ... Why ? Link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMyY1hTqTzcHow families ought to be - according to the Conservative Party |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 27, 2024 15:01:45 GMT
As I have already said, the vast majority of tory MP's are centrists or small 'c' conservatives. But after 5 years of a pro EU, pro immigrant, pro net zero, pro woke Labour government, the Conservatives will have moved back to the centre right because that's what voters will demand. The problem with the Tories is that in 2010 they tried to move to a centre-right position, scared stiff of moving too far away from the extremely successful centre-left based "for the benefit of the many not the few" position of New Labour. If the Tories are not robbing the majority of working people in order to enrich the already rich, they are just found floundering. What the Tories have been up to over the last 13 years has absolutely nothing to do with what a New Labour government would have done, it has been a fuck-up all of their own making. But in true Tory tradition they, and or, their supporters, will try in some way to make it look like it is all about Labour's problems. Don't be daft. How on earth could the Tories in 2010 having just entered into a coalition with the LibDems possibly move to the centre right. The Con/Lib coalition marked the start of the centre right Conservative collapse, which was continued by Mrs May, Boris and Sunak. Liz Truss was the only centre right Conservative prime minister we have had in recent years, and the way she was treated is testament to the fact that the conservative party are not, for the moment, a centre right party. You say 'what the Tories have been up to over the last 13 years' (I assume you mean 14 years) however the Tories have not been in power for the past 14 years. The Tories have been in power since 2015. And I agree, they could have done better. If they had pursued centre right Conservative policies rather than pandering to the centrists in the party I'm sure their fortunes would have been different. Boris may have been an engaging showman, but he was never a centre right Conservative, and besides, regardless of government covid changed everything. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2024 15:03:12 GMT
We have far too much regulation and taxes that are way too high - so it's not surprising that High Net Worth Individuals (who pay most of the tax) are now fleeing the UK only to be replaced by penniless Somalians pitching up on a beach in Kent. Well done the Tories - you have fucked the UK. Yep, the working classes were smeared by the Left and their communities flattened for the Left's new found Islamist mates, so they supported the Tories (Boris types) because they had no choice. The Tories have now shat on everyone for more of the same. I know foreign backers are funding the Jew hatred we see today, so they probably own these current politicians, too. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 27, 2024 16:05:43 GMT
We have far too much regulation and taxes that are way too high - so it's not surprising that High Net Worth Individuals (who pay most of the tax) are now fleeing the UK only to be replaced by penniless Somalians pitching up on a beach in Kent. Well done the Tories - you have fucked the UK. Yep, the working classes were smeared by the Left and their communities flattened for the Left's new found Islamist mates, so they supported the Tories (Boris types) because they had no choice. The Tories have now shat on everyone for more of the same. I know foreign backers are funding the Jew hatred we see today, so they probably own these current politicians, too.
quotes from wiki
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Post by jonksy on Apr 27, 2024 16:10:38 GMT
Yep, the working classes were smeared by the Left and their communities flattened for the Left's new found Islamist mates, so they supported the Tories (Boris types) because they had no choice. The Tories have now shat on everyone for more of the same. I know foreign backers are funding the Jew hatred we see today, so they probably own these current politicians, too.
quotes from wiki
And the same source and article states that the UK have well over a million mossies.....BVL |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 27, 2024 16:18:21 GMT
Traditional conservativism was about family , Christian values, self support and love of the our country . It wasn’t about shafting the workers . Labour and Tories do this shamelessly. The truth is that all these values have been rinsed out of society by lefties that have infected the fabric of society. The current Tory leaders have no idea what conservative values are so they latch on to any idea or concept that they think can pass as conservative. Richi thinks stopping the boats is a ‘ conservative ‘ idea . It’s not. A society with conservative values that would put its own first and insist that people from outside the UK adopt the UKs conservatives values is a conservative society. That society would be alien enough to immigrants with a parasitic intent ( cultural,or economic) as to dissuade them from coming. There us a difference . You forgot Empire! And that even got the working class on side, letting Labour into power for just 27 years since 1900. Now "Empire" has morphed into all the jingoistic rhetoric that's just excuses for the failure of Brexit...
Thanks for confirming this “The truth is that all these values have been rinsed out of society by lefties that have infected the fabric of society.” The working classes were never obsessed by Empire ffs . The working class were shat on by the elite until after WW2. This is the kind of crap fed to the educated ignoramus by white lefties. It’s the ex remainers who want to see us join the EU quasi empire are obsessed by empire , not the ones who successfully campaigned to leave the EU . |
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