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Post by Red Rackham on May 1, 2024 0:22:30 GMT
I'll tell you what rules are funny Oracle. The EU state of Ireland decreed that Rwanda is not a safe country which means they cannot send illegals back to the UK, LOLS. This makes no sense. Lets not be silly, I know that's going to be difficult but hey, try. The High Court in the EU state of Ireland decreed that Rwanda is not a safe country therefore immigrants should not be sent there. But the UK is sending immigrants to Rwanda which has apparently caused an influx of illegals to enter Ireland from Northern Ireland. The Irish government are now flapping because their own legislation forbids them from returning migrants to the UK. And of course, if Ireland do return migrants to the UK, why shouldn't the UK return migrants to the EU?
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Post by buccaneer on May 1, 2024 2:49:47 GMT
No. The reason the UK cant send people who arrive in boats back to the EU is because of EU rules. You left the one EU rule that could have allowed it, the Dublin Agreement. I suggest you do some reading before you continue posting imaginary "facts". The UK has its own rules now Kim. Just like every other nation in the world. Exactly, we left the Dublin Agreement because we are governed by our own rules, silly billy. The UK does not have to take illegals back from the EU (Eire) and can deport their illegals to Rwanda. Thanks to the French, the Irish are stuck with our unwanted illegals as a deterrent effect of Rwanda Policy that has been legalised by UK Parliament MAKING ITS OWN RULES! These are facts sweetheart.
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Post by oracle75 on May 1, 2024 14:35:36 GMT
No. The reason the UK cant send people who arrive in boats back to the EU is because of EU rules. You left the one EU rule that could have allowed it, the Dublin Agreement. I suggest you do some reading before you continue posting imaginary "facts". The UK has its own rules now Kim. Just like every other nation in the world. Exactly, we left the Dublin Agreement because we are governed by our own rules, silly billy. The UK does not have to take illegals back from the EU (Eire) and can deport their illegals to Rwanda. Thanks to the French, the Irish are stuck with our unwanted illegals as a deterrent effect of Rwanda Policy that has been legalised by UK Parliament MAKING ITS OWN RULES! These are facts sweetheart. Oh puleeze. The UK is rewriting the EU "rules" which uses Turkey intead of Rwanda as an outlet. You are just rediscovering the wheel. The rest is a myth based on one day's news and one politician's comments. Ireland has always had an immigration problem . They arrive from Spain and Morocco...in fact there are fzrries which they use and which your press never mentions. If you are conncerned about immigration, do some research on Ukranian and HongKong immigrants who have legal routes into the UK and then ask yourself why there arent any such routes for the refugees who fought with the west in a war e generated, and where they are now enemies of the state which defeated us. The UN and EU has supported huge camps in Jordan and Turkey . Why wont you work with them?? Because you are far more interested in NOT working with other organisations and because the Tories want to seem to be the individual saviours of the island of Britain, impressively warding off the foe, no matter how much money it costs. I have yet to see any new UK law which deviates from EU law and which has improved the quality of anyone's life. If you think rhere are such laws, please list them.
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Post by oracle75 on May 1, 2024 14:40:02 GMT
Lets not be silly, I know that's going to be difficult but hey, try. The High Court in the EU state of Ireland decreed that Rwanda is not a safe country therefore immigrants should not be sent there. But the UK is sending immigrants to Rwanda which has apparently caused an influx of illegals to enter Ireland from Northern Ireland. The Irish government are now flapping because their own legislation forbids them from returning migrants to the UK. And of course, if Ireland do return migrants to the UK, why shouldn't the UK return migrants to the EU? The UK did used to return migrants to the EU under the Dublin Agreement. You voted to trash that agreement. Now you have to find somewhere else to dump your migrants. Such is the price of non cooperation with a system that used to serve your needs.
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Post by Pacifico on May 1, 2024 16:08:47 GMT
The rest is a myth based on one day's news and one politician's comments. Ireland has always had an immigration problem . They arrive from Spain and Morocco...in fact there are fzrries which they use and which your press never mentions. If you are conncerned about immigration, do some research on Ukranian and HongKong immigrants who have legal routes into the UK and then ask yourself why there arent any such routes for the refugees who fought with the west in a war e generated, and where they are now enemies of the state which defeated us. There are it is called ARAP - Afghan Relocations and Assistance Policy.
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Post by buccaneer on May 1, 2024 20:39:49 GMT
The UK has its own rules now Kim. Just like every other nation in the world. Exactly, we left the Dublin Agreement because we are governed by our own rules, silly billy. The UK does not have to take illegals back from the EU (Eire) and can deport their illegals to Rwanda. Thanks to the French, the Irish are stuck with our unwanted illegals as a deterrent effect of Rwanda Policy that has been legalised by UK Parliament MAKING ITS OWN RULES! These are facts sweetheart. Oh puleeze. The UK is rewriting the EU "rules" which uses Turkey intead of Rwanda as an outlet. You are just rediscovering the wheel. The rest is a myth based on one day's news and one politician's comments. Ireland has always had an immigration problem . They arrive from Spain and Morocco...in fact there are fzrries which they use and which your press never mentions. If you are conncerned about immigration, do some research on Ukranian and HongKong immigrants who have legal routes into the UK and then ask yourself why there arent any such routes for the refugees who fought with the west in a war e generated, and where they are now enemies of the state which defeated us. The UN and EU has supported huge camps in Jordan and Turkey . Why wont you work with them?? Because you are far more interested in NOT working with other organisations and because the Tories want to seem to be the individual saviours of the island of Britain, impressively warding off the foe, no matter how much money it costs. I have yet to see any new UK law which deviates from EU law and which has improved the quality of anyone's life. If you think rhere are such laws, please list them. The UK has its own rules. It is no longer subservient to the EU. It may not have changed all existing EU rules, but they are now UK rules whether you like it or not. Trying to deny the UK has its own rules would pretty much mean Parliament doesn't exist and no other country on the planet has its own rules. As usual, you are being an extreme silly billy dear.
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Post by Red Rackham on May 2, 2024 11:26:11 GMT
Lets not be silly, I know that's going to be difficult but hey, try. The High Court in the EU state of Ireland decreed that Rwanda is not a safe country therefore immigrants should not be sent there. But the UK is sending immigrants to Rwanda which has apparently caused an influx of illegals to enter Ireland from Northern Ireland. The Irish government are now flapping because their own legislation forbids them from returning migrants to the UK. And of course, if Ireland do return migrants to the UK, why shouldn't the UK return migrants to the EU? The UK did used to return migrants to the EU under the Dublin Agreement. You voted to trash that agreement. Now you have to find somewhere else to dump your migrants. Such is the price of non cooperation with a system that used to serve your needs. Whoa there, the UK is not 'dumping migrants' in Ireland, moving back to the EU is entirely their choice. Although it must be said, such a move would receive enthusiastic support from a UK electorate who are sick to death of illegals entering the UK from the poxy EU. And it's also worth pointing out that several EU states are now considering there own Rwanda plan. Don't you think it's even slightly ironic that Macron is demanding the UK take back illegals who entered Ireland from the UK, but he flatly refuses to take back illegals who entered the UK from France. The man is a pillock.
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Post by oracle75 on May 2, 2024 16:03:48 GMT
Oh puleeze. The UK is rewriting the EU "rules" which uses Turkey intead of Rwanda as an outlet. You are just rediscovering the wheel. The rest is a myth based on one day's news and one politician's comments. Ireland has always had an immigration problem . They arrive from Spain and Morocco...in fact there are fzrries which they use and which your press never mentions. If you are conncerned about immigration, do some research on Ukranian and HongKong immigrants who have legal routes into the UK and then ask yourself why there arent any such routes for the refugees who fought with the west in a war e generated, and where they are now enemies of the state which defeated us. The UN and EU has supported huge camps in Jordan and Turkey . Why wont you work with them?? Because you are far more interested in NOT working with other organisations and because the Tories want to seem to be the individual saviours of the island of Britain, impressively warding off the foe, no matter how much money it costs. I have yet to see any new UK law which deviates from EU law and which has improved the quality of anyone's life. If you think rhere are such laws, please list them. The UK has its own rules. It is no longer subservient to the EU. It may not have changed all existing EU rules, but they are now UK rules whether you like it or not. Trying to deny the UK has its own rules would pretty much mean Parliament doesn't exist and no other country on the planet has its own rules. As usual, you are being an extreme silly billy dear. It would be a really refreshing change if you stop repeating your obvious points and actually address my points and answer my questions. So far I havent seen any material in your posts which tell me you have the least idea what the real life situation is. Once more . What laws/rules have the Brexit government made as different to those they inherited from the EU which have improved the lives of the people of the UK since 2016?
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Post by oracle75 on May 2, 2024 16:10:10 GMT
The UK did used to return migrants to the EU under the Dublin Agreement. You voted to trash that agreement. Now you have to find somewhere else to dump your migrants. Such is the price of non cooperation with a system that used to serve your needs. Whoa there, the UK is not 'dumping migrants' in Ireland, moving back to the EU is entirely their choice. Although it must be said, such a move would receive enthusiastic support from a UK electorate who are sick to death of illegals entering the UK from the poxy EU. And it's also worth pointing out that several EU states are now considering there own Rwanda plan. Don't you think it's even slightly ironic that Macron is demanding the UK take back illegals who entered Ireland from the UK, but he flatly refuses to take back illegals who entered the UK from France. The man is a pillock. Frznce and Ireland are both sovereeign states. What one does has no bearing on the other. I have no idea why you think Francz should take migrants who want to go to the UK. They have crossed several safe countries. Why shouldnt any of them be responsible for them? I already told you thz EU already has a "Rwanda plan". It is called migrant camps in Turkey. What is your problem? That you wont read or cannot read?
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Post by oracle75 on May 2, 2024 16:12:43 GMT
The rest is a myth based on one day's news and one politician's comments. Ireland has always had an immigration problem . They arrive from Spain and Morocco...in fact there are fzrries which they use and which your press never mentions. If you are conncerned about immigration, do some research on Ukranian and HongKong immigrants who have legal routes into the UK and then ask yourself why there arent any such routes for the refugees who fought with the west in a war e generated, and where they are now enemies of the state which defeated us. There are it is called ARAP - Afghan Relocations and Assistance Policy. Then why doesnt the UK use it? Maybe because Sunak wants to be seen as a cultural hero?
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Post by Pacifico on May 2, 2024 16:24:38 GMT
There are it is called ARAP - Afghan Relocations and Assistance Policy. Then why doesnt the UK use it? Maybe because Sunak wants to be seen as a cultural hero? what makes you think they haven't? - over 25000 have been resettled through the scheme so far
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Post by Red Rackham on May 2, 2024 16:36:44 GMT
Whoa there, the UK is not 'dumping migrants' in Ireland, moving back to the EU is entirely their choice. Although it must be said, such a move would receive enthusiastic support from a UK electorate who are sick to death of illegals entering the UK from the poxy EU. And it's also worth pointing out that several EU states are now considering there own Rwanda plan. Don't you think it's even slightly ironic that Macron is demanding the UK take back illegals who entered Ireland from the UK, but he flatly refuses to take back illegals who entered the UK from France. The man is a pillock. Frznce and Ireland are both sovereeign states. What one does has no bearing on the other. I have no idea why you think Francz should take migrants who want to go to the UK. They have crossed several safe countries. Why shouldnt any of them be responsible for them? I already told you thz EU already has a "Rwanda plan". It is called migrant camps in Turkey. What is your problem? That you wont read or cannot read? Oracle, we have been through this a thousand times, France and Ireland are not sovereign states. No EU state is a sovereign state. Elected governments in sovereign states cannot be overruled by an unelected supranational power. See EU. Now behave yourself. You say France should not take illegals who the EU allow to pass through a borderless Europe who then pay people smugglers to get to the UK, but what are your thoughts about illegals who want to move from the UK back to the EU? It's all one way with you Europhiles isn't it.
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Post by oracle75 on May 2, 2024 16:58:24 GMT
Then why doesnt the UK use it? Maybe because Sunak wants to be seen as a cultural hero? what makes you think they haven't? - over 25000 have been resettled through the scheme so far So why are Afghan migrants not using it?
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Post by oracle75 on May 2, 2024 17:20:50 GMT
Frznce and Ireland are both sovereeign states. What one does has no bearing on the other. I have no idea why you think Francz should take migrants who want to go to the UK. They have crossed several safe countries. Why shouldnt any of them be responsible for them? I already told you thz EU already has a "Rwanda plan". It is called migrant camps in Turkey. What is your problem? That you wont read or cannot read? Oracle, we have been through this a thousand times, France and Ireland are not sovereign states. No EU state is a sovereign state. Elected governments in sovereign states cannot be overruled by an unelected supranational power. See EU. Now behave yourself. You say France should not take illegals who the EU allow to pass through a borderless Europe who then pay people smugglers to get to the UK, but what are your thoughts about illegals who want to move from the UK back to the EU? It's all one way with you Europhiles isn't it. For all your gudung you still havznt answered my qyestuon. Of you dont on the third time of asking i shall assume you hace no udea what sovereignty is. Of thz rhousands of EU laws agreed to by its members, including the YK in three differenr votes plus passagz through national seats of governmznt, abour 550 have been changzd by thz UK dunce 2016. As one of the Brexit promuses was abour reducung beaurocracy, most of thz changzq have been to deregulate resoueces. So you now have filthy water, trains which dont ryn on time, erratiic garbage pickup, a mibmnefield of rules which applicants have to go through to work inn the UK, and more and even more holdups at ports. You have had 7 years to build Farage's garages. They camz on streal yesterday and promptly shut down wurhun 24 hours Why? Bzcause somz idiot forgot that the law restricts working hours ( yoy havent changed that and anyway the drivers work to EU law) . So while each lorry takes 20 minutes to check they back up. ALL NIGHT because ferries arrive all night. So far I dobt see one change in EU law which has made life better for you or any other Brit. So would you care to tell us where the benefits are? SPECIFICALLY? As for who is doing the crawling, every time you realise that what you had while in the EU was pretty good, you have to crawl back to the EU and beg to have it back. Copernicus. Horizon. Beg France and Ireland to take your migrants. Allow cheap imports from Australia to undercut UK food prices ? So connect the few braincells you have and tell me... WHAT GOOD DID LEAVING THE EU DO FOR YOU?
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Post by Red Rackham on May 2, 2024 17:43:06 GMT
Oracle, we have been through this a thousand times, France and Ireland are not sovereign states. No EU state is a sovereign state. Elected governments in sovereign states cannot be overruled by an unelected supranational power. See EU. Now behave yourself. You say France should not take illegals who the EU allow to pass through a borderless Europe who then pay people smugglers to get to the UK, but what are your thoughts about illegals who want to move from the UK back to the EU? It's all one way with you Europhiles isn't it. For all your gudung you still havznt answered my qyestuon. Of you dont on the third time of asking i shall assume you hace no udea what sovereignty is. Of thz rhousands of EU laws agreed to by its members, including the YK in three differenr votes plus passagz through national seats of governmznt, abour 550 have been changzd by thz UK dunce 2016. As one of the Brexit promuses was abour reducung beaurocracy, most of thz changzq have been to deregulate resoueces. So you now have filthy water, trains which dont ryn on time, erratiic garbage pickup, a mibmnefield of rules which applicants have to go through to work inn the UK, and more and even more holdups at ports. You have had 7 years to build Farage's garages. They camz on streal yesterday and promptly shut down wurhun 24 hours Why? Bzcause somz idiot forgot that the law restricts working hours ( yoy havent changed that and anyway the drivers work to EU law) . So while each lorry takes 20 minutes to check they back up. ALL NIGHT because ferries arrive all night. So far I dobt see one change in EU law which has made life better for you or any other Brit. So would you care to tell us where the benefits are? SPECIFICALLY? As for who is doing the crawling, every time you realise that what you had while in the EU was pretty good, you have to crawl back to the EU and beg to have it back. Copernicus. Horizon. Beg France and Ireland to take your migrants. Allow cheap imports from Australia to undercut UK food prices ? So connect the few braincells you have and tell me... WHAT GOOD DID LEAVING THE EU DO FOR YOU? It must be said, as rants go, that was pretty special. However, back to the point in question. Oracle, it seems I must again school you on the Primacy of EU Law. The democratically elected government of a sovereign country cannot have it's laws overruled by some supranational power, why? Because it's a 'sovereign country'. However, EU states are not sovereign states. They must accept EU directives and diktats, and I'm sure you are very aware that the EU impose very large fines on 'member states' who do not implement these directives and diktats. EU law is supreme over national laws in member states, if that were not the case the EU would fail to function. See Primacy of EU Law - link
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