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Post by Dogburger on Apr 22, 2024 18:05:47 GMT
The offer was involving only an agreement berween two countries...the UK and one other. Young people cannot leave that country. It was simply a suggestion and once again the young people of the UK have their opportunities stopped. They used to be able to study in one country and travel freely around Europe. Language, architectural, marketing ,history and geography students used to profit easily. Pity there are still enough slow learners to still inhibit opportunity for others. Wasn't that always the case even before the EU decided to incorporate student exchange programmes into the erasmas scheme which they adopted in the mid 1980's ? The fact was European Nations were allowing students to learn and travel long before the EU decided it was going to be in charge of it |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 23, 2024 8:31:28 GMT
From the link "The UK currently has individual youth mobility schemes with 13 countries, and the government said it preferred such bilateral arrangements over an EU-wide deal" Fact is, this is about the European Commission trying to take over and control arrangements some individual nation states have already agreed with us. What mobility schemes? Do they last long enough to complete studies? Or research? Frankly I doubt the commission cares. But wouldnt it be better if issues like this are done through one channel and not 26 different agreement? Nope. Definitely not. We'll have our cake and eat it thanks. We'd prefer to agree bilateral deals over youth mobility like the rest of the world does from nation to nation. Not another fucking EU 'framework' with warts and all. Fuck that. Plus, the added bonus that it pisses the Commission off is the cherry on top of that cake. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 23, 2024 10:33:34 GMT
The degree of utter bullshit in that last effort, which ignores the strivings of the left to derail the process, and the strivings if two or three of the 26 to punish us for escaping, makes it not worth a serious reply So Brexit was not the Nirvana you were promised. You still have the left which,BTW, has nothing to do with the EU, and you created unnecessary issues with, as you put it, tried to punish you. So I suppose you will blame the EU for not wanting to seriously invest in the UK economy, for your lack of new and improved free trade deals uncluding the failure of one with Canada, close cultural and military ally. It must be the EU's fault that the justice system in the UK is one of the slowest in the world, that the health system is in intensive care, that all those new policemen get a mere 6 weeks training . Not to mention thw dumping of minimum amounts of effluent allowed in the EU has allowed maximum amount of effluent in UK waters. All that bright new world promised by those who turned out to be selfish liars and corrupt as a third world election manipulator, doesnt really exist. Brexit has done nothing to make life better in the UK. And yet you still swallow the kool-aid. Best to be as honest as those hundrreds of thousands of people who now admit the whole thing was a mistake. And you should stop blaming everyone for your failure. You got what you wanted. You just didnt listen to those who told you that the EU had nothing to do with your own problems, evidenced by the fact that you still have them, and have added to them. Lastly I think you will find that it was the UK who crawled back to the EU and begged to be allowed back into the Horizon programme. "The association Protocol adopted by the Committee is an integral part of the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement. The UK will contribute around €2.43 billion per year on average to the EU budget for its participation in Horizon Europe, and roughly €154 million for participation to Copernicus." ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_23_6327 I don’t blame everyone Just people like you who refused to accept the will of the people |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 23, 2024 20:25:45 GMT
So Brexit was not the Nirvana you were promised. You still have the left which,BTW, has nothing to do with the EU, and you created unnecessary issues with, as you put it, tried to punish you. So I suppose you will blame the EU for not wanting to seriously invest in the UK economy, for your lack of new and improved free trade deals uncluding the failure of one with Canada, close cultural and military ally. It must be the EU's fault that the justice system in the UK is one of the slowest in the world, that the health system is in intensive care, that all those new policemen get a mere 6 weeks training . Not to mention thw dumping of minimum amounts of effluent allowed in the EU has allowed maximum amount of effluent in UK waters. All that bright new world promised by those who turned out to be selfish liars and corrupt as a third world election manipulator, doesnt really exist. Brexit has done nothing to make life better in the UK. And yet you still swallow the kool-aid. Best to be as honest as those hundrreds of thousands of people who now admit the whole thing was a mistake. And you should stop blaming everyone for your failure. You got what you wanted. You just didnt listen to those who told you that the EU had nothing to do with your own problems, evidenced by the fact that you still have them, and have added to them. Lastly I think you will find that it was the UK who crawled back to the EU and begged to be allowed back into the Horizon programme. "The association Protocol adopted by the Committee is an integral part of the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement. The UK will contribute around €2.43 billion per year on average to the EU budget for its participation in Horizon Europe, and roughly €154 million for participation to Copernicus." ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_23_6327 I don’t blame everyone Just people like you who refused to accept the will of the people The people were swindled and lied to. Just as they are in third world countries. A majority does not justify democratic voice. Democracy demands truth, open honesty and educated voters. Just look at the other countries calling themseelves democracies and which go through the theatre of the ballot box. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 23, 2024 20:28:19 GMT
What mobility schemes? Do they last long enough to complete studies? Or research? Frankly I doubt the commission cares. But wouldnt it be better if issues like this are done through one channel and not 26 different agreement? Nope. Definitely not. We'll have our cake and eat it thanks. We'd prefer to agree bilateral deals over youth mobility like the rest of the world does from nation to nation. Not another fucking EU 'framework' with warts and all. Fuck that. Plus, the added bonus that it pisses the Commission off is the cherry on top of that cake. All your independent deals comply with EU rules. The suggestion is dead. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 23, 2024 20:36:15 GMT
I don’t blame everyone Just people like you who refused to accept the will of the people The people were swindled and lied to. Still selling that crap ? Yawn…. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 24, 2024 6:11:40 GMT
Nope. Definitely not. We'll have our cake and eat it thanks. We'd prefer to agree bilateral deals over youth mobility like the rest of the world does from nation to nation. Not another fucking EU 'framework' with warts and all. Fuck that. Plus, the added bonus that it pisses the Commission off is the cherry on top of that cake. All your independent deals comply with EU rules. The suggestion is dead. Wrong, they comply with UK rules. The suggestion being dead is good thing. |
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Post by om15 on Apr 24, 2024 8:31:50 GMT
Which planet are you on?
Brexit was driven by the majority, the useless politicians of all parties wanted the status quo, easy jobs with other people making the rules, no Tory leader has been enthusiastic about Brexit, it only came about because the majority of people could see just where the EU is going.
I agree the results of Brexit could be better, that is not because it was a flawed decision but because the politicians aren't capable or committed to making it work. If you are happy being an EU citizen I am pleased for you and hope you have an enjoyable life, but don't criticise us for wanting to be independent and develop our own rules to suit our particular society.
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Post by Vinny on Apr 24, 2024 9:27:24 GMT
Haven't bothered arguing with Kim in over a year.
No point.
We could reduce unemployment to zero, the national debt to zero, eradicate the need for foodbanks and she'd still bloomin moan.
Some people just love being miserable.
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 30, 2024 17:26:48 GMT
Haven't bothered arguing with Kim in over a year. No point. We could reduce unemployment to zero, the national debt to zero, eradicate the need for foodbanks and she'd still bloomin moan. Some people just love being miserable. But you have had full sovereignty for over 5 years now. Why has Nirvana not happened? Why was your death count higher per capita than any other country? www.statista.com/statistics/1093256/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-deaths-worldwide-by-country/Why is the sovereign decision...well practical need really...to impose careful scrutiny of goods passing between the EU and UK which is estimated to cost tzns of millions of pounds per year but delays in transport liable to ruin some goods and cause traders and shops to go out of business? You were warned. Why has the Brexit sovereign govt, now 8 years old, done nothing for the country except borrow more than its annual GDP, increase interest rates, increase unemployment, reduce funding for local authorities and cause despair in the NHS? You wanted sovereignty. You got sovereignty orchesteatzd by the same fools ho sold it to you. And the place is a mess. Vinny has been living in an undefined unreality dream world. One could just as easily say the world would be a wonderful place if there werent any wars and people did what they were told to do. If there had never been tribal identities or nation states uninterested in money. If no one knew about crime. Just one more thing. Your wonderful Rwanda scheme is because you left the EU Dublin Agreement and dont qualify for the EU long term agreement with Turkey to take immigrants. www.migrationpolicy.org/article/eu-turkey-deal-five-years-onSo please dont try to tell me the EU wants rhz UK back. It is the UK copying 5 year old EU policy. Not to mention swimming in shite contrary to EU rules. In fact you make me laugh...vinny says" if all my dreams had come true, it would have worked." 😂😂😂 |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 30, 2024 17:27:37 GMT
All your independent deals comply with EU rules. The suggestion is dead. Wrong, they comply with UK rules. The suggestion being dead is good thing. But your rules are still EU rules. Why is that? Whose rulzs are you following at your ports of entry now? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 30, 2024 19:17:34 GMT
Wrong, they comply with UK rules. The suggestion being dead is good thing. But your rules are still EU rules. Why is that? Whose rulzs are you following at your ports of entry now? I'll tell you what rules are funny Oracle. The EU state of Ireland decreed that Rwanda is not a safe country which means they cannot send illegals back to the UK, LOLS. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 30, 2024 22:52:47 GMT
Wrong, they comply with UK rules. The suggestion being dead is good thing. But your rules are still EU rules. Why is that? Whose rulzs are you following at your ports of entry now? They are UK rules. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 30, 2024 23:57:38 GMT
No.
The reason the UK cant send people who arrive in boats back to the EU is because of EU rules.
You left the one EU rule that could have allowed it, the Dublin Agreement.
I suggest you do some reading before you continue posting imaginary "facts".
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 30, 2024 23:59:13 GMT
But your rules are still EU rules. Why is that? Whose rulzs are you following at your ports of entry now? I'll tell you what rules are funny Oracle. The EU state of Ireland decreed that Rwanda is not a safe country which means they cannot send illegals back to the UK, LOLS. This makes no sense. |
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