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Post by buccaneer on Apr 20, 2024 14:03:57 GMT
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 20, 2024 14:15:29 GMT
The offer was involving only an agreement berween two countries...the UK and one other. Young people cannot leave that country. It was simply a suggestion and once again the young people of the UK have their opportunities stopped. They used to be able to study in one country and travel freely around Europe. Language, architectural, marketing ,history and geography students used to profit easily.
Pity there are still enough slow learners to still inhibit opportunity for others.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 20, 2024 17:00:26 GMT
It was just a desperate stunt by the Commission because they were unhappy that individual member states might make their own agreements with the UK - they were frightened of losing power.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 20, 2024 17:46:45 GMT
We might get a mass of 18 year old ‘ boys’ with dodgy accents that look 40 years old ,if we agree.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 20, 2024 19:26:39 GMT
Bloody hell! The government actually said the right thing for once. We don't want to give Eastern Europeans equal rights. Some Romanian was caught by police blowing up cash machines with dynamite.
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 21, 2024 6:46:21 GMT
The offer was involving only an agreement berween two countries...the UK and one other. Young people cannot leave that country. It was simply a suggestion and once again the young people of the UK have their opportunities stopped. They used to be able to study in one country and travel freely around Europe. Language, architectural, marketing ,history and geography students used to profit easily. Pity there are still enough slow learners to still inhibit opportunity for others. From the link "The UK currently has individual youth mobility schemes with 13 countries, and the government said it preferred such bilateral arrangements over an EU-wide deal" Fact is, this is about the European Commission trying to take over and control arrangements some individual nation states have already agreed with us.
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Post by sandypine on Apr 21, 2024 9:46:01 GMT
The offer was involving only an agreement berween two countries...the UK and one other. Young people cannot leave that country. It was simply a suggestion and once again the young people of the UK have their opportunities stopped. They used to be able to study in one country and travel freely around Europe. Language, architectural, marketing ,history and geography students used to profit easily. Pity there are still enough slow learners to still inhibit opportunity for others. It is the EU that is stopping them not the UK.
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 21, 2024 13:45:23 GMT
Both the Tories and Labour have dismissed the idea.
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 21, 2024 13:51:09 GMT
The offer was involving only an agreement berween two countries...the UK and one other. Young people cannot leave that country. It was simply a suggestion and once again the young people of the UK have their opportunities stopped. They used to be able to study in one country and travel freely around Europe. Language, architectural, marketing ,history and geography students used to profit easily. Pity there are still enough slow learners to still inhibit opportunity for others. From the link "The UK currently has individual youth mobility schemes with 13 countries, and the government said it preferred such bilateral arrangements over an EU-wide deal" Fact is, this is about the European Commission trying to take over and control arrangements some individual nation states have already agreed with us. What mobility schemes? Do they last long enough to complete studies? Or research? Frankly I doubt the commission cares. But wouldnt it be better if issues like this are done through one channel and not 26 different agreement?
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 21, 2024 16:29:46 GMT
From the link "The UK currently has individual youth mobility schemes with 13 countries, and the government said it preferred such bilateral arrangements over an EU-wide deal" Fact is, this is about the European Commission trying to take over and control arrangements some individual nation states have already agreed with us. What mobility schemes? Do they last long enough to complete studies? Or research? Frankly I doubt the commission cares. But wouldnt it be better if issues like this are done through one channel and not 26 different agreement? I fundamentally disagree. We left the EU to regain control. There are EU nation states i might value, and others i see as a collection of freeloading criminals thugs vagabonds and gypsies. You, as a rabid europhile to judge from your other posts, no doubt welcome one and all. I do not. I welcome the freedom to choose, and more importantly, embrace warmly the ability to tell the natives of the worst criminal freeloaders to stuff it
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 22, 2024 7:44:35 GMT
What the EU put on the table was
Brits 18-30 allowed to 1 EU Country.
Whilst
All EU Nationals would be allowed to the UK and have the same full rights has they did prior to brexit. (so taking social housing away from Brits whilst milking the benefit system)
That isn't a policy any reasonable politician can support as its clearly designed to put the EU back in control of the UKs border
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 22, 2024 8:43:19 GMT
What mobility schemes? Do they last long enough to complete studies? Or research? Frankly I doubt the commission cares. But wouldnt it be better if issues like this are done through one channel and not 26 different agreement? I fundamentally disagree. We left the EU to regain control. There are EU nation states i might value, and others i see as a collection of freeloading criminals thugs vagabonds and gypsies. You, as a rabid europhile to judge from your other posts, no doubt welcome one and all. I do not. I welcome the freedom to choose, and more importantly, embrace warmly the ability to tell the natives of the worst criminal freeloaders to stuff it Well my dear, after a noisy group of political wannabes played dirty with lies, data corruption and empty promises, finally gaiined the "sovereignty" they expected to allow them to do whatever they wanted including proroguing Parliament and lying to the Queen, have now have had nearly 8 years to plan and put into practose the nationn of their dreams unencumbered by allied and agreed regulation, the only question remains... Is the life of the individual and the life of the nation better or worse than it was when inside the EU? If better, you dont need access to European study or travel. OTOH the nation cannot wait for a general election because the idiots who persuaded you to create problems you never had before, have completely failed to make any progress promised by Brexit. They have made progress making life more complicated, more expensive and more restricted. So please dont tell me about EU members being untrustworthy. They are all wise enough to refrain fron following the fools who persuaded you to leave. And none tried to shut down their democratic voice.
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 22, 2024 8:53:39 GMT
The degree of utter bullshit in that last effort, which ignores the strivings of the left to derail the process, and the strivings if two or three of the 26 to punish us for escaping, makes it not worth a serious reply
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 22, 2024 10:00:29 GMT
The degree of utter bullshit in that last effort, which ignores the strivings of the left to derail the process, and the strivings if two or three of the 26 to punish us for escaping, makes it not worth a serious reply So Brexit was not the Nirvana you were promised. You still have the left which,BTW, has nothing to do with the EU, and you created unnecessary issues with, as you put it, tried to punish you. So I suppose you will blame the EU for not wanting to seriously invest in the UK economy, for your lack of new and improved free trade deals uncluding the failure of one with Canada, close cultural and military ally. It must be the EU's fault that the justice system in the UK is one of the slowest in the world, that the health system is in intensive care, that all those new policemen get a mere 6 weeks training . Not to mention thw dumping of minimum amounts of effluent allowed in the EU has allowed maximum amount of effluent in UK waters. All that bright new world promised by those who turned out to be selfish liars and corrupt as a third world election manipulator, doesnt really exist. Brexit has done nothing to make life better in the UK. And yet you still swallow the kool-aid. Best to be as honest as those hundrreds of thousands of people who now admit the whole thing was a mistake. And you should stop blaming everyone for your failure. You got what you wanted. You just didnt listen to those who told you that the EU had nothing to do with your own problems, evidenced by the fact that you still have them, and have added to them. Lastly I think you will find that it was the UK who crawled back to the EU and begged to be allowed back into the Horizon programme. "The association Protocol adopted by the Committee is an integral part of the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement. The UK will contribute around €2.43 billion per year on average to the EU budget for its participation in Horizon Europe, and roughly €154 million for participation to Copernicus." ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_23_6327
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 22, 2024 11:07:24 GMT
Lastly I think you will find that it was the UK who crawled back to the EU and begged to be allowed back into the Horizon programme. You think wrong - participation in Horizon was part of the original agreement signed off by Johnson and Ursula von der Leyen
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