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Post by sheepy on Apr 19, 2024 22:30:38 GMT
Once again either you are naive or think everyone else is. It's naive not to want double standards now?  No, its naive to encourage idiots, next thing we know they will be setting themselves on fire. |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 19, 2024 22:34:15 GMT
They threatened to arrest the man for his own safety and because he was intent on looking for trouble, inviting confrontation that he could easily have chosen to avoid, and the police did not have the manpower to cope with the riot that would have ensued. Ripley, we appear to moving in circles. If the KKK were marching in London should the police tell a black person to disappear or face arrest?It seems the modern British police tend side with the biggest mob. And as my son who lives in France tells me, it's not a good look. If he was peacefully minding his own business, no. If he was intent on confrontation and being a public nuisance, yes. The British police are not always equipped to handle the sort of riot that troublemakers may deliberately ignite and no-one has the right to cause a disturbance of those proportions just to make a point about his rights. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 19, 2024 22:45:17 GMT
Ripley, we appear to moving in circles. If the KKK were marching in London should the police tell a black person to disappear or face arrest?It seems the modern British police tend side with the biggest mob. And as my son who lives in France tells me, it's not a good look. If he was peacefully minding his own business, no. If he was intent on confrontation and being a public nuisance, yes. The British police are not always equipped to handle the sort of riot that troublemakers may deliberately ignite and no-one has the right to cause a disturbance of those proportions just to make a point about his rights. You claim the British police are not equipped to handle civil disturbance in this wonderfully multicultural country. You are of course wrong, they are more than equipped to handle it. The reason they don't is because thanks to political correctness they are terrified of being accused of racism or Islamophobia. To appease is the British disease. And if we are not very careful, it will be our downfall. |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 19, 2024 23:18:23 GMT
Do you think that the right to freedom of speech should include being allowed to cause civil disturbance?
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 19, 2024 23:52:47 GMT
Do you think that the right to freedom of speech should include being allowed to cause civil disturbance? The right to protest is enshrined in law. The right to stop people going about their lawful business is not. |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 20, 2024 2:24:37 GMT
Do you think that the right to freedom of speech should include being allowed to cause civil disturbance? The right to protest is enshrined in law. The right to stop people going about their lawful business is not. Causing a civil disturbance is not lawful business. The agitator in question wants the rights of pro-Palestinian protesters curtailed or banned, but he claims the right to inflame tensions and cause a civil disturbance. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 20, 2024 6:41:21 GMT
So these pro-Hamas marches are prone to violence then. If that is the case then they should be banned. It was a pro-Palestinian march, not a pro-Hamas march. I know of no violence that occurred, and that's because the police were not letting people interrupt the march with intent to inflame tensions and invite confrontation. It doesn't sound very peaceful if it was going to be inflamed to violence by a Jew crossing the road.. Are you really suggesting we should have no-go areas for Jews to prevent Hamas supporters being incited to violence? |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 20, 2024 7:03:02 GMT
So, no, it is misleading, it is not illegal to be Jewish, it should be illegal to be a complete idiot.
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Post by sandypine on Apr 20, 2024 7:11:12 GMT
On previous 'Pro Palestine' marches police have ignored Hamas flags, Isis, flags, and swastikas. They have however ordered the removal of an Israeli flag (In Trafalgar Square) and threatened to arrest a Jewish man for looking Jewish. Is anyone familiar with 1930's Germany?.. They threatened to arrest the man for his own safety and because he was intent on looking for trouble, inviting confrontation that he could easily have chosen to avoid, and the police did not have the manpower to cope with the riot that would have ensued. JSO protestors were specifically looking for trouble and intimidating many thousands of citizens going about their daily business yet were protected from harm and confrontation by the police. The overall situation makes no sense in terms of consistency. That is what grates most with the bulk of the UK populace that protestors are defended irrespective of what they do, who they intimidate and who they upset most especially when they break the law. |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 20, 2024 7:24:31 GMT
Ripley, we appear to moving in circles. If the KKK were marching in London should the police tell a black person to disappear or face arrest?It seems the modern British police tend side with the biggest mob. And as my son who lives in France tells me, it's not a good look. If he was peacefully minding his own business, no. If he was intent on confrontation and being a public nuisance, yes. The British police are not always equipped to handle the sort of riot that troublemakers may deliberately ignite and no-one has the right to cause a disturbance of those proportions just to make a point about his rights. The police are not complete idiots as they are being portrayed and also behind this is a plot against peaceful protest, which we have said all along we won't allow, because that is exactly what the Israeli government removed from the Palestinians and even used them for target practice. Either you take peaceful protest as part of being a democracy or you admit those who have control have no interest in being a democracy. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 20, 2024 7:26:23 GMT
If he was peacefully minding his own business, no. If he was intent on confrontation and being a public nuisance, yes. The British police are not always equipped to handle the sort of riot that troublemakers may deliberately ignite and no-one has the right to cause a disturbance of those proportions just to make a point about his rights. The police are not complete idiots as they are being portrayed and also behind this is a plot against peaceful protest, which we have said all along we won't allow, because that is exactly what the Israeli government removed from the Palestinians and even used them for target practice. Either you take peaceful protest as part of being a democracy or you admit those who have control have no interest in being a democracy. How can it be a peaceful protest if it is prone to violence by a Jew crossing the road?... Don't be daft.. |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 20, 2024 7:34:00 GMT
The police are not complete idiots as they are being portrayed and also behind this is a plot against peaceful protest, which we have said all along we won't allow, because that is exactly what the Israeli government removed from the Palestinians and even used them for target practice. Either you take peaceful protest as part of being a democracy or you admit those who have control have no interest in being a democracy. How can it be a peaceful protest if it is prone to violence by a Jew crossing the road?... Don't be daft.. Except he wasn't just crossing the road, was he? he was purposely trying to use his Jewishness to provoke a reaction which he was stopped from doing for his own safety. Because he is an idiot. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 20, 2024 7:45:40 GMT
How can it be a peaceful protest if it is prone to violence by a Jew crossing the road?... Don't be daft.. Except he wasn't just crossing the road, was he? he was purposely trying to use his Jewishness to provoke a reaction which he was stopped from doing for his own safety. Because he is an idiot. Which is exactly my point - if these protests are going to be triggered to violence by a passing Jew, then the last thing you can claim is that it was a peaceful protest Which kinda begs the question - if a Jew is in danger from these protests then all the bullshit about them not being antisemitic is wrong, they are not a protest against the Government in Israel they are protest against Jews in general and in support of Hamas. |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 20, 2024 7:48:52 GMT
Except he wasn't just crossing the road, was he? he was purposely trying to use his Jewishness to provoke a reaction which he was stopped from doing for his own safety. Because he is an idiot. Which is exactly my point - if these protests are going to be triggered to violence by a passing Jew, then the last thing you can claim is that it was a peaceful protest Which kinda begs the question - if a Jew is in danger from these protests then all the bullshit about them not being antisemitic is wrong, they are not a protest against the Government in Israel they are protest against Jews in general and in support of Hamas. Again, he wasn't a passing Jew, he set out to provoke a peaceful protest using Jewishness as a weapon. Either you are purposely misrepresenting him and trying to be clever with it or you don't have a clue what is going on. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 20, 2024 7:58:42 GMT
If the police believe the sight of a Jewish man might provoke violence from protestors, then the answer is simple - ban the protest.
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