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Post by Ripley on Apr 24, 2024 16:31:04 GMT
I can't speak for the Jewish groups who participated in the protests but I can see that of course they want the hostages released. Where our opinions differ is that you think they want concessions from Netanyahu, whereas I think they think that Netanyahu has gone far too far in a different direction instead of prioritising getting the hostages released. This difference of opinion in no way indicates that I think you are stupid or that I am incapable of understanding the situation. They are addressing Netanyahu because he is the face of the governing body that is driving the policy that has become an obstacle in the path of hostage release. Hamas likely won't be swayed by protests from the West. They are not supported by the West, but Israel is and Israel is rapidly losing goodwill. Sorry, this is BS. They are not addressing the perpetrators who hold the hostages . They are cowards and hypocrites. Your support of this hypocrisy doesn’t do your credibility much good. We are talking about Westerners here, who have no leverage with Hamas and nothing to bargain with for the hostages. Only Israel can negotiate for the hostages, but Netanyahu's priorities appear to lie elsewhere, and a great many Jews, both in Israel and the West, are extremely perturbed by that.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 24, 2024 16:33:42 GMT
Sorry, this is BS. They are not addressing the perpetrators who hold the hostages . They are cowards and hypocrites. Your support of this hypocrisy doesn’t do your credibility much good. We are talking about Westerners here, who have no leverage with Hamas and nothing to bargain with for the hostages. Only Israel can negotiate for the hostages, but Netanyahu's priorities appear to lie elsewhere, and a great many Jews, both in Israel and the West, are extremely perturbed by that. Oh please. So they should not demand that Hamas release the hostages because Hamas would ignore it. You can do better than that surely ?
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Post by Ripley on Apr 24, 2024 16:38:41 GMT
We are talking about Westerners here, who have no leverage with Hamas and nothing to bargain with for the hostages. Only Israel can negotiate for the hostages, but Netanyahu's priorities appear to lie elsewhere, and a great many Jews, both in Israel and the West, are extremely perturbed by that. Oh please. So they should not demand that Hamas release the hostages because Hamas would ignore it. You can do better than that surely ? Don't put words in my mouth. I did not prescribe what they should or shouldn't do. I'm saying they probably see that it would be futile to petition Hamas given that all the bargaining power rests with Netanyahu. "Hundreds of Jewish anti-war demonstrators have been arrested during a Passover seder that doubled as a protest in New York, as they shut down a major thoroughfare to pray for a ceasefire and urge the Senate majority leader, Chuck Schumer, to end US military aid to Israel. The 300 or so arrests took place on Tuesday night on the doorstep of Schumer’s Brooklyn residence, where thousands of mostly Jewish New Yorkers gathered for the seder, a ritual that marked the second night of the holiday celebrated as a festival of freedom by Jews worldwide. The seder came just before the US Senate resoundingly passed a military package that includes $26bn for Israel. The protesters called on Schumer – who is among a minority of Democrats to recently criticize the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu – to stop arming Israel’s military, which relies heavily on US weapons, jet fuel and other military equipment. “We as American Jews will not be used, we will not be complicit and we will not be silent. Judaism is a beautiful, thousands-year-old tradition, and Israel is a 76-year-old colonial apartheid state,” Morgan Bassichis, an organizer with Jewish Voice for Peace, told the crowd. “This is the Passover that we take our exodus from Zionism. Not in our name. Let Gaza live.”" www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/not-like-other-passovers-hundreds-of-jewish-demonstrators-arrested-after-new-york-protest-seder/ar-AA1nyC6y?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=136cc3aaaa174388ba37ad0dc3bb986e&ei=13
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Post by Bentley on Apr 24, 2024 16:44:29 GMT
Oh please. So they should not demand that Hamas release the hostages because Hamas would ignore it. You can do better than that surely ? Don't put words in my mouth. I did not prescribe what they should or shouldn't do. I'm saying they probably see that it would be futile to petition Hamas given that all the bargaining power rests with Netanyahu. "Hundreds of Jewish anti-war demonstrators have been arrested during a Passover seder that doubled as a protest in New York, as they shut down a major thoroughfare to pray for a ceasefire and urge the Senate majority leader, Chuck Schumer, to end US military aid to Israel. The 300 or so arrests took place on Tuesday night on the doorstep of Schumer’s Brooklyn residence, where thousands of mostly Jewish New Yorkers gathered for the seder, a ritual that marked the second night of the holiday celebrated as a festival of freedom by Jews worldwide. The seder came just before the US Senate resoundingly passed a military package that includes $26bn for Israel. The protesters called on Schumer – who is among a minority of Democrats to recently criticize the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu – to stop arming Israel’s military, which relies heavily on US weapons, jet fuel and other military equipment. “We as American Jews will not be used, we will not be complicit and we will not be silent. Judaism is a beautiful, thousands-year-old tradition, and Israel is a 76-year-old colonial apartheid state,” Morgan Bassichis, an organizer with Jewish Voice for Peace, told the crowd. “This is the Passover that we take our exodus from Zionism. Not in our name. Let Gaza live.”" www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/not-like-other-passovers-hundreds-of-jewish-demonstrators-arrested-after-new-york-protest-seder/ar-AA1nyC6y?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=136cc3aaaa174388ba37ad0dc3bb986e&ei=13So you chose to ignore my post and post the same stuff about Jews protesting against Israel. None of that justifies you non point that protestors do not demand Hamas return hostages because Hamas will ignore it or addresses the post you replied to . Note.. your claim that all the bargaining power lies with Israel is a falsehood .
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Post by sheepy on Apr 24, 2024 16:44:54 GMT
Oh please. So they should not demand that Hamas release the hostages because Hamas would ignore it. You can do better than that surely ? Don't put words in my mouth. I did not prescribe what they should or shouldn't do. I'm saying they probably see that it would be futile to petition Hamas given that all the bargaining power rests with Netanyahu. "Hundreds of Jewish anti-war demonstrators have been arrested during a Passover seder that doubled as a protest in New York, as they shut down a major thoroughfare to pray for a ceasefire and urge the Senate majority leader, Chuck Schumer, to end US military aid to Israel. The 300 or so arrests took place on Tuesday night on the doorstep of Schumer’s Brooklyn residence, where thousands of mostly Jewish New Yorkers gathered for the seder, a ritual that marked the second night of the holiday celebrated as a festival of freedom by Jews worldwide. The seder came just before the US Senate resoundingly passed a military package that includes $26bn for Israel. The protesters called on Schumer – who is among a minority of Democrats to recently criticize the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu – to stop arming Israel’s military, which relies heavily on US weapons, jet fuel and other military equipment. “We as American Jews will not be used, we will not be complicit and we will not be silent. Judaism is a beautiful, thousands-year-old tradition, and Israel is a 76-year-old colonial apartheid state,” Morgan Bassichis, an organizer with Jewish Voice for Peace, told the crowd. “This is the Passover that we take our exodus from Zionism. Not in our name. Let Gaza live.”" www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/not-like-other-passovers-hundreds-of-jewish-demonstrators-arrested-after-new-york-protest-seder/ar-AA1nyC6y?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=136cc3aaaa174388ba37ad0dc3bb986e&ei=13What Zionism? they were trying to deny that the other day, I don't think for a minute they think they are going to con the rest of us. Or if they do it going to end very badly for our own agitators.
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Post by wapentake on Apr 24, 2024 16:48:21 GMT
No what he was doing was trying to incite because he wasn’t going for a walk as you have previously claimed. How was he inciting anyone - what specifically was he doing to incite people to violence?. The Police guy said that it was because he looked Jewish and wanted to cross the road - if that is not correct what did he want to do? Every week there is an Iranian guy there who holds up a placed stating that Hamas are terrorists - the pro-Hamas marchers attack him and the police arrest him for 'incitement' Seems that this incitement is anything that does not fully support the aims of the protestors - ie|: the total destruction of Israel and all the Jews in it. I notice you cherrypick one part of my post and ignore the relevance of the rest so I’ll reply in kind,he wasn’t just going for a walk as you claim was he?
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Post by Ripley on Apr 24, 2024 16:54:02 GMT
Don't put words in my mouth. I did not prescribe what they should or shouldn't do. I'm saying they probably see that it would be futile to petition Hamas given that all the bargaining power rests with Netanyahu. "Hundreds of Jewish anti-war demonstrators have been arrested during a Passover seder that doubled as a protest in New York, as they shut down a major thoroughfare to pray for a ceasefire and urge the Senate majority leader, Chuck Schumer, to end US military aid to Israel. The 300 or so arrests took place on Tuesday night on the doorstep of Schumer’s Brooklyn residence, where thousands of mostly Jewish New Yorkers gathered for the seder, a ritual that marked the second night of the holiday celebrated as a festival of freedom by Jews worldwide. The seder came just before the US Senate resoundingly passed a military package that includes $26bn for Israel. The protesters called on Schumer – who is among a minority of Democrats to recently criticize the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu – to stop arming Israel’s military, which relies heavily on US weapons, jet fuel and other military equipment. “We as American Jews will not be used, we will not be complicit and we will not be silent. Judaism is a beautiful, thousands-year-old tradition, and Israel is a 76-year-old colonial apartheid state,” Morgan Bassichis, an organizer with Jewish Voice for Peace, told the crowd. “This is the Passover that we take our exodus from Zionism. Not in our name. Let Gaza live.”" www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/not-like-other-passovers-hundreds-of-jewish-demonstrators-arrested-after-new-york-protest-seder/ar-AA1nyC6y?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=136cc3aaaa174388ba37ad0dc3bb986e&ei=13So you chose to ignore my post and post the same stuff about Jews protesting against Israel. None of that justifies you non point that protestors do not demand Hamas return hostages because Hamas will ignore it or addresses the post you replied to . I didn't ignore your post. I answered it. Your post was: "Oh please.
So they should not demand that Hamas release the hostages because Hamas would ignore it. You can do better than that surely ?"
And I answered: " Don't put words in my mouth. I did not prescribe what they should or shouldn't do. I'm saying they probably see that it would be futile to petition Hamas given that all the bargaining power rests with Netanyahu."I also added some new information about the arrests of hundreds of Jewish protesters who are clearly not anti-Jew but anti-war.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 24, 2024 16:58:00 GMT
So you chose to ignore my post and post the same stuff about Jews protesting against Israel. None of that justifies you non point that protestors do not demand Hamas return hostages because Hamas will ignore it or addresses the post you replied to . I didn't ignore your post. I answered it. Your post was: "Oh please.
So they should not demand that Hamas release the hostages because Hamas would ignore it. You can do better than that surely ?"
And I answered: " Don't put words in my mouth. I did not prescribe what they should or shouldn't do. I'm saying they probably see that it would be futile to petition Hamas given that all the bargaining power rests with Netanyahu."I also added some new information about the arrests of hundreds of Jewish protesters who are clearly not anti-Jew but anti-war. You said ‘ don’t out words in my mouth ‘ then posted a complete falsehood ‘ I'm saying they probably see that it would be futile to petition Hamas given that all the bargaining power rests with Netanyahu."‘. It was lame excuse to mitigate the fact that Hamas would ignore any demand of that nature . Then you threw in a strawman .
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Post by sheepy on Apr 24, 2024 17:05:08 GMT
The tide is turning numnuts, be careful supporting Genocide can get people in court and banged up for a very longtime or in some cases dead as in no more this parrot is dead.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 24, 2024 17:06:56 GMT
The tide is turning numnuts, be careful supporting Genocide can get people in court and banged up for a very longtime or in some cases dead as in no more this parrot is dead. Oh dear. The voices in your head have started again.
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Post by Ripley on Apr 24, 2024 17:08:10 GMT
I didn't ignore your post. I answered it. Your post was: "Oh please.
So they should not demand that Hamas release the hostages because Hamas would ignore it. You can do better than that surely ?"
And I answered: " Don't put words in my mouth. I did not prescribe what they should or shouldn't do. I'm saying they probably see that it would be futile to petition Hamas given that all the bargaining power rests with Netanyahu."I also added some new information about the arrests of hundreds of Jewish protesters who are clearly not anti-Jew but anti-war. You said ‘ don’t out words in my mouth ‘ then posted a complete falsehood ‘ I'm saying they probably see that it would be futile to petition Hamas given that all the bargaining power rests with Netanyahu."‘. It was lame excuse to mitigate the fact that Hamas would ignore any demand of that nature . Then you threw in a strawman . It is not a falsehood to say what I think, which IS that the protesters probably see it would be futile to petition Hamas. Since Hamas does not have Western support, the protesters have no leverage with Hamas, and nothing with which to bargain for the release of the hostages. Only Netanyahu has that. Being anti-war and anti-genocide does not equate to being pro-Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organisation. Let's be clear about that. Israel's government has gone far too far in decimating the Palestinian population, the majority of whom are civilians. Roughly 12,000 were murdered by Hamas on October 7th vs roughly 34,000 slaughtered by Israel in response, and they are not done yet . Western protesters, including large numbers of Jews, object to their governments funding these continued atrocities.
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Post by sheepy on Apr 24, 2024 17:09:13 GMT
The tide is turning numnuts, be careful supporting Genocide can get people in court and banged up for a very longtime or in some cases dead as in no more this parrot is dead. Oh dear. The voices in your head have started again. No, the real ones who you thought you could ignore, so I spoke for them and now they are speaking for themselves.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 24, 2024 17:14:10 GMT
Oh dear. The voices in your head have started again. No, the real ones who you thought you could ignore, so I spoke for them and now they are speaking for themselves. They’re not real ones sheepy. They only speak when you forget to take your medication .
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Post by sheepy on Apr 24, 2024 17:15:57 GMT
No, the real ones who you thought you could ignore, so I spoke for them and now they are speaking for themselves. They’re not real ones sheepy. They only speak when you forget to take your medication . What are you going to do Bentley if they start shooting Jews for peaceful protesting? cheer perhaps say they are self-haters?
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Post by Ripley on Apr 24, 2024 17:16:32 GMT
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