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Post by morayloon on Apr 22, 2024 0:32:57 GMT
...to attempt to wade into the marchers, while displaying his Jewishness for all the world to see was a dangerous, and very stupid, thing to do... Well, only if it was an anti-Jewish march. ...It was, surely, an act of pure provocation. What, being Jewish? ...An act that should have had him arrested if he persisted with the craziness... The National Socialists would have loved you. ...The police have a tough enough job to do without having to deal with that sort of playacting... So being Jewish is "Playacting"? Jeez... 1. It was not an anti Jewish rally. It was a rally against the genocidal actions of the Israeli state, and its Zionist leadership. That person knew exactly what the marchers were marching for. He was deliberately trying to cause a massive disturbance. On the other hand, he would have known full well that the police would not let him through. It was all just a massive gesture, probably videoed by one of his mates. Looking for the sympathy vote. 2. No, being stupid 3. You don't think that someone causing a breach of the peace should be arrested? 4. I think you know what was meant. However given you come across as a rabid Zionist apologist, maybe the answer is in the negative. |
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Post by morayloon on Apr 22, 2024 0:45:58 GMT
Christ, give the police a break. That man was obviously intent on causing a riot. A riot that would have played right into Israeli hands and those of their apologists. A riot that would have created havoc in the communities the marchers were going through. All the cop was doing was explaining that, to attempt to wade into the marchers, while displaying his Jewishness for all the world to see was a dangerous, and very stupid, thing to do. It was, surely, an act of pure provocation. An act that should have had him arrested if he persisted with the craziness. The police have a tough enough job to do without having to deal with that sort of playacting. The Police keep telling Jews in London that there are no no-go areas and the city is safe for them. Apparently not. I don't know what the police are telling the Jewish communities. However, if you have someone hell-bent on causing a disturbance, if not a riot, that person should be arrested. Especially if he turnsup in his religious regalia. Perhaps the police should have let him through to see if he would carry out his threat. I think that, once free from the protection of the police he would have turned back pronto. The rallies have been peaceful, a fact which is annoying the establishment who do not want an alternative, and very popular, narrative spread throughout the land. The people see what is happening in Gaza and instinctively know that it is wrong. No matter the provocation, the level of retaliation is well over the top |
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Post by morayloon on Apr 22, 2024 0:51:25 GMT
Christ, give the police a break. That man was obviously intent on causing a riot. A riot that would have played right into Israeli hands and those of their apologists. A riot that would have created havoc in the communities the marchers were going through. All the cop was doing was explaining that, to attempt to wade into the marchers, while displaying his Jewishness for all the world to see was a dangerous, and very stupid, thing to do. It was, surely, an act of pure provocation. An act that should have had him arrested if he persisted with the craziness. The police have a tough enough job to do without having to deal with that sort of playacting. Some of the comments on this thread are beyond shocking All the cop was doing was explaining that, to attempt to wade into the marchers, while displaying his Jewishness for all the world to see was a dangerous, and very stupid, thing to do. It was, surely, an act of pure provocationPresumably both you (and the cop) are also of the view that a woman in a short skirt walking down a street is asking, in an act of pure provocation, to be raped? Sorry, but that is a ridiculous analogy. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 22, 2024 5:02:06 GMT
1. It was not an anti Jewish rally... And again it clearly is if an "Openly Jewish" person isn't safe there simply by reason of being an openly Jewish person. Which was exactly the chaps point, which you and your fellow travellers are apparently too dim to grasp. It was a rally against the genocidal actions of the Israeli state, and its Zionist leadership. For which you, and your fellow travellers, seem quite happy to penalise British Jews who have absolutely nothing to do with it. Which, if you weren't so blinkered by your rabid anti-Semitism, you'd probably realise. But we are where we are. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 22, 2024 6:09:56 GMT
1. It was not an anti Jewish rally... And again it clearly is if an "Openly Jewish" person isn't safe there simply by reason of being an openly Jewish person. Which was exactly the chaps point, which you and your fellow travellers are apparently too dim to grasp. It was a rally against the genocidal actions of the Israeli state, and its Zionist leadership. For which you, and your fellow travellers, seem quite happy to penalise British Jews who have absolutely nothing to do with it.Which, if you weren't so blinkered by your rabid anti-Semitism, you'd probably realise. But we are where we are. There are some British Jews, even prominent ones, who support Illegal Settlements in the West Bank, there are some who promote the idea that opposing specific actions by a specific incarnation of the Jewish Government is the same as Antisemitism. These people are clearly not only supporters of, but also apologists for, the extremist Zionist leadership in Jerusalem; a leadership now under scrutiny for War Crimes. Without that ongoing support and apologists for alleged War Crimes the current Israeli government would be forced to change tack, as long as it continues, and as long as the West keeps sending Israel weapons with which to commit War Crimes then nothing much is going to change. The West is enabling, and apologising for, alleged War Crimes; when we should be saying "Woah, lets not send weapons unless we can be 100% certain they will not be used to commit War Crimes, let's reserve unqualified support of Israel until they have been shown to be innocent of the allegations against them." All The Best |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 22, 2024 6:24:39 GMT
And again it clearly is if an "Openly Jewish" person isn't safe there simply by reason of being an openly Jewish person. Which was exactly the chaps point, which you and your fellow travellers are apparently too dim to grasp. For which you, and your fellow travellers, seem quite happy to penalise British Jews who have absolutely nothing to do with it.Which, if you weren't so blinkered by your rabid anti-Semitism, you'd probably realise. But we are where we are. There are some British Jews, even prominent ones, who support Illegal Settlements in the West Bank, there are some who promote the idea that opposing specific actions by a specific incarnation of the Jewish Government is the same as Antisemitism. These people are clearly not only supporters of, but also apologists for, the extremist Zionist leadership in Jerusalem; a leadership now under scrutiny for War Crimes. Without that ongoing support and apologists for alleged War Crimes the current Israeli government would be forced to change tack, as long as it continues, and as long as the West keeps sending Israel weapons with which to commit War Crimes then nothing much is going to change. The West is enabling, and apologising for, alleged War Crimes; when we should be saying "Woah, lets not send weapons unless we can be 100% certain they will not be used to commit War Crimes, let's reserve unqualified support of Israel until they have been shown to be innocent of the allegations against them." All The Best And up jumps another generic lefty to prove me correct.
Well done, NullaVeritas - you people really are crushingly dim.
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Post by sheepy on Apr 22, 2024 6:33:19 GMT
There are some British Jews, even prominent ones, who support Illegal Settlements in the West Bank, there are some who promote the idea that opposing specific actions by a specific incarnation of the Jewish Government is the same as Antisemitism. These people are clearly not only supporters of, but also apologists for, the extremist Zionist leadership in Jerusalem; a leadership now under scrutiny for War Crimes. Without that ongoing support and apologists for alleged War Crimes the current Israeli government would be forced to change tack, as long as it continues, and as long as the West keeps sending Israel weapons with which to commit War Crimes then nothing much is going to change. The West is enabling, and apologising for, alleged War Crimes; when we should be saying "Woah, lets not send weapons unless we can be 100% certain they will not be used to commit War Crimes, let's reserve unqualified support of Israel until they have been shown to be innocent of the allegations against them." All The Best And up jumps another generic lefty to prove me correct.
Well done, NullaVeritas - you people really are crushingly dim.
British Jews Einstein are not the problem, only those who are backing an Israeli government which is completely rogue, when they stand in the street and try and cause problems at peaceful demonstrations so they can get others banned from peaceful protests using a few agitators on behalf of a rogue government, that is an abuse of the British people's kindness and a lack of respect for the intelligence of the British people. If they feel so strongly that they can hide behind a rogue government nobody is stopping them leaving and joining said rogue government in its genocidal quest. Then we can really point fingers at the culprits. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 22, 2024 6:47:04 GMT
You seem intent on defending people who would be triggered into violence by a Jew crossing the road - for the life of me I cannot understand why. If people cannot control themselves if they see a Jew then that is an issue for the Police - it is not an excuse to make Jews hide themselves. I am not defending anyone who would be triggered into violence. I am simply observing that such behaviour has been known to occur among humans and we would be foolish not to anticipate the possibility. You dont prevent those intent on violence by restricting the freedoms of their potential victims. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 22, 2024 7:19:33 GMT
So, every Saturday Jews are expected to hide away in different parts of London because their presence could provoke physical aggression.
It's not bad enough that there has been an upsurge in anti-semitic behaviour towards the Jewish community in the last 5 or so months, but to even be "openly Jewish" is remnant of 1930's Germany.
The Left have enabled this upturned society upon us, where victim, potential or actual has become the perpetrator, and the actual perpetrators are mollycoddled with kid gloves making them feel better.
It's the same kind of thinking that got young white girls groomed up in Rochdale, because their appearance meant they were "openly" looking to be raped.
Alicethroughthelookingglass.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 22, 2024 7:33:37 GMT
The Police keep telling Jews in London that there are no no-go areas and the city is safe for them. Apparently not. I don't know what the police are telling the Jewish communities. However, if you have someone hell-bent on causing a disturbance, if not a riot, that person should be arrested. What leads you to believe he was intent on causing a riot? - all he wanted to do was walk home after visiting the Synagogue. It seems that any claim is valid to avoid acknowledging the threat from the pro-hamas protestors.  |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 22, 2024 7:37:18 GMT
But then like most Westminster party voters, you are way past the point of thinking you need to listen to good advice.
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 22, 2024 7:56:06 GMT
And up jumps another generic lefty to prove me correct.
Well done, NullaVeritas - you people really are crushingly dim.
British Jews Einstein are not the problem, only those who are backing an Israeli government which is completely rogue, when they stand in the street and try and cause problems at peaceful demonstrations so they can get others banned from peaceful protests using a few agitators on behalf of a rogue government, that is an abuse of the British people's kindness and a lack of respect for the intelligence of the British people. If they feel so strongly that they can hide behind a rogue government nobody is stopping them leaving and joining said rogue government in its genocidal quest. Then we can really point fingers at the culprits. You said British Jews had "absolutely nothing to do with" what is happening in Israel. As you did not qualify nor quantify that statement it was reasonable to assume you mean "all British Jews". Because of that you were factually wrong. I then pointed out there is a demographic of British Jews who do have something to do with what is happening in Israel right now. I used a qualifier / quantifier to make it clear I was NOT talking about all British Jews, nor any particular specific British Jew. In this I am factually correct. Not my fault you were seemingly incapable of understanding what you were actually referring to when you made an unqualified and unquantified statement; and for pretending to not understand what I was referring to when I did. The vast majority of both Jews and Palestinians want nothing more than peace; those on both sides who do not are part of the problem, not the solution, and unfortunately right now for Israel Netanyahu is one of them. All The Best All The Best |
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Post by wapentake on Apr 22, 2024 8:26:31 GMT
I don't know what the police are telling the Jewish communities. However, if you have someone hell-bent on causing a disturbance, if not a riot, that person should be arrested. - all he wanted to do was walk home after visiting the Synagogue. It seems that any claim is valid to avoid acknowledging the threat from the pro-hamas protestors. The full sky clip on this man who had not just gone for a walk but was with a group and was intent on causing problems,the police officers showed immense patience with this man and offered to escort him where he said he wanted to go but that’s not what he wanted. They explained they did not have sufficient numbers to allow him to be safe,I ask again who has caused that because they cannot win and if this was a Palestinian trying to cross through a large group in a pro Israeli some people here would call for his arrest. The fact these are happening every weekend is not down to the police they should if they are to be allowed be static and in a designated area so that London can return to some sort of normality. The cops were doing what they were paid to do which is keep the peace if the powers that be wanted that to happen they should be given sufficient resources to do so instead of the pretence they increased police numbers,they haven’t they trimmed them down and now they are only back to where they were when that was done and how many more people are here now. How many on here criticising would do their job,Westminster is full of posers who go with the latest and this is what’s happening now,they are unable to stop the boats or enforce the law so do what they do best blame someone else,in this case the police. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 22, 2024 9:41:03 GMT
This whole event is being used by those who werent even there to play out their particular opinions about freedoms the UK grants to EVERY person.
It is the right of pro Palestinian peopke to demonstrate their partisan views, though it has taken over 50 years for them to realise that Israel has been slowly crushing the life out od Palestine including forbiddung sea or airports, stealing water and controlling energy supply.
No one defended Palestine when Israel built hundreds of settlements on Palestinian land.
There were no demonstrations when Israel dropped white phosphorus bombs into school grounds.
It has taken a Hamas retaliation to wake the west up.
And it has taken a vicious Israeli response to make people aware of what has gone on there.
Fine. About time.
But as usual the emotions of the mob have tested the UK's own compass. I well remember the fuss about wherher Muslim women can wear the burka and the warnings that they may be attacked. The issue resulted in a general acceptance that in the UK you can wear what you want safely.
The problem was not the Jewish young man who can also wear what he wants.
The problem is the wound up activists who think that weekly demos will make one iota of difference other than make problems for innocent Jews who shouls be able to wear what they want in public.
I dont know why hundreds of people shouring in the street think they make a difference. They arent helping the Palestinians, they are ignored by all governments and only pehaps stir up anti Jewish opinion because as always in history, the Jew is the problem.
The problem is ISRAELI POLITICAL POLICY designed by NETANYAHU. I can easily compare him to Putin, in that both want land that isnt theirs and are happy to exterminate innocent people to get it.
My question is
Why does the west support Netanyahu and let him swallow up Palestine, yet give billions to Ukraine to fight against the same thing?
I know Hamas is a proscribed terrorist group but their cause is the same as Zelensky's. And maybe if the west had not been so terrified of upsetting Israel, and Isreal had not identified lack of support as that ultimate curse of antisemitism which scares everyone into supporting it, Palestine could now be a state with all the international protection that means.
Meanwhile, if the UK wants a social situation where anyone can wear what they want, it must include everyone.
I think there have been enough pointless demos and the police should relegate them to areas outside main centres.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 22, 2024 10:23:20 GMT
So do you think notable Tory leaders such as Balfour, Bonar Law, Churchill, Macmillan, Thatcher or Major would recognise — or want to be associated with — today's rebelling Tories such as the Common Sense Group, Truss supporting Conservative Growth Group, ERG, and Red Wall New Conservatives all snapping at the leadership and pushing the party far further Right than voters appear to be comfortable with? Then there's those mostly unpleasant characters with limited apparent ability currently jostling for a go at leadership Add to the mix the cavalier attitude to the truth and honesty of Boris Johnson when PM, and I suggest they'd all be horrified — and probably as tired of the current government as most of the rest of the country I think notable Conservatives from the past, with the exception of Major obviously, would not recognize todays Conservatives as Conservatives. Ever since Cameron's Con/Lib coalition the Tories have been moving from the center right to the center. What this country needs more today than anytime since WW2 is a strong center right Conservative government. As Liz Truss says... ...We are in the midst of an existential fight for our values and way of life, and the odds are stacked against us. We have ten years to save the west. |
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