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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 28, 2022 14:44:58 GMT
He certainly borrowed a lot of his plots but I suspect he did exist. The Anti Semitism Lite he shows was typical for centuries as did anti Catholics (and other religious groups) behaviours. If I go into [walks on thin ice mode] that's not exactly unsurprising considering the 'we are religious group X first, members of society Y second' behaviours some maybe many of those groups have shown. Very very wrong to vest anger on each and any of those groups though. I might argue that his portrayal of Shylock was more than AS lite if I could be bothered but I can't (be bothered). The footy is too good at the moment. |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 28, 2022 18:53:47 GMT
Shakespeare was a real anti-Semite though. Ever read the Merchant of Venice? My English teacher at high school admitted that it was anti-Semitic but justified it by saying that everyone hated Jews at the time. As valid a justification as ''slavery was alright because everybody had slaves back then''. I expect he's dead now though. Good riddance. I never read another Shakespeare play after that, mostly because I found them dull as dishwater to read rather than because Shakespeare was a bigot. As for those sonnets, get out of the closet Willy. There were no Jews in England in Shakespeare's time, William the Conqueror brought them over but the were banned and deported around 1300, they were not allowed back in until Cromwell's time. Maybe The Merchant of Venice was a story that Shakespeare didn't write. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 28, 2022 19:15:52 GMT
Shakespeare was a real anti-Semite though. Ever read the Merchant of Venice? My English teacher at high school admitted that it was anti-Semitic but justified it by saying that everyone hated Jews at the time. As valid a justification as ''slavery was alright because everybody had slaves back then''. I expect he's dead now though. Good riddance. I never read another Shakespeare play after that, mostly because I found them dull as dishwater to read rather than because Shakespeare was a bigot. As for those sonnets, get out of the closet Willy. There were no Jews in England in Shakespeare's time, William the Conqueror brought them over but the were banned and deported around 1300, they were not allowed back in until Cromwell's time. Maybe The Merchant of Venice was a story that Shakespeare didn't write. As far as I know Venice has never been in England. Yes it was Edward I who kicked out the Jews in 1290. The Edict of Expulsion lasted until 1657. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 28, 2022 19:28:41 GMT
The Edict of Expulsion has never been repealed.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 28, 2022 19:39:11 GMT
The Edict of Expulsion has never been repealed. It was overturned. |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 28, 2022 19:48:59 GMT
There were no Jews in England in Shakespeare's time, William the Conqueror brought them over but the were banned and deported around 1300, they were not allowed back in until Cromwell's time. Maybe The Merchant of Venice was a story that Shakespeare didn't write. As far as I know Venice has never been in England. Yes it was Edward I who kicked out the Jews in 1290. The Edict of Expulsion lasted until 1657. Were you responding to my post or one you read elsewhere? |
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Post by jeg er on Nov 28, 2022 19:52:57 GMT
. . . A recent classic example was the actress Gina Carano (from The Mandalorian) who got slated for so called antisemitism because she said the treatment (trumpian) rebublicans received was like how the jews were treated during the holocaust. Which was just stupid and idiotic, but just as stupid and idiotic to hound her over antisemitism, as she literally said nothing against Jews. Godwin's Law, yes, but antisemitism, defo not Gina Carano was a complete fool and that god awful offensive post of hers with that image was intended to offend many many people and not just Jews. Sad though it was to lose a good actress the producers had no real choice. Programmes rely on audiences so don't need anyone killing their audience figures. Not an AS issue. Seems a bit harsh to get fired for just being stupid though. I should imagine we all have said stupid things. Glad to see though that you changed your mind now though, Steve, and you do not think it was an AS issue anymore |
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Post by Steve on Nov 28, 2022 20:47:26 GMT
It was horrendously offensive to Jews and also to those who disagree with her politically
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Post by jeg er on Nov 28, 2022 21:49:28 GMT
It was horrendously offensive to Jews and also to those who disagree with her politically i can see why it would be terribly offensive to jews, as it is an idiot way of misusing the holocaust, but it is good to see you do not have it down as antisemitism like you did last time. but horrendously offensive to people who disagree with her politically??? since when has that been a thing. doesnt every politico on the planet feel horrendously offended by people they disagree with   |
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Post by Steve on Nov 29, 2022 0:26:58 GMT
Well feel free to link to what you say I said last time.
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Post by jeg er on Nov 29, 2022 7:22:18 GMT
Well feel free to link to what you say I said last time. the old place |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 29, 2022 9:42:17 GMT
The Edict of Expulsion has never been repealed. It was overturned. Ignored, not overturned. It was never repealed by Parliament. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 29, 2022 9:45:24 GMT
Well feel free to link to what you say I said last time. the old place So we only have what you say I said there. Well I'll just ignore that then. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 29, 2022 9:51:42 GMT
Ignored, not overturned. It was never repealed by Parliament. True but there's a whole raft of legislation in the last 100 years that courts would say effectively annuls it It's more interesting IMHO in that it shows what can happen when large numbers of an identifiable group of people openly act as people of that group first, second and last with only regard for the laws and practices of the society they live in IF they see fit. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 29, 2022 10:08:22 GMT
The law that makes it legal to use your bow to kill a Welshman, seen after dark, from the walls of Chester castle was never repealed either.
It has been overturned by subsequent laws though so I don't recommend trying it.
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