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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2024 10:04:32 GMT
I came across this post on TwitteX this morning and thought that it pretty well sums up the current state of British politics.
Come the General Election, we have no real choices. Who voted in Sunak, Cameron and Hunt?
Wherever we put our cross we get the globalist government.
And they call this democracy?
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Post by wapentake on Apr 10, 2024 10:17:17 GMT
And we will fare no better under the nasal knobs reign.
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Post by piglet on Apr 10, 2024 10:36:39 GMT
No it isnt black. The Nazis were smart, they indoctrinated the very young into the Nazi way of doing and thinking, and got them for life, even laying their lives down for the cause.
Its whats happening today, the left, wokery, the social engineering in primary schools, secondary schools universities. The reason wokery is so widespread is because vast amounts of people have signed up. The older generation are immune to nonsense because we have common sense, an absence of indoctrination.
The young people of today will become old people, the left and wokery will be the norm, look at it today, bbc itv, sky, the papers, etc all are preaching, re-inforcing the message.
He who rocks the cradle rules the earth. The result of all of this is what ails the country, the cess pit we are in. On a wider scale, humanity, or is it just britain is self destructing, and those that would save us are on the fringes.
And not listened too. Cameron is the architect of todays britain, the tories of today.
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 10, 2024 14:19:43 GMT
Sometime - You have to give credit where and when it's due
I am not a supporter of the Conservatives, however, David Cameron in my opinion is a very good diplomat, he has been in the United States doing the right thing, saying the right things to the right people on behalf of the UK, Ukraine, Europe, on behalf of the alliances we belong to, including NATO, and on behalf of our shared principles, which would appear to be under threat if we get Donald Trump.
I blame Cameron for dividing Britain by indulging in an EU referendum, which at the time was not needed or wanted, it was an issue way down the list of voters priorities. HOwever, things are what they are, and we have to "get on with it".
There's probably not a more important issue or danger facing us and the West than Russia, and many in the US Republican Party are willing to sacrifice Ukraine and put European security in danger.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2024 14:59:14 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 10, 2024 15:04:19 GMT
I blame Cameron for dividing Britain by indulging in an EU referendum, which at the time was not needed or wanted, it was an issue way down the list of voters priorities. HOwever, things are what they are, and we have to "get on with it". A referendum was a manifesto commitment and quite possibly why he won a majority at the election. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 10, 2024 16:03:09 GMT
I blame Cameron for dividing Britain by indulging in an EU referendum, which at the time was not needed or wanted, it was an issue way down the list of voters priorities. HOwever, things are what they are, and we have to "get on with it". A referendum was a manifesto commitment and quite possibly why he won a majority at the election. Yes it was, but it was not his best decision was it Im pretty sure he never expected to be dragged to adhere to that promise |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 10, 2024 16:24:26 GMT
Sometime - You have to give credit where and when it's due I am not a supporter of the Conservatives, however, David Cameron in my opinion is a very good diplomat, he has been in the United States doing the right thing, saying the right things to the right people on behalf of the UK, Ukraine, Europe, on behalf of the alliances we belong to, including NATO, and on behalf of our shared principles, which would appear to be under threat if we get Donald Trump. I blame Cameron for dividing Britain by indulging in an EU referendum, which at the time was not needed or wanted, it was an issue way down the list of voters priorities. HOwever, things are what they are, and we have to "get on with it". There's probably not a more important issue or danger facing us and the West than Russia, and many in the US Republican Party are willing to sacrifice Ukraine and put European security in danger. Of the now 218 Republicans in the House, a minority of them, 57, typically vote against aid to Ukraine. If aid to Ukraine were a standalone issue, it would pass because Democrats overwhelmingly vote in favour of it. But the bigger problem for Europe is that with the Republicans in the majority in the House, they bundle aid to Ukraine with other issues they want to pass. They had a Ukraine aid/immigration bill on the table and then changed their minds and killed it because they wanted to politicise it so that Trump can use it as a campaign weapon. They're doing this in an attempt to cement their party's political power. And if Trump wins re-election, he very well may pull the US out of NATO, further endangering European security. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 10, 2024 17:28:12 GMT
European security should not be dependent on the whims of a politician 4,000 miles away. Europe consists of some of the richest countries on the planet who are well capable of organising their own defence and security should they so wish.
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Post by Ripley on Apr 10, 2024 18:24:24 GMT
European security should not be dependent on the whims of a politician 4,000 miles away. Europe consists of some of the richest countries on the planet who are well capable of organising their own defence and security should they so wish. I agree, but what about the UK? Do you think that the UK is adequately equipped against Russia? |
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 10, 2024 20:02:17 GMT
European security should not be dependent on the whims of a politician 4,000 miles away. Europe consists of some of the richest countries on the planet who are well capable of organising their own defence and security should they so wish. I agree, but what about the UK? Do you think that the UK is adequately equipped against Russia? Absolutely not, and neither is any European country on their own However, TOGETHER in an alliance, a defence alliance, Europe can take on Russia and pose a very real and potent deterent. Much of Eastern Europe and Germany is increasing its defence spending, modernising and increasing the size of their armed forces. Poland has now overtaken the UK in in the size of its army, numbers of tanks and equipment, as a direct result of Putin's actions. We are in an era where we can either be "Chaberlins" or "Churchills", and history should teach people a lesson here, if Trump is a threat to NATO, then the UK must take a leading role in a European Defence Alliance. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 10, 2024 21:06:49 GMT
We are in an era where we can either be "Chaberlins" or "Churchills", and history should teach people a lesson here, if Trump is a threat to NATO, then the UK must take a leading role in a European Defence Alliance. A bit late in the day for that.
Brexit has demonstrated the truth in de Gaulle's axiom that "a number of aspects of Britain's economy, from working practices to agriculture" had "made Britain incompatible with Europe" and that Britain harboured a "deep-seated hostility" to any pan-European project.
Whichever way the United States turns, the UK will have to follow. It has given itself no other choice.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 10, 2024 21:13:30 GMT
European security should not be dependent on the whims of a politician 4,000 miles away. Europe consists of some of the richest countries on the planet who are well capable of organising their own defence and security should they so wish. I agree, but what about the UK? Do you think that the UK is adequately equipped against Russia? No - but that is the choice of the UK. It is not incumbent on the USA to provide defence for countries who can well afford to do it for themselves but choose not to. |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 10, 2024 21:14:19 GMT
I agree, but what about the UK? Do you think that the UK is adequately equipped against Russia? Absolutely not, and neither is any European country on their own However, TOGETHER in an alliance, a defence alliance, Europe can take on Russia and pose a very real and potent deterent. Much of Eastern Europe and Germany is increasing its defence spending, modernising and increasing the size of their armed forces. Poland has now overtaken the UK in in the size of its army, numbers of tanks and equipment, as a direct result of Putin's actions. We are in an era where we can either be "Chaberlins" or "Churchills", and history should teach people a lesson here, if Trump is a threat to NATO, then the UK must take a leading role in a European Defence Alliance. A withdrawal of the US would weaken NATO but I don't know that it poses a threat as such. NATO would still continue to exist, no? |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 10, 2024 21:17:07 GMT
I agree, but what about the UK? Do you think that the UK is adequately equipped against Russia? Absolutely not, and neither is any European country on their own However, TOGETHER in an alliance, a defence alliance, Europe can take on Russia and pose a very real and potent deterent. Much of Eastern Europe and Germany is increasing its defence spending, modernising and increasing the size of their armed forces. Poland has now overtaken the UK in in the size of its army, numbers of tanks and equipment, as a direct result of Putin's actions. We are in an era where we can either be "Chaberlins" or "Churchills", and history should teach people a lesson here, if Trump is a threat to NATO, then the UK must take a leading role in a European Defence Alliance. Why? - the UK has been the lead in the defence of Europe for around 200 years now, surely its time for someone else to do their bit. What about France? - they are a nuclear power and could easily afford to increase defence spending to become the most powerful Army on the European Continent. |
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