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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 10, 2024 22:54:22 GMT
Absolutely not, and neither is any European country on their own However, TOGETHER in an alliance, a defence alliance, Europe can take on Russia and pose a very real and potent deterent. Much of Eastern Europe and Germany is increasing its defence spending, modernising and increasing the size of their armed forces. Poland has now overtaken the UK in in the size of its army, numbers of tanks and equipment, as a direct result of Putin's actions. We are in an era where we can either be "Chaberlins" or "Churchills", and history should teach people a lesson here, if Trump is a threat to NATO, then the UK must take a leading role in a European Defence Alliance. Why? - the UK has been the lead in the defence of Europe for around 200 years now, surely its time for someone else to do their bit. What about France? - they are a nuclear power and could easily afford to increase defence spending to become the most powerful Army on the European Continent. Not sure i fancy that tbh. We have to get the yanks approval to fire our nukes, france dont |
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 11, 2024 9:08:56 GMT
Where I state that the UK must take a leading role in any new European Defence pact, I mean alongside the major European powers - France, Germany, Poland etc.
You would fall into the same trap of those who cheered Chamberlin with his "peace in our time" if you were foolish enough to believe that Putin would stop at Ukraine.
The Russian President consistently singles out the UK as an enemy of Russia, and political commentaters in Russia have made sinister threats and suggestions as to how Russia could attack the United Kingdom.
Donald Trump stated recently that for those nations who did not pay what he believes to be "their share" of NATO defence, he would (quote) "invite Russia to attack them".
If Trump pulls the US from NATO, then NATO is finished, and the only other NATO member on that side of the Atlantic would need to give very serious consideration as to whether they would continue with a defence treaty aimed at protecting Europe.
Lets remind posters of some of Putin's views on Europe: "wherever there are ethnic Russians, they are our people, and have our protection" ... A direct reference not only to Ukraine, but also to Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia.
The Russian President is also on record as saying that Russian speakers are also our people, he is already laid the ground for any potential / future invasion of nations beyond Ukraine.
This is almost a mirror image of Germany in the 1930s, the excuses that Hitler gave for invading Austria, the Sudatenland and elsewhere.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 11, 2024 9:45:25 GMT
I came across this post on TwitteX this morning and thought that it pretty well sums up the current state of British politics. Come the General Election, we have no real choices. Who voted in Sunak, Cameron and Hunt? Wherever we put our cross we get the globalist government. And they call this democracy? The choice we have is simple. Vote for more of the same, or vote Reform UK. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2024 9:50:11 GMT
I came across this post on TwitteX this morning and thought that it pretty well sums up the current state of British politics. Come the General Election, we have no real choices. Who voted in Sunak, Cameron and Hunt? Wherever we put our cross we get the globalist government. And they call this democracy? The choice we have is simple. Vote for more of the same, or vote Reform UK. As the Tweet says, the Reform party are a collection of oafs. I'm not saying don't vote for these particular oafs, as each party has their own oafs. The hurdle is the FPTP system which will mean votes for Reform will not count. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 11, 2024 10:01:42 GMT
The choice we have is simple. Vote for more of the same, or vote Reform UK. As the Tweet says, the Reform party are a collection of oafs. I'm not saying don't vote for these particular oafs, as each party has their own oafs. The hurdle is the FPTP system which will mean votes for Reform will not count. Well that's got me convinced, I'll defo vote for more of the same. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 11, 2024 10:04:48 GMT
The choice we have is simple. Vote for more of the same, or vote Reform UK. As the Tweet says, the Reform party are a collection of oafs. I'm not saying don't vote for these particular oafs, as each party has their own oafs. The hurdle is the FPTP system which will mean votes for Reform will not count. Nothing wrong with trying something new.....Rather than for the 2 parties that you couldn's slide a fag paper inbetween |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 11, 2024 10:09:13 GMT
As the Tweet says, the Reform party are a collection of oafs. I'm not saying don't vote for these particular oafs, as each party has their own oafs. The hurdle is the FPTP system which will mean votes for Reform will not count. Nothing wrong with trying something new.....Rather than for the 2 parties that you couldn's slide a fag paper inbetween Indeed, I seem to remember people laughing at UKIP, yet it was Farage who had the last laugh. |
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Post by vlk on Apr 13, 2024 22:13:48 GMT
Labour can only win when they have a moderate leadership as they do now but when they win with that moderate leadership they always have resentment within the party that the Labour-government just isn't left enough.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 13, 2024 22:31:36 GMT
I came across this post on TwitteX this morning and thought that it pretty well sums up the current state of British politics. Come the General Election, we have no real choices. Who voted in Sunak, Cameron and Hunt? Wherever we put our cross we get the globalist government. And they call this democracy? The choice is indeed pretty dismal, we have lacklustre politicians, on both sides, who more or less represent the same centrist agenda that few of the electorate want. or agree with. Which is why Reform UK have gone from nothing to 15% of the vote in five years. It's not reported but Reform UK's rise is unprecedented. It's almost impossible for a new political party to get off the ground in this country, UKIP were the exception, until now. Lefties will sneer at Reform UK, as they sneered at UKIP. But people who are unhappy with the political status quo have two choices: Vote for more of the same, or vote Reform UK. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 13, 2024 23:04:49 GMT
Labour can only win when they have a moderate leadership as they do now but when they win with that moderate leadership they always have resentment within the party that the Labour-government just isn't left enough. Indeed, times change and the days of Harold Wilson are gone. You are right, to have any chance of winning an election and in spite of a minority of hard core lefties who will always be there, Labour must appear to be moderate, centrist even. Blair was the most successful Labour prime minister because he was centrist, Corbyn failed miserably because he was ideologically left wing. But this poses a problem for Starmer, if he moves Labour to the centre as he has, he mirrors Tory policies. This is made even more obvious due to Sunak and his centrist conservative government who are in for an electoral kicking because they're centrist. Add to this, politicians have never been duller, where are the Dennis Skinners the Alan Clarks. I hope a good turnout for Reform UK will wake the Tories up and move them back to the centre right. |
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