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Post by Dogburger on Apr 15, 2024 14:33:28 GMT
Nobody should be allowed to vote unless they turn up at the polling station and I personally wouldn't allow immigrants the right to vote in General Elections Hopefully, complaints about voters requiring photo ID will subside.
Only British citizens, British overseas voters, resident Irish citizens and resident qualifying Commonwealth citizens are allowed to vote in UK Parliamentary elections...
Well seeing as I have suggested people have to turn up to vote and should be British citizens that count's out overseas voters ,Irish and the Commonwealth . |
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 15, 2024 14:34:58 GMT
I wasn't really thinking of children born to British citizens who are working overseas . So you're not actually bothered about where people are born? No, neither am I. This thread is about tactical voting. 🙃 The conversation has moved on to more important things  |
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Post by steppenwolf on Apr 18, 2024 7:09:40 GMT
I'm more worried about TMV (The Muslim Vote) which organises voting among muslim populations so that a selected muslim candidate is block voted for - often by postal votes. There should be far more security around postal votes to prevent abuse and there should be a new law that prevents organising votes along religious lines. Also police should be present at polling stations to prevent intimidation. It might be a good idea to also check the mosques for imams telling people who to vote for - which is already illegal but never policed. This is pie in the sky. Muslims will vote however they want, but if their Iman has advised a particular vote, that is not illegal is it? They don't have to take that advice. Police being present at polling stations doesn't do a lot as voting is secret in a booth. Postal votes seem to have become the norm, these days, it used to be the exception. That does seem open to abuse. It's called "undue influence". It depends on what the imam says whether the influence is "undue". If the imam says that you're not a good muslim if you don't vote for their selected muslim candidate - then that is illegal. And there's also the matter of the secrecy of the ballot. Many of these people get a postal vote and all they do is fill in their name and address and then hand it on to a collector who fills in the selected candidate. This is illegal too but it's what happens. IMO postal votes should only be given to those who have a very good reason, but it seems to be available to anyone nowadays. It's an open door to various forms of fraud. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 22, 2024 19:07:28 GMT
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Post by LL on Jun 22, 2024 19:27:58 GMT
There are a number of tactical voting websites. I truly hope anyone in a marginal uses them to kick the tories out - my preference would be permanently but I doubt it.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 22, 2024 19:36:03 GMT
And the nation.
Personally I'm going to vote tactically for the party that I actually want. ie one that isn't an establishment shill.
YMMV.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 22, 2024 19:36:29 GMT
There are a number of tactical voting websites. I truly hope anyone in a marginal uses them to kick the tories out - my preference would be permanently but I doubt it. Zeig Heil, Herr LL. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 22, 2024 19:38:06 GMT
If Farage wants to do the country a favour he should pull out of Tory strong holds, and focus on taking seats from Labour, it's a forgone conclusion Labour are going to win the GE but we need to keep their majority to a minimum, preferably a hung parliament would be best.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 22, 2024 19:41:24 GMT
If Farage wants to do the country a favour he should pull out of Tory strong holds, and focus on taking seats from Labour, it's a forgone conclusion Labour are going to win the GE but we need to keep their majority to a minimum, preferably a hung parliament would be best. Richard Tice said that the aim of Reform was to destroy the Tories. Why would they want to help them? That's what they did in 2019 and look where it got them. Where I do agree with you is that a supermajority with no opposition is not good for the country. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 22, 2024 19:47:54 GMT
If Farage wants to do the country a favour he should pull out of Tory strong holds, and focus on taking seats from Labour, it's a forgone conclusion Labour are going to win the GE but we need to keep their majority to a minimum, preferably a hung parliament would be best. Richard Tice said that the aim of Reform was to destroy the Tories. Why would they want to help them? That's what they did in 2019 and look where it got them. Where I do agree with you is that a supermajority with no opposition is not good for the country. The Tories have pissed Farage off, because Farage is a 'True' Tory through and through.
Farage is cutting off his nose to spite his face because the Tories have basically fucked him off.
Farage is 'hell hath no fury like a Farage scorned'... and he's going to punish the whole country by giving Labour a freehand.
Starmer can't lose, its a win win win all the way for him, and he's a complete and utter fuckin useless dumbnut .... he's laughing his head off.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 22, 2024 20:17:48 GMT
Richard Tice said that the aim of Reform was to destroy the Tories. Why would they want to help them? That's what they did in 2019 and look where it got them. Where I do agree with you is that a supermajority with no opposition is not good for the country. The Tories have pissed Farage off, because Farage is a 'True' Tory through and through.
Farage is cutting off his nose to spite his face because the Tories have basically fucked him off.
Farage is 'hell hath no fury like a Farage scorned'... and he's going to punish the whole country by giving Labour a freehand.
Starmer can't lose, its a win win win all the way for him, and he's a complete and utter fuckin useless dumbnut .... he's laughing his head off.
Even if Reform stood down a la 2019, Labour would still win. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 22, 2024 20:23:17 GMT
If Farage wants to do the country a favour he should pull out of Tory strong holds... Nope, other way round. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 22, 2024 20:23:40 GMT
The Tories have pissed Farage off, because Farage is a 'True' Tory through and through.
Farage is cutting off his nose to spite his face because the Tories have basically fucked him off.
Farage is 'hell hath no fury like a Farage scorned'... and he's going to punish the whole country by giving Labour a freehand.
Starmer can't lose, its a win win win all the way for him, and he's a complete and utter fuckin useless dumbnut .... he's laughing his head off.
Even if Reform stood down a la 2019, Labour would still win. Given any previous governments be it Labour/Tory who have both served terms of 10 years +, and they have ended in disaster, time to set up a voting system whereby no party Labour/Tory can serve more than two terms maximum, Labour think they are going to win this next GE and be in power FOREVER.
Absolutely NO NO NO.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 22, 2024 20:26:43 GMT
If Farage wants to do the country a favour he should pull out of Tory strong holds... Nope, other way round. Reform are trying to take seats in marginal constituencies, those constituencies hang in the balance from a Tory/Labour win, if the win goes to Reform it boosts Labour.. so Labour basically can't lose, because it's Tories v Reform and not Tories v Labour. |
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Post by Cartertonian on Jun 22, 2024 20:31:09 GMT
We wouldn't need tactical voting if we had a decent PR electoral system. Consider this:
Progressives = Lab + LD
Conservatives = Con + UKIP
2001
Progressives – 59%
Conservatives – 33.1%
2005
Progressives – 57.2%
Conservatives – 34.6%
2010
Progressives – 52%
Conservatives – 36.1%
2015
Progressives – 38.3%
Conservatives - 49.4%
2017
Progressives – 47.4%
Conservatives – 42.3%
2019
Progressives – 43.7%
Conservatives 43.6%
Only in 2015, after the coalition which was disastrous for the LDs, have conservative parties actual won a majority of the vote, yet we have had the conservatives in charge for 14 years.
Why do Con/Reform folk think they speak for the majority, when the numbers don't support that?
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