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Post by piglet on Apr 7, 2024 12:46:16 GMT
In another thread see 2 casts doubt on my assumption that Britain is by default conservative, well lets measure it.
I havent the time, but arnt voting numbers made public. ? Lets say from the 1950s, can anyone total up the numbers, in general elections, how many, in that time to the present, voted conservative and how many labour. I would guess that about a third more vote blue.
Tony Blair said that Labour are a party of protest, and thats all there is.
Im good at predictions, even when faced with cast iron evidence contrary to the lefts belief, denial and resistance will rule, indeed, those things must function to show socialism has any sort of credibility. Whatever the figures are, someone will question it.
And the thing that irks me, finance, that even when faced with constant financial irresposibility when running the country, its explained away as someone elses fault, projection.
Mental defence mechanisms are used by the mentally ill because reality is too hard to bear.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 7, 2024 13:09:17 GMT
A labour voter in 1950 would seem conservative ( with a small c) compared with many Tory voters today imo.
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Post by patman post on Apr 7, 2024 13:26:06 GMT
Voting Conservative, conservative voting practices, and having conservative principles are not necessarily the same.
Not everyone who votes Labour is a raving radical looney. Similarly, not everyone who votes Conservative is a passive Right of centre, mixed economy supporting, free enterprise moderate.
Election results don’t necessarily reflect deeply help political conviction. Sometimes they simply indicate that most voters are fed up with their current administrations, and are happy if the job is passed on to someone different…
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 7, 2024 14:22:05 GMT
In another thread see 2 casts doubt on my assumption that Britain is by default conservative, well lets measure it. I havent the time, but arnt voting numbers made public. ? Lets say from the 1950s, can anyone total up the numbers, in general elections, how many, in that time to the present, voted conservative and how many labour. I would guess that about a third more vote blue. Tony Blair said that Labour are a party of protest, and thats all there is. Im good at predictions, even when faced with cast iron evidence contrary to the lefts belief, denial and resistance will rule, indeed, those things must function to show socialism has any sort of credibility. Whatever the figures are, someone will question it. And the thing that irks me, finance, that even when faced with constant financial irresposibility when running the country, its explained away as someone elses fault, projection. Mental defence mechanisms are used by the mentally ill because reality is too hard to bear. More people voted for centrist or leftist parties in 2019 than rightist parties. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 7, 2024 14:38:16 GMT
Over the last 70 odd years two thirds of our governments have been Conservative.
So yes, I'd say that we are Conservative by default.
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Post by Cartertonian on Apr 7, 2024 15:14:48 GMT
Over the last 70 odd years two thirds of our governments have been Conservative. So yes, I'd say that we are Conservative by default. Over the last 70 odd years no government has won a majority of the vote, in fact if you excuse the War years, the largest majority of the vote in the last hundred years was given to Ramsay MacDonald's 1931 Labour government (67.2%), so I'd say the electorate are not conservative by default. The most the Tories have managed in the last century was a 49.7% in 1955. Relying on the distortion of FPTP to claim the country is conservative by nature is dishonest. The Tories haven't won over 50% of the vote since Churchill. |
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 7, 2024 15:33:33 GMT
Does this mean "Conservative" in attitudes or "Conservative" politically, because I believe there is a difference,
Lets look at the last general election to try and get a clue as to whether we are generally Conservative, politically.
32,014,110 people voted - 13,966,454 people voted for the Conservative Party, and a further 1 million people voted for other Righ / Right wing / Conservative parties ( DUP, Brexit, UUP, UKIP ).
10,269,051 people voted Labour, and a further 2,66 million people voted for other progressive / Left political parties ( Green, SDLP, Alliance, Plaid, SNP ) a total of 12.9 million.
In an election where Labour performed its worst result since the 1930s, due to (A) Jeremy Corbyn, and (B) Brexit, the differential between Left and Right is less than 2 miilion votes.
HOWEVER, we have left out the Lib Dems here, who are often described as Left of centre, or Centre to Centre Left, but they are certainly NOT Conservative, they are a progressive political party. At the 2019 general election, the Lib Dems atained almost 3.7 million votes.
CONCLUSION: The UK is at best indifferent, but taking into consideration the facts, the country leans more towards Liberal and Centre ground, but that we are probably Conservative in many attitudes, particularly surrounding history and our attitudes to tradition.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 7, 2024 15:56:10 GMT
Tony Blair said that Labour are a party of protest, and thats all there is. . Funny you say that but I was just reading about Christine Keeler and I found this in wiki.
So to be more accurate
Labour are a party of protest and grandsons of bank robbers.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 7, 2024 19:45:45 GMT
Over the last 70 odd years two thirds of our governments have been Conservative. So yes, I'd say that we are Conservative by default. Over the last 70 odd years no government has won a majority of the vote, in fact if you excuse the War years, the largest majority of the vote in the last hundred years was given to Ramsay MacDonald's 1931 Labour government (67.2%), so I'd say the electorate are not conservative by default. The most the Tories have managed in the last century was a 49.7% in 1955. Relying on the distortion of FPTP to claim the country is conservative by nature is dishonest. The Tories haven't won over 50% of the vote since Churchill. And Labour will be getting nothing like that this time around.
Although I'm sure you'll go quiet on the distortion of fptp if it delivers a result that you favour.
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Post by borchester on Apr 7, 2024 20:02:22 GMT
The British are largely Conservative. Unfortunately for Rishi Sunak and Co, many of them will vote Labour
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Post by Cartertonian on Apr 7, 2024 21:35:40 GMT
Nope
Card-carrying Lib Dem and advocate for PR since I was 16.
Labour will merely be the least worst option at the GE.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 7, 2024 22:06:04 GMT
Nope Card-carrying Lib Dem and advocate for PR since I was 16. Labour will merely be the least worst option at the GE. Coming from a place where at election time the Tory knocks on the door and immediately assumes the person who answers will be voting Conservative, like "Ah good evening, you'll be voting for us at the next election won't you(grin)" I just wondered how you ended up Lib Dem at such a young age. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 8, 2024 4:43:01 GMT
Nope Card-carrying Lib Dem and advocate for PR since I was 16. Labour will merely be the least worst option at the GE. Dunno about the least worst option, given the rate at which the Tories are imploding, come the GE they'll be the only option.
I shall vote Reform. I know it's likely a lost cause but I will not be complicit in the upcoming Labour shit show.
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 8, 2024 6:47:39 GMT
The British are largely Conservative. Unfortunately for Rishi Sunak and Co, many of them will vote Labour if the leader of the party was a conservative, it might be different. I don't know what he is, but I've never known the country less open to letting the little guy make his own living since the day I understood how my great uncle paid his bills from the difference between the price he paid unigate for a crate of milk on the float he rented from them and the price he charged for the milk he left on his customers doorstep, and how much more he made on the bottles of orange juice some also asked him to deliver. That was about 61 years ago btw |
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Post by Cartertonian on Apr 8, 2024 9:09:09 GMT
Nope Card-carrying Lib Dem and advocate for PR since I was 16. Labour will merely be the least worst option at the GE. Coming from a place where at election time the Tory knocks on the door and immediately assumes the person who answers will be voting Conservative, like "Ah good evening, you'll be voting for us at the next election won't you(grin)" I just wondered how you ended up Lib Dem at such a young age. As I have explained before, when I was sixteen the choice at the ballot box was between the brutality of Thatcher or the idiocy of Kinnock. |
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