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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 7, 2024 20:47:04 GMT
The sensible approach is to understand each person you employ and then find then the jobs they are best at. A little two-way communication goes a long way in preventing trouble down the line. Sometimes employees suggest better ways of doing the job than the manager had in mind. You don't want to take the arsehole approach and thing the workers are your personal slaves and should do anything they are told any way some not so bright employer thinks it should be done. I tend to give the workers some slack, but keep a note of deliberate pisstaking and would aim to get rid of them if they were the type you had to constantly keep checking their work. You want each man with his own patch of responsibility and he can perfect that bit of the operation. I employ people to do a job I've advertised - I would not employ someone and then find them a job to do. An employee who subsequently demands that each verbal instruction (which other employees follow without issues) is confirmed in writing by wasting the time of a n other is a total PITA and if they have jumped on the bandwagon is , unfortunately , as good as unsackable. It all depends on the nature of your business. Some businesses there is flexibility, and so you can juggle it around. Regrading the job advertised, well often the way the advert is worded it is impossible to know what the heck it is on about. Also people talk a load of crap when applying for a job and will say anything to you. You only really know how good they are once they are doing the work. They might have hidden talents.
By the way, I'm largely with you regarding the writing it all down business. I would not have thought that necessary unless the job is very complicated and say it is a legal process and every step must be done exactly right, so you would document it so they don't have an excuse for forgetting one part. Most communication I'd think talking is the best way. A lot of people find the overuse of paperwork rather intimidating anyway. Autistic people can take clear verbal instructions. The problem arises with non-verbal communication, like giving someone a dirty look if you think they are wrong. That can get completely unnoticed by an autistic person. You keep it matter of fact. Try and steer clear of metaphorical language or the you should know attitude. Autism is a bit like instructing a computer. You give clear logical instructions and you will get the right answer every time, but garbage in = garbage out. They like routines as well.
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Post by happyhornet on Apr 8, 2024 4:37:26 GMT
I got my job on merit from my successful track record and proven capability. My employer knew of my diagnosis before offering me the job. I'm not unsackable, I have the same terms and conditions as everyone else. I'm not "incapable of listening and acting when told of work". If a better qualified neurotypical person had applied for the job they'd have gotten it. But they didn't. I'm happy, my employer is happy. How is it any of your damn business? You asked me a question , I answered it You didn't like my answer , your problem I don't have a problem, clearly you do although I'm still none the wiser as to why. Maybe you're just one of those people who hates to see other people getting on in life. You notice I'm not trying to dictate what arrangements you and your employer should have? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 8, 2024 10:43:14 GMT
You asked me a question , I answered it You didn't like my answer , your problem I don't have a problem, clearly you do although I'm still none the wiser as to why. Maybe you're just one of those people who hates to see other people getting on in life. You notice I'm not trying to dictate what arrangements you and your employer should have? It sounds like you are one of the lucky ones. In your group only one in six got lucky. The concern really is for the other five. They might have been good workers if they had not been treated so prejudicially. I mean I'm not really blaming the employer here because I think most of the damage will have been caused way before the candidate faces getting a job. They will already have a track record that provides a huge handicap. The system is non-Markovian. |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 8, 2024 10:56:38 GMT
You asked me a question , I answered it You didn't like my answer , your problem I don't have a problem, clearly you do although I'm still none the wiser as to why. Maybe you're just one of those people who hates to see other people getting on in life. You notice I'm not trying to dictate what arrangements you and your employer should have? I've explained fully - you don't understand the reason , your problem , not mine 2) You couldn't be further from the truth , however I wouldn't featherbed or pander because someone thinks they are 'special' and makes demands that waste a n other's time 3) A job application with me which declared 'specialness' would go straight in the bin. |
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Post by happyhornet on Apr 8, 2024 12:00:53 GMT
I don't have a problem, clearly you do although I'm still none the wiser as to why. Maybe you're just one of those people who hates to see other people getting on in life. You notice I'm not trying to dictate what arrangements you and your employer should have? I've explained fully - you don't understand the reason , your problem , not mine 2) You couldn't be further from the truth , however I wouldn't featherbed or pander because someone thinks they are 'special' and makes demands that waste a n other's time 3) A job application with me which declared 'specialness' would go straight in the bin. You seem pretty enraged about me carving out a successful career for myself. I'll ask again seeing as you ducked it last time, would you rather I wasn't working and paying tax but claiming unemployment benefit instead? 2) I haven't made demands I made a request which my employer granted, they obviously think I'm worth it. Again how is it any of your business? 3) Attitudes like yours go a long way to explaining the autistic unemployment rate. I also suspect that such an act would be a breach of the Equality Act. I'll remember this next time I hear you complaining about others not respecting our laws. |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 8, 2024 12:16:33 GMT
I've explained fully - you don't understand the reason , your problem , not mine 2) You couldn't be further from the truth , however I wouldn't featherbed or pander because someone thinks they are 'special' and makes demands that waste a n other's time 3) A job application with me which declared 'specialness' would go straight in the bin. You seem pretty enraged about me carving out a successful career for myself. I'll ask again seeing as you ducked it last time, would you rather I wasn't working and paying tax but claiming unemployment benefit instead? 2) I haven't made demands I made a request which my employer granted, they obviously think I'm worth it. Again how is it any of your business? 3) Attitudes like yours go a long way to explaining the autistic unemployment rate. I also suspect that such an act would be a breach of the Equality Act. I'll remember this next time I hear you complaining about others not respecting our laws. You seem intent on making an argument out of my reply (which you don't seem to understand) to a question YOU asked me . Your problem , not mine. As you've apparently found employment which complies with your demands/requests for what you call ''minor'' adjustments as a specially protected worker then good for you if you are paying income tax and not claiming welfare benefits . Such an employee would in my view be best suited in the public sector where initiative is not generally a prerequisite . Don't recall ever complaining about others not respecting our laws - if I have I'm sure you'll have it in triplicate but I'm not 'special' and am not the type to start an argument in an empty room . Do have a lovely day . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 8, 2024 12:56:12 GMT
You seem pretty enraged about me carving out a successful career for myself. I'll ask again seeing as you ducked it last time, would you rather I wasn't working and paying tax but claiming unemployment benefit instead? 2) I haven't made demands I made a request which my employer granted, they obviously think I'm worth it. Again how is it any of your business? 3) Attitudes like yours go a long way to explaining the autistic unemployment rate. I also suspect that such an act would be a breach of the Equality Act. I'll remember this next time I hear you complaining about others not respecting our laws. You seem intent on making an argument out of my reply (which you don't seem to understand) to a question YOU asked me . Your problem , not mine. As you've apparently found employment which complies with your demands/requests for what you call ''minor'' adjustments as a specially protected worker then good for you if you are paying income tax and not claiming welfare benefits . Such an employee would in my view be best suited in the public sector where initiative is not generally a prerequisite . Don't recall ever complaining about others not respecting our laws - if I have I'm sure you'll have it in triplicate but I'm not 'special' and am not the type to start an argument in an empty room . Do have a lovely day . I think there is a general lack of initiative across the board. I think it is a valuable skill for the employee to have. The whole idea about employing someone in the first place is it saves time, but if the employee needs to refer everything back then the advantages are diminished. It looks better from the customer end as well if the employee can sort an issue out three and then. It makes the operation look more efficient. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 8, 2024 15:13:58 GMT
By the way, YT just reminded me of this Eastern European girl. She is a funny girl. At one time when some of her videos were posted on YT some trolls thought she was a hot chick and so hot that these videos got millions of views and comments for all the wrong reasons. It's about one of the only set of maths videos where you find the comments turned off. Anyhow back to the girl. Well she seems to have some sort of alien intelligence. It really does blow you away how smart she is. One interesting thing I notice now is she is working in Blighty. If the truth be known, above a certain level of skill in maths they are probably all on the autistic spectrum.
Her name is Ana Caraiani, someone who at one time worked with Andrew Wiles.
So if you were a manager interviewing this girl, and causally said, Ah I see you say on your CV you are interested in 'locally symmetric spaces and torsion classes' so can you explain that to me, then I think you would get far more than you bargained for!
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Post by Bentley on Apr 8, 2024 16:43:37 GMT
By the way, YT just reminded me of this Eastern European girl. She is a funny girl. At one time when some of her videos were posted on YT some trolls thought she was a hot chick and so hot that these videos got millions of views and comments for all the wrong reasons. It's about one of the only set of maths videos where you find the comments turned off. Anyhow back to the girl. Well she seems to have some sort of alien intelligence. It really does blow you away how smart she is. One interesting thing I notice now is she is working in Blighty. If the truth be known, above a certain level of skill in maths they are probably all on the autistic spectrum.
Her name is Ana Caraiani, someone who at one time worked with Andrew Wiles.
So if you were a manager interviewing this girl, and causally said, Ah I see you say on your CV you are interested in 'locally symmetric spaces and torsion classes' so can you explain that to me, then I think you would get far more than you bargained for!
You Apr 6 “Well it does sound like an autistic person given what you say. However drawing a general conclusion from a specific case is fraught with trouble.” |
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Post by happyhornet on Apr 8, 2024 16:57:23 GMT
You seem pretty enraged about me carving out a successful career for myself. I'll ask again seeing as you ducked it last time, would you rather I wasn't working and paying tax but claiming unemployment benefit instead? 2) I haven't made demands I made a request which my employer granted, they obviously think I'm worth it. Again how is it any of your business? 3) Attitudes like yours go a long way to explaining the autistic unemployment rate. I also suspect that such an act would be a breach of the Equality Act. I'll remember this next time I hear you complaining about others not respecting our laws. You seem intent on making an argument out of my reply (which you don't seem to understand) to a question YOU asked me . Your problem , not mine. As you've apparently found employment which complies with your demands/requests for what you call ''minor'' adjustments as a specially protected worker then good for you if you are paying income tax and not claiming welfare benefits . Such an employee would in my view be best suited in the public sector where initiative is not generally a prerequisite . Don't recall ever complaining about others not respecting our laws - if I have I'm sure you'll have it in triplicate but I'm not 'special' and am not the type to start an argument in an empty room . Do have a lovely day . You say it's me that wants an argument not you, but it wasn't me that badgered you for details on your employment arrangements then repeatedly attacked you for it now was it? |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 8, 2024 17:58:16 GMT
You seem intent on making an argument out of my reply (which you don't seem to understand) to a question YOU asked me . Your problem , not mine. As you've apparently found employment which complies with your demands/requests for what you call ''minor'' adjustments as a specially protected worker then good for you if you are paying income tax and not claiming welfare benefits . Such an employee would in my view be best suited in the public sector where initiative is not generally a prerequisite . Don't recall ever complaining about others not respecting our laws - if I have I'm sure you'll have it in triplicate but I'm not 'special' and am not the type to start an argument in an empty room . Do have a lovely day . You say it's me that wants an argument not you, but it wasn't me that badgered you for details on your employment arrangements then repeatedly attacked you for it now was it? I've answered the question you asked me at least four times now - you don't understand the answer Not my problem Enjoy your evening |
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Post by happyhornet on Apr 8, 2024 18:03:19 GMT
You say it's me that wants an argument not you, but it wasn't me that badgered you for details on your employment arrangements then repeatedly attacked you for it now was it? I've answered the question you asked me at least four times now - you don't understand the answer Not my problem Enjoy your evening I've repeatedly asked you how my arrangements with my employer is any of your business? You've yet to attempt an answer. Have a good evening yourself. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 8, 2024 22:13:26 GMT
By the way, YT just reminded me of this Eastern European girl. She is a funny girl. At one time when some of her videos were posted on YT some trolls thought she was a hot chick and so hot that these videos got millions of views and comments for all the wrong reasons. It's about one of the only set of maths videos where you find the comments turned off. Anyhow back to the girl. Well she seems to have some sort of alien intelligence. It really does blow you away how smart she is. One interesting thing I notice now is she is working in Blighty. If the truth be known, above a certain level of skill in maths they are probably all on the autistic spectrum.
Her name is Ana Caraiani, someone who at one time worked with Andrew Wiles.
So if you were a manager interviewing this girl, and causally said, Ah I see you say on your CV you are interested in 'locally symmetric spaces and torsion classes' so can you explain that to me, then I think you would get far more than you bargained for!
You Apr 6 “Well it does sound like an autistic person given what you say. However drawing a general conclusion from a specific case is fraught with trouble.” She's just superhuman. Did you notice that was a one hour lecture and she was not using notes? I could watch her for hours. At one point she looked really surprised someone had a question! Anyhow it is nice to see her working in Blighty. It's time this country got its maths and science stuff together. Normally these types end up in America. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 9, 2024 7:01:25 GMT
You Apr 6 “Well it does sound like an autistic person given what you say. However drawing a general conclusion from a specific case is fraught with trouble.” She's just superhuman. Did you notice that was a one hour lecture and she was not using notes? I could watch her for hours. At one point she looked really surprised someone had a question! Anyhow it is nice to see her working in Blighty. It's time this country got its maths and science stuff together. Normally these types end up in America. Good for her …but as you say “However drawing a general conclusion from a specific case is fraught with trouble.” |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 9, 2024 8:39:19 GMT
She's just superhuman. Did you notice that was a one hour lecture and she was not using notes? I could watch her for hours. At one point she looked really surprised someone had a question! Anyhow it is nice to see her working in Blighty. It's time this country got its maths and science stuff together. Normally these types end up in America. Good for her …but as you say “However drawing a general conclusion from a specific case is fraught with trouble.” I never was. It's just nice to see a modern day genius at work. We don't get too many in this country. |
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