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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Apr 10, 2024 18:11:40 GMT
I have twice had to leave factory floor jobs because the "workers" were suspicious of my conversations with the management (who were "taking an interest in me"). It was made plain to me that if I stayed I might "have an accident". The workers were "up to something" and didn't want me "spying on them". The last time it happened as soon as the management left the workers had a "conference" and one came over to me and said: "We don't want you here!". When I didn't immediately leave a fork lift truck carrying a large piece of metal approached me ... with the end of the metal aimed at my head as I worked at a machine ... the driver had "murder in his eyes". I left the job.
When I was interviewed for one job I was told I was "too intelligent" to fit in with the workers they had ... and they didn't have a suitable place for me because I didn't have any formal qualifications or experience.
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 10, 2024 18:15:20 GMT
Archive assistant was the job he was applying for. That's a very run-of-the-mill job compared to the atypical example I gave earlier with that mathematician. I believe the problems he faced were pretty universal in the mainstream job market.
Who are these fuckwits on the other end of the process? They seem like the type who screwed the postmasters. Liars and fakes in other words. They are those those who are less intelligent than the ones they judge.So how did they get the job?
I don’t know but there are no typical autistic people . There us a million reasons not to get hired . Tbh I wouldn’t hire the first bloke for any kind of responsible job. After that I got bored . I wouldn't hire the first bloke for anything responsible - far too needy, no initiative , won't get off his a*se and thinks he's ''special '' and ''entitled'' to everything on a plate . Normal people don't get ''support''(he seems to expect support = free money ) to become adults or live independently . I got bored too |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 10, 2024 18:15:29 GMT
I have twice had to leave factory floor jobs because the "workers" were suspicious of my conversations with the management (who were "taking an interest in me"). It was made plain to me that if I stayed I might "have an accident". The workers were "up to something" and didn't want me "spying on them". The last time it happened as soon as the management left the workers had a "conference" and one came over to me and said: "We don't want you here!". When I didn't immediately leave a fork lift truck carrying a large piece of metal approached me ... with the end of the metal aimed at my head as I worked at a machine ... the driver had "murder in his eyes". I left the job. Are you sure about that ? 😁 |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 10, 2024 18:16:10 GMT
Have you ever thought of getting a job at the post office accounts department? Apparently they need people with your skills. If this wasn’t the mind zone I’d say that you were being bitchy because I reminded you of your pissy pant childhood but as it is , I won’t. You made the mistake, I pointed it out and I get the blame. It is rather like The post office screwed Mr Bates, he did not make the mistake and yet he was blamed. It's the art of switching the blame. It fools some of the people some of the time, but it does not fool me. You have an honesty problem. I only picked you up on your mistake because I thought it was funny.
Yes I know I have made a similar mistake in the past and it is embarrassing, but it never looks so bad if you are not accusing someone else whilst doing it yourself. That was what the post office were experts in.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 10, 2024 18:21:02 GMT
I don’t know but there are no typical autistic people . There us a million reasons not to get hired . Tbh I wouldn’t hire the first bloke for any kind of responsible job. After that I got bored . I wouldn't hire the first bloke for anything responsible - far too needy, no initiative , won't get off his a*se and thinks he's ''special '' and ''entitled'' to everything on a plate . Normal people don't get ''support''(he seems to expect support = free money ) to become adults or live independently . I got bored too Exactly . I’m not against people with special needs finding employment. I’m not against employers facilitating employment for people with special needs but the reality is that if you had a choice between him and someone less obviously needy then you would choose the latter. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 10, 2024 18:23:03 GMT
If this wasn’t the mind zone I’d say that you were being bitchy because I reminded you of your pissy pant childhood but as it is , I won’t. You made the mistake, I pointed it out and I get the blame. It is rather like The post office screwed Mr Bates, he did not make the mistake and yet he was blamed. It's the art of switching the blame. It fools some of the people some of the time, but it does not fool me. You have an honesty problem. I only picked you up on your mistake because I thought it was funny.
Yes I know I have made a similar mistake in the past and it is embarrassing, but it never looks so bad if you are not accusing someone else whilst doing it yourself. That was what the post office were experts in.
I didn’t make a mistake . You constructed one in your head to save face.Now how about getting back to the thread . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 10, 2024 18:48:24 GMT
I don’t know but there are no typical autistic people . There us a million reasons not to get hired . Tbh I wouldn’t hire the first bloke for any kind of responsible job. After that I got bored . I wouldn't hire the first bloke for anything responsible - far too needy, no initiative , won't get off his a*se and thinks he's ''special '' and ''entitled'' to everything on a plate . Normal people don't get ''support''(he seems to expect support = free money ) to become adults or live independently . I got bored too Well it is rather amazing that you need a bloody degree to become an assistant archivist.
Far too needy eh?
That's the first time I have heard that for rejecting an interview/job or whatever. Why give a job to the one that doesn't need it? It seems like anti-efficient resource management to me. Those are the type who think they can sell ice cubes to Eskimos and sand to Arabs.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Apr 10, 2024 19:19:57 GMT
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 10, 2024 20:09:55 GMT
I wouldn't hire the first bloke for anything responsible - far too needy, no initiative , won't get off his a*se and thinks he's ''special '' and ''entitled'' to everything on a plate . Normal people don't get ''support''(he seems to expect support = free money ) to become adults or live independently . I got bored too Well it is rather amazing that you need a bloody degree to become an assistant archivist.
Far too needy eh?
That's the first time I have heard that for rejecting an interview/job or whatever. Why give a job to the one that doesn't need it? It seems like anti-efficient resource management to me. Those are the type who think they can sell ice cubes to Eskimos and sand to Arabs.
From the interview he gave bemoaning his expectations/entitlements of wanting everything handed to him on a pate without lifting a finger himself he'd want his ''caseworker'' present and holding his hand at any proffered job interview. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 10, 2024 20:59:31 GMT
Well it is rather amazing that you need a bloody degree to become an assistant archivist.
Far too needy eh?
That's the first time I have heard that for rejecting an interview/job or whatever. Why give a job to the one that doesn't need it? It seems like anti-efficient resource management to me. Those are the type who think they can sell ice cubes to Eskimos and sand to Arabs.
From the interview he gave bemoaning his expectations/entitlements of wanting everything handed to him on a pate without lifting a finger himself he'd want his ''caseworker'' present and holding his hand at any proffered job interview. Well no actually. He would have first spent some 30 grand and three years hard work studying at a university and worked hard enough to get the A levels. I understood what he was saying perfectly. The thing is he tried these various disability help offers when he had already not had any luck doing it the way everyone else does it, and then when he tried these options he realised they were a scam, as per post office type thinking, where everything is image. Like we are so wonderful towards disabled except we fuck em over at the same time and think we are so bloody clever for doing so. I know that type and have come across them millions of times in my working life. They are very often those who work in state organisations or similar. They are just bullshitters and someone like him has the intelligence to detect their bullshit, hence why the dislike attitude. Besides what are they asking someone who is applying to be an assistant archiver how one promotes IT. That's a sales/PR job, and it is one of those questions where unless they give you more information you could not possibly answer it. Who would you be promoting it to, because unless you know you can't say how you would promote it. It's just a stupid question asked by a stupid dishonest HR shit. |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 11, 2024 9:15:50 GMT
From the interview he gave bemoaning his expectations/entitlements of wanting everything handed to him on a pate without lifting a finger himself he'd want his ''caseworker'' present and holding his hand at any proffered job interview. Well no actually. He would have first spent some 30 grand and three years hard work studying at a university and worked hard enough to get the A levels. I understood what he was saying perfectly. The thing is he tried these various disability help offers when he had already not had any luck doing it the way everyone else does it, and then when he tried these options he realised they were a scam, as per post office type thinking, where everything is image. Like we are so wonderful towards disabled except we fuck em over at the same time and think we are so bloody clever for doing so. I know that type and have come across them millions of times in my working life. They are very often those who work in state organisations or similar. They are just bullshitters and someone like him has the intelligence to detect their bullshit, hence why the dislike attitude. Besides what are they asking someone who is applying to be an assistant archiver how one promotes IT. That's a sales/PR job, and it is one of those questions where unless they give you more information you could not possibly answer it. Who would you be promoting it to, because unless you know you can't say how you would promote it. It's just a stupid question asked by a stupid dishonest HR shit. Getting a degree (or A levels at school)these days isn't exactly arduous . He was playing the disability card and overt neediness whilst expecting everything handed to him on a plate - all red flags for any private sector employer |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 11, 2024 10:15:30 GMT
Well no actually. He would have first spent some 30 grand and three years hard work studying at a university and worked hard enough to get the A levels. I understood what he was saying perfectly. The thing is he tried these various disability help offers when he had already not had any luck doing it the way everyone else does it, and then when he tried these options he realised they were a scam, as per post office type thinking, where everything is image. Like we are so wonderful towards disabled except we fuck em over at the same time and think we are so bloody clever for doing so. I know that type and have come across them millions of times in my working life. They are very often those who work in state organisations or similar. They are just bullshitters and someone like him has the intelligence to detect their bullshit, hence why the dislike attitude. Besides what are they asking someone who is applying to be an assistant archiver how one promotes IT. That's a sales/PR job, and it is one of those questions where unless they give you more information you could not possibly answer it. Who would you be promoting it to, because unless you know you can't say how you would promote it. It's just a stupid question asked by a stupid dishonest HR shit. Getting a degree (or A levels at school)these days isn't exactly arduous . He was playing the disability card and overt neediness whilst expecting everything handed to him on a plate - all red flags for any private sector employer The trouble is you would say anyone using disability services is playing the game. Let me remind you that archiving stuff is not exactly arduous. If you won't employ him then what do you expect him to do. He's not going to just die for your convenience. You don't want him claiming benefits and you don't want him to stick a knife in you and rob you. |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 11, 2024 11:41:29 GMT
Getting a degree (or A levels at school)these days isn't exactly arduous . He was playing the disability card and overt neediness whilst expecting everything handed to him on a plate - all red flags for any private sector employer The trouble is you would say anyone using disability services is playing the game. Let me remind you that archiving stuff is not exactly arduous. If you won't employ him then what do you expect him to do. He's not going to just die for your convenience. You don't want him claiming benefits and you don't want him to stick a knife in you and rob you. He was fully capable of being interviewed for that podcast/utube posted or are you suggesting that his caseworker was figuratively being a nanny holding his hand off camera. He is therefore fully capable of looking up a situations vacant column and applying for a job himself. You've previously posted that you believe that jobs should fit the worker , thus it is entirely probable that roles change and it would be likely that he (if employed) would be required to do a different job - given his expectation of everything being handed to him on a plate , support (ie money benefits as he objects to having to spend his own money) and inflexibility the employer is left between a rock and a hard place with an over needy employee who thinks the workplace should fit him rather than doing the job required to be done. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 11, 2024 13:25:35 GMT
The trouble is you would say anyone using disability services is playing the game. Let me remind you that archiving stuff is not exactly arduous. If you won't employ him then what do you expect him to do. He's not going to just die for your convenience. You don't want him claiming benefits and you don't want him to stick a knife in you and rob you. He was fully capable of being interviewed for that podcast/utube posted or are you suggesting that his caseworker was figuratively being a nanny holding his hand off camera. He is therefore fully capable of looking up a situations vacant column and applying for a job himself. You've previously posted that you believe that jobs should fit the worker , thus it is entirely probable that roles change and it would be likely that he (if employed) would be required to do a different job - given his expectation of everything being handed to him on a plate , support (ie money benefits as he objects to having to spend his own money) and inflexibility the employer is left between a rock and a hard place with an over needy employee who thinks the workplace should fit him rather than doing the job required to be done. He was fully capable of being interviewed for that podcast/utube posted
agreed
or are you suggesting that his caseworker was figuratively being a nanny holding his hand off camera. This is reductio ad absurdum Which is one of the classic fallacies.
He is therefore fully capable of looking up a situations vacant column and applying for a job himself. Agreed You've previously posted that you believe that jobs should fit the worker
Agreed
, thus it is entirely probable that roles change and it would be likely that he (if employed) would be required to do a different job - given his expectation of everything being handed to him on a plate , support (ie money benefits as he objects to having to spend his own money)
And that is why he applied for a job as an archivist because such a job is highly suited for his enhanced systematic thinking, indeed it seems like the ideal job. Therefore your imaginations and biases expressed here are completely unfounded.
You misinterpret his argument about spending his own money as well. The benefits system discourages getting a job. Lets take some simple figures just for illustration purposes and it will demonstrate the problem. Say someone is on the dole and gets £100 pw to live on, and say the same person when working gets £200pw to live on. Obviously the incentive is to work so you double your income. Now suppose there are two people on the dole. One does not work for a year so gets 100pw. The second person gets a job and for the time they are working they get £200pw but the job only lasts a few months and then for the rest of the year they are unemployed. For the time they are unemployed in the rest of the year they will get less than the person who never worked, so that is like saying that instead of doubling your money by working, taken over the whole year it is equivalent to £100pw for when unemployed, but crucially less than double when they were working, and indeed depending on times and amounts this could mean in practice they were only getting marginally over the dole for the working period, unless they choose to waste the money instead of saving it.
I guess your brain didn't get all of that, but it just goes to show he is a pretty smart chap with the maths.
and inflexibility the employer is left between a rock and a hard place with an over needy employee who thinks the workplace should fit him rather than doing the job required to be done.
Again you are applying bias and distortion to what I was saying before. He is not that selfish. He just wants a job and so he did his best to find one he could hit the ground running with and make the employer very happy they have a good efficient and accurate archive assistant. I employed someone a bit like him once and he was the best worker I ever had. Eventually he was poached off me for a large salary he could not refuse. He was so sad to leave though. Mind you I don't operate a clown world like the organisation he applied to.
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 11, 2024 13:46:35 GMT
He was fully capable of being interviewed for that podcast/utube posted or are you suggesting that his caseworker was figuratively being a nanny holding his hand off camera. He is therefore fully capable of looking up a situations vacant column and applying for a job himself. You've previously posted that you believe that jobs should fit the worker , thus it is entirely probable that roles change and it would be likely that he (if employed) would be required to do a different job - given his expectation of everything being handed to him on a plate , support (ie money benefits as he objects to having to spend his own money) and inflexibility the employer is left between a rock and a hard place with an over needy employee who thinks the workplace should fit him rather than doing the job required to be done. He was fully capable of being interviewed for that podcast/utube posted
agreed
or are you suggesting that his caseworker was figuratively being a nanny holding his hand off camera. This is reductio ad absurdum Which is one of the classic fallacies.
He is therefore fully capable of looking up a situations vacant column and applying for a job himself. Agreed You've previously posted that you believe that jobs should fit the worker
Agreed
, thus it is entirely probable that roles change and it would be likely that he (if employed) would be required to do a different job - given his expectation of everything being handed to him on a plate , support (ie money benefits as he objects to having to spend his own money)
And that is why he applied for a job as an archivist because such a job is highly suited for his enhanced systematic thinking, indeed it seems like the ideal job. Therefore your imaginations and biases expressed here are completely unfounded.
You misinterpret his argument about spending his own money as well. The benefits system discourages getting a job. Lets take some simple figures just for illustration purposes and it will demonstrate the problem. Say someone is on the dole and gets £100 pw to live on, and say the same person when working gets £200pw to live on. Obviously the incentive is to work so you double your income. Now suppose there are two people on the dole. One does not work for a year so gets 100pw. The second person gets a job and for the time they are working they get £200pw but the job only lasts a few months and then for the rest of the year they are unemployed. For the time they are unemployed in the rest of the year they will get less than the person who never worked, so that is like saying that instead of doubling your money by working, taken over the whole year it is equivalent to £100pw for when unemployed, but crucially less than double when they were working, and indeed depending on times and amounts this could mean in practice they were only getting marginally over the dole for the working period, unless they choose to waste the money instead of saving it.
I guess your brain didn't get all of that, but it just goes to show he is a pretty smart chap with the maths.
and inflexibility the employer is left between a rock and a hard place with an over needy employee who thinks the workplace should fit him rather than doing the job required to be done.
Again you are applying bias and distortion to what I was saying before. He is not that selfish. He just wants a job and so he did his best to find one he could hit the ground running with and make the employer very happy they have a good efficient and accurate archive assistant. I employed someone a bit like him once and he was the best worker I ever had. Eventually he was poached off me for a large salary he could not refuse. He was so sad to leave though. Mind you I don't operate a clown world like the organisation he applied to.
You have an very over active imagination imo He isn't ''disabled'' , he is mobile , not blind or deaf and can hold an interview. The propensity to circling niche bandwagon in the past few decades afford his personality type a label of ''disabled''. He did little to find a job himself (expecting ''support'' aka free money) , now has a caseworker (handholder) on call for a job hunt , expecting everything to be handed to him on a plate and bemoaned not being able to get ''support'' (aka free money) and needing to spend his own money. Based on this podcast I wouldn't employ someone with his poor attitude and self appointed sense of entitledness. He applied for a job as an archivist , job descriptions are flexible - he doesn't present as someone with an ounce of flexibility , just imagine the strop he'd thow if he was told it's his turn to make the tea ! I believe we had better agree to disagree. |
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