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Post by Vinny on Apr 3, 2024 7:09:45 GMT
We can pay British farmers to grow cannabis, poppies, coca plants, supply addicts via the NHS and kill the imports completely. just on that thought....and a tad off topic....IMHO one of the biggest screw ups of all time during our last little foray into Afghanistan was the moronic attempts to stop the Afghans growing poppy...the US alone spent about what $10Bn on all sorts of bonkers schemes including B-52 bombing raids ffs...and guess what they achieved...yup as usual....fuck all...nada....nowt. We, the brits, were equally as clever but again got fucked 7 ways from Sunday and just swiftly kicked out of Afghanistan because of similar bullshit ideas, infantile strategy and hubris. Afghanistan is just about....probably....almost ready to enter the middle age....so can you imagine how just how on side these peasants would have been if instead of cutting off their one source of living we'd actually encouraged them, helped them and bought their crops at fair trade prices....we could have sold the stuff...burned it...whatever...but instead of walking jackbooted and guns blazing and malletting their bloody livelihoods we could have used it to bring them on side, used them as allies instead of alienating them and making more enemies than we could cope with...anyway.... Growing our own would do phenomenal harm to the Afghan opium trade. And everyone involved in smuggling it. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 3, 2024 7:11:07 GMT
It would make no difference whatsoever. Tobacco is a good example: Perfectly legal but less and less people are using it as the health issues are well known. The Tobacco Cigar and Cigarette smugglers will still make a tidy profit IMHO Who would smuggle if there was no market, due to addicts getting it free on the NHS? |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 3, 2024 7:26:39 GMT
The Tobacco Cigar and Cigarette smugglers will still make a tidy profit IMHO Who would smuggle if there was no market, due to addicts getting it free on the NHS? Its been happening for a long time because the price of fags and tobacco keeps going up, there is money to be made some counterfeit fags are made here in the UK , the same as drugs |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 3, 2024 8:05:36 GMT
Providing drugs for free on the NHS would cost less than sending shoplifting junkies to prison. Who would smuggle if it meant competition with free drugs from the state?
And as a bonus, fewer and fewer people would become addicts.
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Post by piglet on Apr 3, 2024 9:57:02 GMT
In the 1910s they did not know what harm substances do. Lets list it, tobacco cancer, weed psychosis, any drug do lallyness, read the side effects on medical drugs, food has serious side effects if you eat to much of anything never mind binge on it.
Like sugar, everything is shot through with it, sugar is poison. The list is without end. The advantage you have scotsman is that you are educated, many are not, and are incapable of beiung educated. Then theres addiction.
Ive used to smoke cigars, stopped about seven years ago, only started in my late 20s, that saved me. It was a hell of a job to come off it, but managed it, not everyone can do that, they will take their drug of choice till they die of it. Tom Utley the mail columnist is a case in point, he is 70 odd, knows that smoking is bad, but doesnt care.
The war on drugs should be education, but even that is undermined by chemists, scientists saying weed is harmless, what a load of baloney. The vulnerable should be protected. Oh, and pro the answer is yes, it will be somewhere, yes, they really were that stupid.
Its amazing , in modern times, how common sense becomes a casualty, WE ARE ALL DOOMED.
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 3, 2024 10:33:19 GMT
Providing drugs for free on the NHS would cost less than sending shoplifting junkies to prison. Would it? Only perhaps on primary costs. The secondary costs of having so many people legally under the influence would likely sky-rocket. With a significant percentage of the workforce turning up legally under the influence productivity will plummet for one. All The Best |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2024 10:38:19 GMT
Isaiah 5:11 says
Woe to them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink, that continue into the night, till wine inflame them!
That was written about 2,800 years ago and could apply to any drugs. Not much changes.
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Post by Vinny on Apr 3, 2024 10:38:21 GMT
Usage would fall, not rise, there would be health warnings, prospective addicts would have to go through conversations with adults who do not want to provide it.
Current addicts would be offered counselling and therapy and addiction support instead of drugs at every step of the way. So whilst it would be available, there would be no incentive whatsoever.
Shoplifting and petty crime would fall.
Gang related violence would fall as there would be no drug market to fight / kill over.
Not only would prison costs fall, policing costs would fall as well.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 3, 2024 10:39:14 GMT
Hiding your non point behind glib remarks won’t help you . |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 3, 2024 10:48:24 GMT
Isaiah 5:11 says Woe to them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink, that continue into the night, till wine inflame them! That was written about 2,800 years ago and could apply to any drugs. Not much changes. Havamal — 12: There is not as much good as men claim there is in alcohol for one’s well-being. A man knows less as he drinks more, and loses more and more of his wisdom. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 3, 2024 10:50:21 GMT
Usage would fall, not rise, So you are claiming that making something free, legal, and easy to access that was once costly, illegal and hard to access will see usage fall? I contend that common sense says the exact opposite will happen. All The Best |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 3, 2024 10:54:59 GMT
It won't be cool to try it.
It won't be accessible to children.
There will be health warnings.
To get it will mean going through people who don't want to promote it and do want to offer alternatives (counselling & therapy).
Every other week we hear of gangland stabbings in London and other cities (it's drug related).
People being shot (again drug related).
What's the cost in policing of having to deal with all of this?
Prohibition doesn't work.
Prohibition just means gangs and murders.
We won't stamp out addiction by continuing as we are, and nothing will stop addiction happening, lets try a different approach that doesn't automatically criminalise the victims of addiction.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2024 10:57:15 GMT
Islamists have this insecure control freak way about them, and a general disregard for the natural flow and evolution of humans.
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 3, 2024 11:16:30 GMT
It won't be cool to try it. It won't be accessible to children. There will be health warnings. To get it will mean going through people who don't want to promote it and do want to offer alternatives (counselling & therapy). Every other week we hear of gangland stabbings in London and other cities (it's drug related). People being shot (again drug related). What's the cost in policing of having to deal with all of this? Prohibition doesn't work. Prohibition just means gangs and murders. We won't stamp out addiction by continuing as we are, and nothing will stop addiction happening, lets try a different approach that doesn't automatically criminalise the victims of addiction. Cool: Yes, some people will be put off by the lack of coolness etc, but then more will be attracted it is now legal. Children: how do you enforce that? Alcohol and Cigarettes are not legally accessible to children, but it happens every single day anyway. Health Warnings: there are health warnings on fags, booze etc - people still over use them every day. Access: So not having to be told about therapy and counselling the problem is likely to increase, not decrease. I don't think the logical conclusion of your points are what you think they are. So what cost to business, and co-workers, increases in accident etc caused by having people legally out of their heads? Have you factored that in? We are not criminalising victims of addiction: we are criminalising people who break the law - and we SHOULD be doing that. As to Drug Related Violence: maybe if we handed out tougher sentences, adopted a 3 strike and your out policy, and implemented asset seizures with resources going to drug education and rehabilitation programs we'd solve things to - and without increasing the availability of DANGEROUS drugs on our streets. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 3, 2024 11:18:01 GMT
Islamists have this insecure control freak way about them, and a general disregard for the natural flow and evolution of humans. Are there any Islamists in this discussion? All The Best |
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