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Post by Vinny on Apr 2, 2024 15:07:49 GMT
Trying to stop drug use with legislation is like trying to stop a water leak with a sieve.
There are too many holes.
All we've done is create a black market and a lucrative industry for criminals.
If we legalise, we take away the means for criminals to sell drugs cut with god knows what.
We can create a situation where junkies won't need to steal to get their fix and can get the drug as part of a rehab programme which steers them away from addiction.
We can pay British farmers to grow cannabis, poppies, coca plants, supply addicts via the NHS and kill the imports completely.
It costs over £46k a year per prisoner to lock up offenders.
A lot of theft is committed to pay for drugs.
Decriminalisation would cost less than it does to currently lock the bastards up.
And what kind of moron would go to their doctors or their pharmacist and say "er hi, I'd like to become a smackhead please".
The number of people on drugs would fall as it would lose all appeal.
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Post by thescotsman on Apr 2, 2024 15:38:14 GMT
We can pay British farmers to grow cannabis, poppies, coca plants, supply addicts via the NHS and kill the imports completely. just on that thought....and a tad off topic....IMHO one of the biggest screw ups of all time during our last little foray into Afghanistan was the moronic attempts to stop the Afghans growing poppy...the US alone spent about what $10Bn on all sorts of bonkers schemes including B-52 bombing raids ffs...and guess what they achieved...yup as usual....fuck all...nada....nowt. We, the brits, were equally as clever but again got fucked 7 ways from Sunday and just swiftly kicked out of Afghanistan because of similar bullshit ideas, infantile strategy and hubris. Afghanistan is just about....probably....almost ready to enter the middle age....so can you imagine how just how on side these peasants would have been if instead of cutting off their one source of living we'd actually encouraged them, helped them and bought their crops at fair trade prices....we could have sold the stuff...burned it...whatever...but instead of walking jackbooted and guns blazing and malletting their bloody livelihoods we could have used it to bring them on side, used them as allies instead of alienating them and making more enemies than we could cope with...anyway.... |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 2, 2024 15:53:31 GMT
I find it weird...drugs in one form or another have been round since god was an embryo...it's only since what...the 1910s..1920s..that people decided they were wrong...or nasty or ungodly or whatever it was they didn't like about them. Based on the fact that the world is pretty shit at enforcing most of it's own rules why not just legalise the bloody stuff and tax it like fags and booze...make money out of it instead of wasting massive resources on not achieving very much? Seriously, instead of wasting gobs of cash chasing people round in circles just bloody legalise it all and let people get on with it...if they die then tough shit they die..bury the fuckers but don't expect drugs to go away coz they won't. Even if they did Legalize all Class A Drugs many of those that use and addicted to it would still have to turn to Crime to fund their addiction, Cannabis is not as harmless as some think, it can pose a serious risk to some users Psychotic Episodes lots of Cannabis Users in Prison for attacking other people even killing them, and many in Psychiatric Hospitals. As for the States In 2023, the United States faced a devastating crisis due to drug overdoses. The impact was profound, with fatal overdoses reaching an unprecedented peak of over 112,000 deaths. This tragic toll surpassed every previous drug epidemic, including those from the 1980s and the prescription opioid crisis of the 2000s. Among the hardest-hit were young people and people of color12. The synthetic opioid fentanyl played a significant role in these fatalities. It is far more potent than heroin and is responsible for the majority of drug-related deaths. However, the drug supply has become increasingly complex and perilous. Alongside fentanyl, other dangerous substances like methamphetamines, xylazine, and nitazenes have contributed to the crisis. Mexican drug cartels often press these chemicals into pills, counterfeiting them to resemble pharmaceutical-grade medications1. Public health experts emphasize the importance of understanding the risks associated with drug use. Drug overdoses have become a leading cause of death among young Americans aged 18-45 and have also spiked as a killer of pregnant women. The issue has become a major point of contention for politicians, with some criticizing the Biden administration’s efforts to combat fentanyl smuggling Despite law enforcement seizing “more than 360 million deadly doses” of fentanyl in 2023, the drug remains cheap and widely available1. The crisis continues to demand urgent attention and comprehensive solutions to prevent further loss of life. |
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 2, 2024 16:25:06 GMT
We've never even really tried fighting the war on drugs. All The Best And that's the other side of the problem. We are currently in a no-man's land where it's illegal but not really enforced - the worst of all possible worlds.
You want to go to the USA. Different states have different laws on what drugs are legal or not . You may think you are OK to walk around like a zombie and within state law only to be told your nicked sunshine as its against federal law . |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 2, 2024 16:44:24 GMT
If you want to see what allowing legal access to cheap drugs does to society then look at alcohol and tobacco.
Tabacco is being fazed out but until it has millions have died and suffered because of it .
Imo we can’t ban alcohol but we can use it as a red flag to indicate what could happen if other illegal drugs are made legal.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 2, 2024 18:16:57 GMT
If you want to see what allowing legal access to cheap drugs does to society then look at alcohol and tobacco. Tabacco is being fazed out but until it has millions have died and suffered because of it . Imo we can’t ban alcohol but we can use it as a red flag to indicate what could happen if other illegal drugs are made legal. It would make no difference whatsoever. Tobacco is a good example: Perfectly legal but less and less people are using it as the health issues are well known. |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 2, 2024 18:21:06 GMT
If you want to see what allowing legal access to cheap drugs does to society then look at alcohol and tobacco. Tabacco is being fazed out but until it has millions have died and suffered because of it . Imo we can’t ban alcohol but we can use it as a red flag to indicate what could happen if other illegal drugs are made legal. It would make no difference whatsoever. Tobacco is a good example: Perfectly legal but less and less people are using it as the health issues are well known. The Tobacco Cigar and Cigarette smugglers will still make a tidy profit IMHO |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 2, 2024 18:40:07 GMT
It would make no difference whatsoever. Tobacco is a good example: Perfectly legal but less and less people are using it as the health issues are well known. The Tobacco Cigar and Cigarette smugglers will still make a tidy profit IMHO Yes but that's because the government have got greedy with tax. Set it at a more sensible level and take the profit away from the smugglers. |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 2, 2024 18:54:33 GMT
The Tobacco Cigar and Cigarette smugglers will still make a tidy profit IMHO Yes but that's because the government have got greedy with tax. Set it at a more sensible level and take the profit away from the smugglers. From what I have been told most of the fags tobacco smuggled in is Counterfeit |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 2, 2024 19:03:37 GMT
Yes but that's because the government have got greedy with tax. Set it at a more sensible level and take the profit away from the smugglers. From what I have been told most of the fags tobacco smuggled in is Counterfeit Probably. There isn't the market there was 20 years ago. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 2, 2024 19:33:50 GMT
If you want to see what allowing legal access to cheap drugs does to society then look at alcohol and tobacco. Tabacco is being fazed out but until it has millions have died and suffered because of it . Imo we can’t ban alcohol but we can use it as a red flag to indicate what could happen if other illegal drugs are made legal. It would make no difference whatsoever. Tobacco is a good example: Perfectly legal but less and less people are using it as the health issues are well known. Nonsense . It was well known that tabacco was harmful 40 years ago but people still smoked . Its been known alcohol is bad for you for over a hundred years or more but there are still plenty of alcoholics around . Habits are not rational. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 2, 2024 21:18:27 GMT
It would make no difference whatsoever. Tobacco is a good example: Perfectly legal but less and less people are using it as the health issues are well known. Nonsense . It was well known that tabacco was harmful 40 years ago but people still smoked . Its been known alcohol is bad for you for over a hundred years or more but there are still plenty of alcoholics around . Habits are not rational. Then you've rather proved my point.🙂 |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 2, 2024 21:46:59 GMT
Nonsense . It was well known that tabacco was harmful 40 years ago but people still smoked . Its been known alcohol is bad for you for over a hundred years or more but there are still plenty of alcoholics around . Habits are not rational. Then you've rather proved my point.🙂 If you ‘ point ‘ is that alcohol is harmful so the best thing to do is make more harmful products available then I don’t and I didn’t . Otherwise you don’t have a point for me to prove. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 2, 2024 22:06:19 GMT
Whoosh!😉
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 2, 2024 22:08:16 GMT
I find it weird...drugs in one form or another have been round since god was an embryo...it's only since what...the 1910s..1920s..that people decided they were wrong...or nasty or ungodly or whatever it was they didn't like about them. Based on the fact that the world is pretty shit at enforcing most of it's own rules why not just legalise the bloody stuff and tax it like fags and booze...make money out of it instead of wasting massive resources on not achieving very much? Seriously, instead of wasting gobs of cash chasing people round in circles just bloody legalise it all and let people get on with it...if they die then tough shit they die..bury the fuckers but don't expect drugs to go away coz they won't. Is the right answer. |
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