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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 1, 2024 21:24:31 GMT
Your previous "Contributions" suggest otherwise, NullaVeritas.
But do at least try Google now and again.
All The Best.🙂
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 1, 2024 21:26:15 GMT
Well, there's an excuse for never having to substantiate any of your, sometimes ludicrous, claims. Tell me, does anyone here take you seriously? All The Best There you go, try this: images.app.goo.gl/WL6Y4F9b6riJQNzG6You know, if you continue to deny established fact at your current rate we shall have to rename you NullaVeritas. All The Best.🙂 Well, drugs have been decriminalised, so it it pretty obvious that arrests and incarceration go down. Of course the same would be true if we decriminalised, for example, murder or rape. More people accessing drug treatment is a no brainer too; now there's no legal ramifications for admitting "drug use" more people will be happy to do so. What metrics are they using for the claim "reduced problematic and adolescent drug use"? Reduced number of overdose deaths is a great outcome, and one I must confess I was not necessarily expecting. Though with a bit of thought it makes some sense, as with legal routes to access those drugs there's less need for people to get them from illicit sources that often contaminate them with a cutting agent. Reduced incidence of HIV/AIDS - likely due to access to clean needles etc, another good outcome. No major increase in drug use: again, what metrics are being used for this claim? As drug use is decriminalised there is no need for the police or other emergency services to record incidents of drug use, so this apparent lack of increase could just be a lack of recording hiding an actual increase. Nevertheless, thanks for the information, I will look deeper and, if necessary, re-evaluate my position on this. All The Best |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2024 21:29:54 GMT
Your previous "Contributions" suggest otherwise, NullaVeritas. But do at least try Google now and again. All The Best.🙂 Perhaps there's a hadith that opposes it?
All The Best!!!
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 1, 2024 21:33:37 GMT
Your previous "Contributions" suggest otherwise, NullaVeritas. But do at least try Google now and again. All The Best.🙂 Perhaps there's a hadith that opposes it?
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 2, 2024 7:06:55 GMT
But the crims will just move on to other criminality ,what do you think they are going to do get a job in Morrisons ? By keeping it illegal at least in the main it keeps the dug addicts away from public spaces and the criminals in their drug world bubbles . Then you're in favour of the status quo. How's that working out for you? Not at all Im in favour of hunting down drug gangs and locking them up for a long time . Drug users feed these criminals , I would like to see drug users prosecuted as well . I don't want people that are away with the fairies anywhere near me to be honest . For me legalising or decriminalising drugs just says they have lost the war on drugs ,I would rather they won it . |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 2, 2024 7:45:33 GMT
Then you're in favour of the status quo. How's that working out for you? Not at all Im in favour of hunting down drug gangs and locking them up for a long time . Drug users feed these criminals , I would like to see drug users prosecuted as well . I don't want people that are away with the fairies anywhere near me to be honest . For me legalising or decriminalising drugs just says they have lost the war on drugs ,I would rather they won it . We've never even really tried fighting the war on drugs. All The Best |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2024 8:00:59 GMT
Then you're in favour of the status quo. How's that working out for you? Not at all Im in favour of hunting down drug gangs and locking them up for a long time . Drug users feed these criminals , I would like to see drug users prosecuted as well . I don't want people that are away with the fairies anywhere near me to be honest . For me legalising or decriminalising drugs just says they have lost the war on drugs ,I would rather they won it . But all of those lefties stoned and inactive is a win-win. The police can then focus on more serious things, like offensive tweets. |
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 2, 2024 8:07:01 GMT
Not at all Im in favour of hunting down drug gangs and locking them up for a long time . Drug users feed these criminals , I would like to see drug users prosecuted as well . I don't want people that are away with the fairies anywhere near me to be honest . For me legalising or decriminalising drugs just says they have lost the war on drugs ,I would rather they won it . But all of those lefties stoned and inactive is a win-win. The police can then focus on more serious things, like offensive tweets. That's the best argument for legalisation I've heard yet  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2024 8:10:00 GMT
And again, they already do.
As I said: Legalise the lot.
You cant seriously want 'the lot' legalised? Class A?.. All that's happening under current legislation is a criminal market which creates other levels of crime. Laws by themselves are just pieces of paper. However, while I can understand your apprehension over the hard stuff, the decriminalisation of weed would free up resources that could then be used to tackle the meth labs. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 2, 2024 8:27:33 GMT
OK, so after looking deeper into the case of Portugal, as referenced by The Squeezed Middle, I have slightly changed my mind on this.
It is clear that Primary Harms (harm caused to drug users by using drugs) are reduced when Drugs are decriminalised, and this should be seen as a positive thing.
My concern remains what might be termed Secondary Harms (harm caused to others by those under the influence of drugs).
I am yet to see any evidence that these are reduced in any way.
Until they too are shown to be reduced I think I can't yet jump the fence to be in favour of decriminalisation, but I am perhaps closer then I have ever been.
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Post by piglet on Apr 2, 2024 9:41:14 GMT
Maybe someone can explain why tobacco is now almost criminalised? Its use is seen as injurious to health, cancer etc, isnt cannabis the same but far worse? How can you unleash such on society and not care about the effect?
On a macro scale, isnt the constant erosion of boundaries, the liberalisation of everthing, as bad as far right conservatism? , that should we strengthen not weaken boundaries.?
In America some states did away with the police, or almost, and crime went out of control, following the black lives matter way of doing things. Can you imagine a stoned five year old child, addicted, brain damaged, and has a lifetime to look forward to....on a psychiatric ward, bumbling, incoherent, vegetable like.
It seems to me that we need to stare into the face of an abyss to get the strength to pull away from it.
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 2, 2024 10:26:52 GMT
Maybe someone can explain why tobacco is now almost criminalised? Its use is seen as injurious to health, cancer etc, isnt cannabis the same but far worse? How can you unleash such on society and not care about the effect? On a macro scale, isnt the constant erosion of boundaries, the liberalisation of everthing, as bad as far right conservatism? , that should we strengthen not weaken boundaries.? In America some states did away with the police, or almost, and crime went out of control, following the black lives matter way of doing things. Can you imagine a stoned five year old child, addicted, brain damaged, and has a lifetime to look forward to....on a psychiatric ward, bumbling, incoherent, vegetable like. It seems to me that we need to stare into the face of an abyss to get the strength to pull away from it. Did they? Really? Any evidence to support such a fanciful claim? All The Best |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 2, 2024 13:35:01 GMT
But all of those lefties stoned and inactive is a win-win. The police can then focus on more serious things, like offensive tweets. That's the best argument for legalisation I've heard yet  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 2, 2024 13:57:50 GMT
Not at all Im in favour of hunting down drug gangs and locking them up for a long time . Drug users feed these criminals , I would like to see drug users prosecuted as well . I don't want people that are away with the fairies anywhere near me to be honest . For me legalising or decriminalising drugs just says they have lost the war on drugs ,I would rather they won it . We've never even really tried fighting the war on drugs. All The Best And that's the other side of the problem.
We are currently in a no-man's land where it's illegal but not really enforced - the worst of all possible worlds.
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Post by thescotsman on Apr 2, 2024 14:22:37 GMT
I find it weird...drugs in one form or another have been round since god was an embryo...it's only since what...the 1910s..1920s..that people decided they were wrong...or nasty or ungodly or whatever it was they didn't like about them. Based on the fact that the world is pretty shit at enforcing most of it's own rules why not just legalise the bloody stuff and tax it like fags and booze...make money out of it instead of wasting massive resources on not achieving very much? Seriously, instead of wasting gobs of cash chasing people round in circles just bloody legalise it all and let people get on with it...if they die then tough shit they die..bury the fuckers but don't expect drugs to go away coz they won't.
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