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Post by patman post on Mar 31, 2024 14:15:29 GMT
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Post by wapentake on Mar 31, 2024 14:35:34 GMT
Yes we’ll be swapping one set of fools for another,the nasal nutter is no different from Rishi the div. |
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Post by piglet on Apr 1, 2024 11:11:36 GMT
There is no choice, the public cant win. There is reform, but even an 18 per cent vote results in no mps. Britain will vote Labour, but then realise that what they dissaprove of in the Toriers they get in spades from Labour.
It will be the election after the next administration when Reform hit the jack pot. The next Labour government wont last long, pro EU, immigration, economic stupidity, wokery, NHS disaster, they cant last long, Starmer has no answer apart from doing more of whats wrong.
Then again, the country has no grasp of whats really wrong.
My guess is that the liberal fd up west is finidshed, from inside and out, per the east.
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Post by bancroft on Apr 1, 2024 11:32:26 GMT
The polls will start moving once an election date is agreed and then the debates and newspaper claims about projected winners and losers and it will likely sway back and forwards.
However like with shy Brexit voters I do not trust general polls.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 1, 2024 12:01:04 GMT
As I've mentioned in other threads, I don't think we will see a landslide result. Yes Labour are likely to win, but any thought of a 1997 style landslide is for the birds, in my opinion. It may be different if Starmer was popular, but he isn't. Labour will win the election because of Sunak and Reform UK, not because of Starmer. Yes people will vote Labour, while holding their nose. |
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Post by patman post on Apr 1, 2024 12:26:21 GMT
As I've mentioned in other threads, I don't think we will see a landslide result. Yes Labour are likely to win, but any thought of a 1997 style landslide is for the birds, in my opinion. It may be different if Starmer was popular, but he isn't. Labour will win the election because of Sunak and Reform UK, not because of Starmer. Yes people will vote Labour, while holding their nose. I hope you’re right. But I’m not so sure. While Starmer is not gaining in popularity, Sunak’s rating is dropping even further, with many of his non-standing-down MPs openly questioning his leadership — even the No.10 contrived anti Labour smears and rumour-mongering are failing to drown out their dissatisfaction. Alarmingly, opinion polls are showing an increasing massive lead for Labour, and there’s not too much time left for the Tories to retrieve the situation… |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 2, 2024 7:34:38 GMT
As I've mentioned in other threads, I don't think we will see a landslide result. Yes Labour are likely to win, but any thought of a 1997 style landslide is for the birds, in my opinion. It may be different if Starmer was popular, but he isn't. Labour will win the election because of Sunak and Reform UK, not because of Starmer. Yes people will vote Labour, while holding their nose. If you think that the problem is just Sunak, how do you explain that they are still at the same level they were under Liz Truss? The Tories issues predate Sunak a long way. Things have been nosediving since 2021... |
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Post by Orac on Apr 4, 2024 13:34:03 GMT
As I've mentioned in other threads, I don't think we will see a landslide result. Yes Labour are likely to win, but any thought of a 1997 style landslide is for the birds, in my opinion. It may be different if Starmer was popular, but he isn't. Labour will win the election because of Sunak and Reform UK, not because of Starmer. Yes people will vote Labour, while holding their nose. If you think that the problem is just Sunak, how do you explain that they are still at the same level they were under Liz Truss? The Tories issues predate Sunak a long way. Things have been nosediving since 2021... How do I explain low polling figures after a civil service orchestrated soft coup removed the elected leader? Humnm..what a conundrum How do you explain Boris Johnson collapsing the 'red wall' with a few slogans about being proud of Britain for a change? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 4, 2024 13:53:25 GMT
If you think that the problem is just Sunak, how do you explain that they are still at the same level they were under Liz Truss? The Tories issues predate Sunak a long way. Things have been nosediving since 2021... How do I explain low polling figures after a civil service orchestrated soft coup removed the elected leader? Humnm..what a conundrum How do you explain Boris Johnson collapsing the 'red wall' with a few slogans about being proud of Britain for a change? Boris was dumped because he'd become toxic in the polls, not the other way around. 2019 was certainly interesting. Yes, get Brexit done was a big factor after years of paralysis, as was the unpopularity of Corbyn. I don't think that Boris's popularity, for what it was worth, lasted too long. (And your last sentence is the sort of rubbish that distorted the referendum campaign, it's total rubbish as it insinuates that someone can't be proud of their country if they are pro European. That's the sort of guff I'd expect from the remedial class on this forum rather than from yourself.) |
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Post by Orac on Apr 4, 2024 14:13:15 GMT
How do I explain low polling figures after a civil service orchestrated soft coup removed the elected leader? Humnm..what a conundrum How do you explain Boris Johnson collapsing the 'red wall' with a few slogans about being proud of Britain for a change? Boris was dumped because he'd become toxic in the polls, not the other way around. 2019 was certainly interesting. Yes, get Brexit done was a big factor after years of paralysis, as was the unpopularity of Corbyn. I don't think that Boris's popularity, for what it was worth, lasted too long. (And your last sentence is the sort of rubbish that distorted the referendum campaign, it's total rubbish as it insinuates that someone can't be proud of their country if they are pro European. That's the sort of guff I'd expect from the remedial class on this forum rather than from yourself.) Rather predictably, you see Labour's problems as skirtable and the Tory's as deeper. The red wall collapsing because a fat man wore a Union Jack once is understandably not something you want to dwell on. This not a message you want to receive and you are dutifully block your ears (or painting your brain) . That sort of disenchantment doesn't bode well for your position though. Interestingly, Liz Truss was picked out by you for being a bringer of bad polling, despite only being in power for a few days  Common sense would tell that any position can be somewhat recovered from with a suitable leader prepared to change direction suitably, but your target isn't Sunak. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 4, 2024 15:04:22 GMT
Yes, Truss managed to basement Boris's polling, even in a few days, that's true, but doesn't negate my point about his previous polling, which put pressure on which eventually led to his resignation.
You're right, Sunak for me is just a disappointment. He had the opportunity to put some confidence back into the government, but he's been weak. I think he listens to bad advice and ends up appealing to noone.
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Post by wapentake on Apr 4, 2024 15:58:33 GMT
If the tories are wiped out this is what we’ll get,what a prospect.  |
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Post by Orac on Apr 4, 2024 17:05:59 GMT
Yes, Truss managed to basement Boris's polling, even in a few days, that's true, but doesn't negate my point about his previous polling, which put pressure on which eventually led to his resignation. You are just fantasising. She was barely in office long enough to do anything, or any poll taken that reflected anything. The second second soft-coup removal in a matter of few weeks is not a good look - a government in dissarray crisis and unable to defend itself from bureaucratic predation. Sunak was not wanted, in fact Conservatives didn't want him so much, that they opted to Truss instead - simply (and only) because she was there. Your fantasy though is due to a motive. Your motive is transparent. You would rather the Conservatives didn't form a palpable opposition. My opinions regarding the inner gyrations of labour are very weakly held because i feel others would see my strongly held opinions about my enemy and what they should do as pretty laughable. You don't seem to have the same boundary. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2024 17:28:22 GMT
If the tories are wiped out this is what we’ll get,what a prospect. Imagine having David Lammy as our foreign secretary playing on the world stage. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 13, 2024 3:29:10 GMT
As I've mentioned in other threads, I don't think we will see a landslide result. Yes Labour are likely to win, but any thought of a 1997 style landslide is for the birds, in my opinion. It may be different if Starmer was popular, but he isn't. Labour will win the election because of Sunak and Reform UK, not because of Starmer. Yes people will vote Labour, while holding their nose. If you think that the problem is just Sunak, how do you explain that they are still at the same level they were under Liz Truss? The Tories issues predate Sunak a long way. Things have been nosediving since 2021... Partygate casts a long shadow. |
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Common sense would tell that any position can be somewhat recovered from with a suitable leader prepared to change direction suitably, but your target isn't Sunak.