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Post by Pacifico on Nov 28, 2022 17:53:42 GMT
The problem has been for a long time that the diverse population has been imposed, as opposed to self chosen, on the British population. Perhaps if that had not occurred we could all 'just get along together'. It is generally not white people that have a problem with ethnic minorities being in positions such as social services, the police, political representation. Why do ethnic minorities have a problem with some services that are top heavy with white people despite valiant efforts to attract more staff from minorities. Britain’s fate in recent population make up was probably sealed during its times of Empire — and the belief it should last. Maintaining a quarter of the globe under British rule, couldn’t be done by the stick alone. Some carrot needed to be offered. And what better than the fable that the Mother Country would always welcome it’s children? The myth was believed and — though hardly acknowledged now — they came and died for the Mother Country, while it waited for the USSR and the US to pull its chestnuts out of he fire in WWII — and Empire troops hadn’t held back in 1914-18. When peace returned, and Marshall Aid was distributed, the UK chose to use its lion’s share on replenishing its military rather than its industry and infrastructure. Once again Britain called on the Commonwealth to supply the effort needed to rebuild its battered land. And despite the No blacks, no dogs, no Irish signs, and KBW scrawled on walls, they stayed. Then, because of Britain’s past promises, when those it had shipped as indentured servants around the globe, or employed to combat local independence uprisings, were in danger of reprisals, it had to offer sanctuary. Did you expect to vote on every emergency evacuation scheme? Never mind though — after Kenya and Uganda had, in effect, kicked out the British-imported Asians and many had arrived in the UK, you got your way and immigration legislation began to be introduced… I dont think I have ever seen a single post with so much wrong in it - congratulations pat. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 28, 2022 17:57:51 GMT
As envisaged and defined yes. In the past I can recall growing up and never heard one racist word against Shirely Bassey or Kenny Lynch or a host others who appeared on TV at the time Danny Willaims, Charlie Willaims, Cleo Laine largely because they were all British and were integrated into British Cultural norms, possibly having an effect to change them, but in small easy steps. I know not what experience they may have had with racism but it was not in my ken or anyone in my extended family from Edinburgh to Liverpool. Multiculturalism as an ideology places emphasis on all cultures being equal, which they are not, and one can keep one's own culture alive fully whilst coming to live amongst others. That is the very opposite of aiding integration and integration of diversity is the very key to stability in society. Didn't "Shirely Bassey or Kenny Lynch or a host others who appeared on TV at the time [like] Danny Willaims, Charlie Willaims, Cleo Laine" all publicly join in the banter of the time and get classed as good sports by the majority audiences, because they knew it would be useless to complain? I have to ask because I was born in 1981 and have to rely on a full range of older people's recollections.
Nevertheless, I quite believe it's possible that you and most other people grew up never hearing one racist word against such artists.
The 50's and 70's were the years of The Black and White Minstrel Show, which had record-breaking sell-outs on tour, and got TV audiences of over 15 million.
The few complaints received by the BBC were dismissed with comments like it was a traditional show enjoyed by millions for what it offers in good-hearted family entertainment. The show lasted until 1978...
Avery long time ago while still a young teenager, raised earlier on films that showed Africans capturing white explorers with the intention of cooking them up for dinner which left me with a fear of Black people, I heard for the very first a Black Man speak in an interview on TV. He spoke with a Geordie accent which first of all amazed me and secondly brought home to me the fact that Black people are just people. |
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Post by patman post on Nov 28, 2022 17:59:26 GMT
But for many it just shows how well they can be trained to be almost English…
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Post by Toreador on Nov 28, 2022 18:19:25 GMT
Did it ever occur to you that people of different race may not want to join the police force in the numbers you think should apply? Do you want to split recruitment into different races.? If police forces around the country are making efforts to recruit more officers, perhaps useful questions might be to ask (a) do people of different ethnicities/heritages/races not want to join and, if so (b) why? Despite the disquiet and animosity on here and elsewhere to the idea that the UK now has a diverse population, doesn’t it make sense to have public services that, where possible, include members drawn from the whole community…? I don't think there's either serious animosity or disquiet on here and certainly not in my case, I'm merely addressing the situation as I see it. I don't know the reasons we don't have more ethnic police officers other than they may not want the job and there'll be cases when an immigrant may think he/she didn't go to another country to join the police force. Other than that, I could see that in certain areas, it may be considered unwise to be a copper of any colour. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 28, 2022 18:59:52 GMT
Didn't "Shirely Bassey or Kenny Lynch or a host others who appeared on TV at the time [like] Danny Willaims, Charlie Willaims, Cleo Laine" all publicly join in the banter of the time and get classed as good sports by the majority audiences, because they knew it would be useless to complain? I have to ask because I was born in 1981 and have to rely on a full range of older people's recollections.
Nevertheless, I quite believe it's possible that you and most other people grew up never hearing one racist word against such artists.
The 50's and 70's were the years of The Black and White Minstrel Show, which had record-breaking sell-outs on tour, and got TV audiences of over 15 million.
The few complaints received by the BBC were dismissed with comments like it was a traditional show enjoyed by millions for what it offers in good-hearted family entertainment. The show lasted until 1978...
Avery long time ago while still a young teenager, raised earlier on films that showed Africans capturing white explorers with the intention of cooking them up for dinner which left me with a fear of Black people, I heard for the very first a Black Man speak in an interview on TV. He spoke with a Geordie accent which first of all amazed me and secondly brought home to me the fact that Black people are just people. Did you not see Bilko where the Jew was the clever wide boy, the blonde white man was gormless, the Italian was fast talking and the black man just a member of the squad with several other also-rans. This was my point as regards Kenny Lynch in that he was just a bloke and even in 1948 Lean used black extras in the pub scene as singers, to the fore, and as normal customers in the background. You have been watching the wrong films |
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Post by see2 on Nov 28, 2022 20:23:21 GMT
Avery long time ago while still a young teenager, raised earlier on films that showed Africans capturing white explorers with the intention of cooking them up for dinner which left me with a fear of Black people, I heard for the very first a Black Man speak in an interview on TV. He spoke with a Geordie accent which first of all amazed me and secondly brought home to me the fact that Black people are just people. Did you not see Bilko where the Jew was the clever wide boy, the blonde white man was gormless, the Italian was fast talking and the black man just a member of the squad with several other also-rans. This was my point as regards Kenny Lynch in that he was just a bloke and even in 1948 Lean used black extras in the pub scene as singers, to the fore, and as normal customers in the background. You have been watching the wrong films Bilko was about comedy, if you took it seriously that's your problem. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 28, 2022 20:32:25 GMT
Did you not see Bilko where the Jew was the clever wide boy, the blonde white man was gormless, the Italian was fast talking and the black man just a member of the squad with several other also-rans. This was my point as regards Kenny Lynch in that he was just a bloke and even in 1948 Lean used black extras in the pub scene as singers, to the fore, and as normal customers in the background. You have been watching the wrong films Bilko was about comedy, if you took it seriously that's your problem. And the films that showed Africans capturing white explorers with the intention of cooking them up for dinner were documentaries, were they? |
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Post by see2 on Nov 28, 2022 20:38:13 GMT
But for many it just shows how well they can be trained to be almost English… Sorry, but that's a little too subjective for me. I think it is quite natural for normal people migrating into a foreign culture, for them to adopt many of the ways of that culture. That is not to say they should drop all of their original culture. I think it is natural and respectful to acknowledge the culture that one has moved into regardless of race. Not doing so would help create division. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 28, 2022 20:42:34 GMT
Bilko was about comedy, if you took it seriously that's your problem. And the films that showed Africans capturing white explorers with the intention of cooking them up for dinner were documentaries, were they? Of course not it was just Hollywood, but how was an eight year old to know. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 28, 2022 20:50:05 GMT
And the films that showed Africans capturing white explorers with the intention of cooking them up for dinner were documentaries, were they? Of course not it was just Hollywood, but how was an eight year old to know. It was escapism and nonsense . Not to be taken anymore seriously than Bilko. When you was 8 years old most of the UK has very few black people there. There was never any perceived need to portray blacks as anything other than exotic and rather primitive people . This wasn’t always a lie . In many parts of Africa block people lived a rather stone age existence ..as you well know. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 28, 2022 21:16:59 GMT
Did you not see Bilko where the Jew was the clever wide boy, the blonde white man was gormless, the Italian was fast talking and the black man just a member of the squad with several other also-rans. This was my point as regards Kenny Lynch in that he was just a bloke and even in 1948 Lean used black extras in the pub scene as singers, to the fore, and as normal customers in the background. You have been watching the wrong films Bilko was about comedy, if you took it seriously that's your problem. B and W minstrels was about singing but that did not stop people moaning. Your films that affected your thought process so dramatically were about entertainment and thrills. If you took what they depicted seriously then perhaps you have a bigger problem, as I did not take Bilko seriously but I did note what the interplay of characters was which aroused my curiosity. Back to Kenny Lynch he was always just Kenny Lynch whenever he appeared. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 28, 2022 22:38:58 GMT
Of course not it was just Hollywood, but how was an eight year old to know. It was escapism and nonsense . Not to be taken anymore seriously than Bilko. When you was 8 years old most of the UK has very few black people there. There was never any perceived need to portray blacks as anything other than exotic and rather primitive people . This wasn’t always a lie . In many parts of Africa block people lived a rather stone age existence ..as you well know. Agreed, but as I posted it left me, as an eight year old with a level of fear of black people. And that the black person with a Geordie accent broke that fear. Just as are own ancestors have. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 28, 2022 22:45:04 GMT
Bilko was about comedy, if you took it seriously that's your problem. B and W minstrels was about singing but that did not stop people moaning. Your films that affected your thought process so dramatically were about entertainment and thrills. If you took what they depicted seriously then perhaps you have a bigger problem, as I did not take Bilko seriously but I did note what the interplay of characters was which aroused my curiosity. Back to Kenny Lynch he was always just Kenny Lynch whenever he appeared. I do wish we had access to the 'shakes one's head' smiley. 1. Correct, and not in dispute. 2. I was eight years old at the time. 3. It was normal at that time, there was nothing in it to be taken seriously. 4. OK, shrugs shoulders. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 28, 2022 22:59:51 GMT
It was escapism and nonsense . Not to be taken anymore seriously than Bilko. When you was 8 years old most of the UK has very few black people there. There was never any perceived need to portray blacks as anything other than exotic and rather primitive people . This wasn’t always a lie . In many parts of Africa block people lived a rather stone age existence ..as you well know. Agreed, but as I posted it left me, as an eight year old with a level of fear of black people. And that the black person with a Geordie accent broke that fear. Just as are own ancestors have. Mmmm ok 👍 |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 30, 2022 13:10:52 GMT
?? Bias, I have no issue with the premier league being a much greater percentage of BAME than exists in the country as people are making decisions based on talent, capability and attitude. I am unclear why everything else has to be equal percentages if we are in a multicultural country where anyone is supposed to be able to be anything. If a better qualified person wishes to be a policeman that person should be a policeman over and above a less qualified person. That just seems like common sense. Simple question do you think there should be more Ethnic minority in the police force, and who are these people joining the police force less quailfield. Not a simple question First how many non white policemen are there Second how does this compare to the general population Third how many apply and succeed compared to white policemen Fourth what about policewomen and policeteapots One might say looking at the demographics of arrests and convictions it would be an interesting experiment to match the ratio of races present in jail with races in police uniform it will make the ranting of the collared criminal different if nothing else. |
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