|
|
Post by sandypine on Nov 21, 2022 22:25:00 GMT
I take that has a Answer you don't think there should be more Ethnic minority in the police force . Especially it was you who made the comment that Affirmative Action is Racially Discrimination. Ive akready gave my reason why there should be more ethnic minority in the police force. Here in Rochdale ive come across a few Asian police officers and they seem more polite and affirmative. Think the NHS is a good example of people from a different race/Nationality and culture in action I never said that I said that suitability is the criteria that should apply. If an Asian is the better choice then he is the better choice and his ethnicity is immaterial, the same goes for a white man. Speaking about the bleedin obvious then Affirmative Action cannot be anything other than Racially discriminatory as selection is based on a racial profile. This seems so obvious as to be almost not worth saying but it seems some people cannot see this. Your reason seems to be that white people are more racist and Asian police officers are more polite. In general terms I despair. |
|
|
|
Post by Pacifico on Nov 21, 2022 22:27:16 GMT
Ive akready answerd that question read though my post. Sorry I have just seen it - but I'm struggling to make sense of it. You seem to be asking for equal representation within the Police force as that will solve racism - if that is the case then would you support equal representation within football to solve the racism issue there - and what would you say to the black lads who were kicked out to make way for less gifted Asian lads? |
|
|
|
Post by totheleft3 on Nov 21, 2022 22:27:33 GMT
So your against Multicultural society? As envisaged and defined yes. Inin the past I can recall growing up and never heard one racist word against Shirely Bassey or Kenny Lynch or a host others who appeared on TV at the time Danny Willaims, Charlie Willaims, Cleo Laine largely because they were all British and were integrated into British Cultural norms, possibly having an effect to change them, but in small easy steps. I know not what experience they may have had with racism but it was not in my ken or anyone in my extended family from Edinburgh to Liverpool. Multiculturalism as an ideology places emphasis on all cultures being equal, which they are not, and one can keep one's own culture alive fully whilst coming to live amongst others. That is the very opposite of aiding integration and integration of diversity is the very key to stability in society. I dont know how old your are or the time your talking about but i can say racism has excisted before mosley and the Black shirts even they was small in number. In 1967 racism become political with the rise of NF . Im from Rochdale and can tell you Pakistani bashing was the norm a everyday accerance . In modern times we have The BNP who might be a spent force but most BNP members have found Alternative right groups like ukip and reform. |
|
|
|
Post by totheleft3 on Nov 21, 2022 22:41:27 GMT
Ive akready answerd that question read though my post. Sorry I have just seen it - but I'm struggling to make sense of it. You seem to be asking for equal representation within the Police force as that will solve racism - if that is the case then would you support equal representation within football to solve the racism issue there - and what would you say to the black lads who were kicked out to make way for less gifted Asian lads? I think football is a good example where racism in the teams is more or less none excistent love seeing black players in the national team . Has for racism on the terrances i dont know if you Attend football games but i remmember the 70s/80s racism was premament. it still excess today but nowhere it was only a few decades ago. And sorry im not sure what you mean black lads being kicked out for less talented Asians are you talking about football |
|
|
|
Post by Pacifico on Nov 21, 2022 22:51:06 GMT
Sorry I have just seen it - but I'm struggling to make sense of it. You seem to be asking for equal representation within the Police force as that will solve racism - if that is the case then would you support equal representation within football to solve the racism issue there - and what would you say to the black lads who were kicked out to make way for less gifted Asian lads? I think football is a good example where racism in the teams is more or less none excistent love seeing black players in the national team . Has for racism on the terrances i dont know if you Attend football games but i remmember the 70s/80s racism was premament. it still excess today but nowhere it was only a few decades ago. And sorry im not sure what you mean black lads being kicked out for less talented Asians are you talking about football Asian lads are under-represented in Football and black lads are over-represented - what should be done? |
|
|
|
Post by totheleft3 on Nov 21, 2022 22:55:28 GMT
I take that has a Answer you don't think there should be more Ethnic minority in the police force . Especially it was you who made the comment that Affirmative Action is Racially Discrimination. Ive akready gave my reason why there should be more ethnic minority in the police force. Here in Rochdale ive come across a few Asian police officers and they seem more polite and affirmative. Think the NHS is a good example of people from a different race/Nationality and culture in action I never said that I said that suitability is the criteria that should apply. If an Asian is the better choice then he is the better choice and his ethnicity is immaterial, the same goes for a white man. Speaking about the bleedin obvious then Affirmative Action cannot be anything other than Racially discriminatory as selection is based on a racial profile. This seems so obvious as to be almost not worth saying but it seems some people cannot see this.Your reason seems to be that white people are more racist and Asian police officers are more polite. In general terms I despair. Ive already made the point Affirmative action isnt based on race . Affffirmative Action Is for woman , disabled, and then with learning difficultes |
|
|
|
Post by totheleft3 on Nov 21, 2022 23:02:27 GMT
I think football is acricketmple where racism in the teams is more or less none excistent love seeing black players in the national team . Has for racism on the terrances i dont know if you Attend football games but i remmember the 70s/80s racism was premament. it still excess today but nowhere it was only a few decades ago. And sorry im not sure what you mean black lads being kicked out for less talented Asians are you talking about football Asian lads are under-represented in Football and black lads are over-represented - what should be done? Asian lads dont seem to be Interested in football dont know how to reconsile this . But the same can be said about cricket where Asians out number blacks its a matter of personal choice. Talk about talent look at Mo farria ive been on forums who have called him because hes black and muslim. |
|
|
|
Post by sandypine on Nov 22, 2022 16:37:04 GMT
As envisaged and defined yes. Inin the past I can recall growing up and never heard one racist word against Shirely Bassey or Kenny Lynch or a host others who appeared on TV at the time Danny Willaims, Charlie Willaims, Cleo Laine largely because they were all British and were integrated into British Cultural norms, possibly having an effect to change them, but in small easy steps. I know not what experience they may have had with racism but it was not in my ken or anyone in my extended family from Edinburgh to Liverpool. Multiculturalism as an ideology places emphasis on all cultures being equal, which they are not, and one can keep one's own culture alive fully whilst coming to live amongst others. That is the very opposite of aiding integration and integration of diversity is the very key to stability in society. I dont know how old your are or the time your talking about but i can say racism has excisted before mosley and the Black shirts even they was small in number. In 1967 racism become political with the rise of NF . Im from Rochdale and can tell you Pakistani bashing was the norm a everyday accerance . In modern times we have The BNP who might be a spent force but most BNP members have found Alternative right groups like ukip and reform. There is a difference between existing and being rife. The point I was making was that racist comments as regards ethnic minorities was not used to my knowledge by anyone I knew, growing up in central Scotland I heard far more vilification of Catholics. Our school had Poles, Germans. Italians and even English |
|
|
|
Post by see2 on Nov 22, 2022 19:24:50 GMT
Your bias is showing again. ?? Bias, I have no issue with the premier league being a much greater percentage of BAME than exists in the country as people are making decisions based on talent, capability and attitude. I am unclear why everything else has to be equal percentages if we are in a multicultural country where anyone is supposed to be able to be anything. If a better qualified person wishes to be a policeman that person should be a policeman over and above a less qualified person. That just seems like common sense. The point being that given two equally capable individuals applying for a position, then lowering the tendency to select the none BAME in order to follow tradition, makes no sense. Society is mixed, so an interracial police force makes ultimate sense. An inability to see the obvious also makes no sense. |
|
|
|
Post by sandypine on Nov 22, 2022 22:04:04 GMT
?? Bias, I have no issue with the premier league being a much greater percentage of BAME than exists in the country as people are making decisions based on talent, capability and attitude. I am unclear why everything else has to be equal percentages if we are in a multicultural country where anyone is supposed to be able to be anything. If a better qualified person wishes to be a policeman that person should be a policeman over and above a less qualified person. That just seems like common sense. The point being that given two equally capable individuals applying for a position, then lowering the tendency to select the none BAME in order to follow tradition, makes no sense. Society is mixed, so an interracial police force makes ultimate sense. An inability to see the obvious also makes no sense. Well assuming that equally suited candidates cannot be separated by interview each candidate should have a 2 to 1 chance of being selected. If a white man comes up against equally suited BAME candidates in a whole range of interviews he effectively has no chance being selected. I have not even mentioned training where the intent, and legal allowance, is to make BAME candidates especially able to be of equal merit. |
|
|
|
Post by totheleft3 on Nov 23, 2022 0:06:45 GMT
The point being that given two equally capable individuals applying for a position, then lowering the tendency to select the none BAME in order to follow tradition, makes no sense. Society is mixed, so an interracial police force makes ultimate sense. An inability to see the obvious also makes no sense. Well assuming that equally suited candidates cannot be separated by interview each candidate should have a 2 to 1 chance of being selected. If a white man comes up against equally suited BAME candidates in a whole range of interviews he effectively has no chance being selected. I have not even mentioned training where the intent, and legal allowance, is to make BAME candidates especially able to be of equal merit. If there Is bias to favour the Blackman why have so few black people been selected between 2007and 2018 like my op states? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2022 0:51:11 GMT
I think football is a good example where racism in the teams is more or less none excistent love seeing black players in the national team . Has for racism on the terrances i dont know if you Attend football games but i remmember the 70s/80s racism was premament. it still excess today but nowhere it was only a few decades ago. And sorry im not sure what you mean black lads being kicked out for less talented Asians are you talking about football Asian lads are under-represented in Football and black lads are over-represented - what should be done? I guess it doesn't matter, because neither are white. There's only two camps - white and BAME. It would seem that anti-racism is still racism, just with an opposite charge, which would explain the militant aim to wipe out all racism with racism. Is it even meant to make sense?
|
|
|
|
Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 24, 2022 15:44:28 GMT
I really don't get the left's fascistic obsession with identity politics. Normal people just don't view everyone else that way.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 11:20:44 GMT
I really don't get the left's fascistic obsession with identity politics. Normal people just don't view everyone else that way. They love divisive campaigns that can gain group support and a ton of money, especially from the entertainment industry and big corporation in the US. The hypocrisy is mind blowing.
|
|
|
|
Post by patman post on Nov 27, 2022 16:30:26 GMT
I really don't get the left's fascistic obsession with identity politics. Normal people just don't view everyone else that way. Who are "normal people"? Are they the majority who hold similar views? Or are they those who hold the same views as you...?
|
|
