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Post by patman post on Nov 27, 2022 17:24:00 GMT
So your against Multicultural society? As envisaged and defined yes. In the past I can recall growing up and never heard one racist word against Shirely Bassey or Kenny Lynch or a host others who appeared on TV at the time Danny Willaims, Charlie Willaims, Cleo Laine largely because they were all British and were integrated into British Cultural norms, possibly having an effect to change them, but in small easy steps. I know not what experience they may have had with racism but it was not in my ken or anyone in my extended family from Edinburgh to Liverpool. Multiculturalism as an ideology places emphasis on all cultures being equal, which they are not, and one can keep one's own culture alive fully whilst coming to live amongst others. That is the very opposite of aiding integration and integration of diversity is the very key to stability in society. Didn't "Shirely Bassey or Kenny Lynch or a host others who appeared on TV at the time [like] Danny Willaims, Charlie Willaims, Cleo Laine" all publicly join in the banter of the time and get classed as good sports by the majority audiences, because they knew it would be useless to complain? I have to ask because I was born in 1981 and have to rely on a full range of older people's recollections.
Nevertheless, I quite believe it's possible that you and most other people grew up never hearing one racist word against such artists.
The 50's and 70's were the years of The Black and White Minstrel Show, which had record-breaking sell-outs on tour, and got TV audiences of over 15 million.
The few complaints received by the BBC were dismissed with comments like it was a traditional show enjoyed by millions for what it offers in good-hearted family entertainment. The show lasted until 1978...
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 27, 2022 17:32:27 GMT
As envisaged and defined yes. In the past I can recall growing up and never heard one racist word against Shirely Bassey or Kenny Lynch or a host others who appeared on TV at the time Danny Willaims, Charlie Willaims, Cleo Laine largely because they were all British and were integrated into British Cultural norms, possibly having an effect to change them, but in small easy steps. I know not what experience they may have had with racism but it was not in my ken or anyone in my extended family from Edinburgh to Liverpool. Multiculturalism as an ideology places emphasis on all cultures being equal, which they are not, and one can keep one's own culture alive fully whilst coming to live amongst others. That is the very opposite of aiding integration and integration of diversity is the very key to stability in society. Didn't "Shirely Bassey or Kenny Lynch or a host others who appeared on TV at the time [like] Danny Willaims, Charlie Willaims, Cleo Laine" all publicly join in the banter of the time and get classed as good sports by the majority audiences, because they knew it would be useless to complain? I have to ask because I was born in 1981 and have to rely on a full range of older people's recollections.
Nevertheless, I quite believe it's possible that you and most other people grew up never hearing one racist word against such artists.
The 50's and 70's were the years of The Black and White Minstrel Show, which had record-breaking sell-outs on tour, and got TV audiences of over 15 million.
The few complaints received by the BBC were dismissed with comments like it was a traditional show enjoyed by millions for what it offers in good-hearted family entertainment. The show lasted until 1978...
I use to enjoy the Black and white minsrels never thought it was prejudged against the Black community , But likei saidbi witnessed daily Pakistani bashing and attacks on there premises |
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Post by patman post on Nov 27, 2022 17:50:34 GMT
I use to enjoy the Black and white minsrels never thought it was prejudged against the Black community , But likei saidbi witnessed daily Pakistani bashing and attacks on there premises I'm guessing you're not Black. I'm not White. That difference (among many others) is going to affect our experiences of life and also how we view our respective worlds.
There were inevitable grumbles from dedicated fans when the show was discontinued. The Controller of BBC1 responded by acknowledging that the racist implication was now obvious to all. He said it’s all very well people who are not Black saying ‘I didn’t think about it that way’, but it was the views of people who are Black that also needed to be taken into account...
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 27, 2022 18:11:32 GMT
I use to enjoy the Black and white minsrels never thought it was prejudged against the Black community , But likei saidbi witnessed daily Pakistani bashing and attacks on there premises I'm guessing you're not Black. I'm not White. That difference (among many others) is going to affect our experiences of life and also how we view our respective worlds.
There were inevitable grumbles from dedicated fans when the show was discontinued. The Controller of BBC1 responded by acknowledging that the racist implication was now obvious to all. He said it’s all very well people who are not Black saying ‘I didn’t think about it that way’, but it was the views of people who are Black that also needed to be taken into account...
Ok fair enough pat |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 27, 2022 18:53:30 GMT
Ive akready answerd that question read though my post. Did it ever occur to you that people of different race may not want to join the police force in the numbers you think should apply? Do you want to split recruitment into different races.? |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 27, 2022 19:04:25 GMT
As envisaged and defined yes. In the past I can recall growing up and never heard one racist word against Shirely Bassey or Kenny Lynch or a host others who appeared on TV at the time Danny Willaims, Charlie Willaims, Cleo Laine largely because they were all British and were integrated into British Cultural norms, possibly having an effect to change them, but in small easy steps. I know not what experience they may have had with racism but it was not in my ken or anyone in my extended family from Edinburgh to Liverpool. Multiculturalism as an ideology places emphasis on all cultures being equal, which they are not, and one can keep one's own culture alive fully whilst coming to live amongst others. That is the very opposite of aiding integration and integration of diversity is the very key to stability in society. Didn't "Shirely Bassey or Kenny Lynch or a host others who appeared on TV at the time [like] Danny Willaims, Charlie Willaims, Cleo Laine" all publicly join in the banter of the time and get classed as good sports by the majority audiences, because they knew it would be useless to complain? I have to ask because I was born in 1981 and have to rely on a full range of older people's recollections.
Nevertheless, I quite believe it's possible that you and most other people grew up never hearing one racist word against such artists.
The 50's and 70's were the years of The Black and White Minstrel Show, which had record-breaking sell-outs on tour, and got TV audiences of over 15 million.
The few complaints received by the BBC were dismissed with comments like it was a traditional show enjoyed by millions for what it offers in good-hearted family entertainment. The show lasted until 1978...
Charlie Williams did but as for the others I have no recollection of anything untoward said about them or to them and as a nipper I was within earshot of Kenny Lynch and Hughie Green having a charity lunch. The point I made was I had family in Scotland and Liverpool and both working class areas and not a whisper and the Liverpool and the Liverpool houses were all busy. Bassey was the Tigress from Tiger Bay, or Burly Chassis. Cleo Laine was just a British fixture to my recollection and Danny Williams was just a singer and I have little memory of seeing him much. The Minstrels, like many artists of teh time dressed up as something else as part of the act. Leo Sayer dressed as a clown for his act, Gilbert O'Sullivan as a working class flat cap chappie, Danny La Rue as a woman (do women complain?) as did Barry Humphries, Adge Cutler and the Wurzels as Somerset farmers, Russ Abbott as a ridiculously kilted, Scotsman with an oversized Tam o Shanter and a 'see you Jimmie' accent and I never complained about that, in fact he was quite funny on occasion. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 27, 2022 19:13:31 GMT
Ive akready answerd that question read though my postinteresting it ever occur to you that people of different race may not want to join the police force in the numbers you think should apply? Do you want to split recruitment into different races.? Good Question no I dont want to spilt recument by race .and you got to ask why different race might not want to join the police force . it be interesting if we knew the figures how many have applied and how many recuted |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 27, 2022 19:19:24 GMT
I use to enjoy the Black and white minsrels never thought it was prejudged against the Black community , But likei saidbi witnessed daily Pakistani bashing and attacks on there premises I'm guessing you're not Black. I'm not White. That difference (among many others) is going to affect our experiences of life and also how we view our respective worlds.
There were inevitable grumbles from dedicated fans when the show was discontinued. The Controller of BBC1 responded by acknowledging that the racist implication was now obvious to all. He said it’s all very well people who are not Black saying ‘I didn’t think about it that way’, but it was the views of people who are Black that also needed to be taken into account...
Why were black people watching it if they thought it was racist. I wasn't a devotee but on occasion I saw it I never saw anything unsavoury; perhaps I wasn't looking for the problems. Let's go back to Al Jolson times; he was Jewish by the way. He did his act because white people wouldn't go to black theatre. He was not, however racist and Google says " Despite his promotion and perpetuation of black stereotypes,[11] his work was often well-regarded by black publications and he has been credited for fighting against black discrimination on Broadway". I think the Black and White Minstrels were not a bunch of racists but I have some worries that the black people who condemned them may have been. |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 27, 2022 19:22:35 GMT
Good Question no I dont want to spilt recument by race .and you got to ask why different race might not want to join the police force . it be interesting if we knew the figures how many have applied and how many recuted It might be interesting if I didn't struggle to understand what you are saying. |
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Post by patman post on Nov 28, 2022 14:39:09 GMT
Did it ever occur to you that people of different race may not want to join the police force in the numbers you think should apply? Do you want to split recruitment into different races.? If police forces around the country are making efforts to recruit more officers, perhaps useful questions might be to ask (a) do people of different ethnicities/heritages/races not want to join and, if so (b) why? Despite the disquiet and animosity on here and elsewhere to the idea that the UK now has a diverse population, doesn’t it make sense to have public services that, where possible, include members drawn from the whole community…? |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 28, 2022 15:35:55 GMT
Did it ever occur to you that people of different race may not want to join the police force in the numbers you think should apply? Do you want to split recruitment into different races.? If police forces around the country are making efforts to recruit more officers, perhaps useful questions might be to ask (a) do people of different ethnicities/heritages/races not want to join and, if so (b) why? Despite the disquiet and animosity on here and elsewhere to the idea that the UK now has a diverse population, doesn’t it make sense to have public services that, where possible, include members drawn from the whole community…? The problem has been for a long time that the diverse population has been imposed, as opposed to self chosen, on the British population. Perhaps if that had not occurred we could all 'just get along together'. It is generally not white people that have a problem with ethnic minorities being in positions such as social services, the police, political representation. Why do ethnic minorities have a problem with some services that are top heavy with white people despite valiant efforts to attract more staff from minorities. |
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Post by patman post on Nov 28, 2022 17:32:05 GMT
If police forces around the country are making efforts to recruit more officers, perhaps useful questions might be to ask (a) do people of different ethnicities/heritages/races not want to join and, if so (b) why? Despite the disquiet and animosity on here and elsewhere to the idea that the UK now has a diverse population, doesn’t it make sense to have public services that, where possible, include members drawn from the whole community…? The problem has been for a long time that the diverse population has been imposed, as opposed to self chosen, on the British population. Perhaps if that had not occurred we could all 'just get along together'. It is generally not white people that have a problem with ethnic minorities being in positions such as social services, the police, political representation. Why do ethnic minorities have a problem with some services that are top heavy with white people despite valiant efforts to attract more staff from minorities. Britain’s fate in recent population make up was probably sealed during its times of Empire — and the belief it should last. Maintaining a quarter of the globe under British rule, couldn’t be done by the stick alone. Some carrot needed to be offered. And what better than the fable that the Mother Country would always welcome it’s children? The myth was believed and — though hardly acknowledged now — they came and died for the Mother Country, while it waited for the USSR and the US to pull its chestnuts out of he fire in WWII — and Empire troops hadn’t held back in 1914-18. When peace returned, and Marshall Aid was distributed, the UK chose to use its lion’s share on replenishing its military rather than its industry and infrastructure. Once again Britain called on the Commonwealth to supply the effort needed to rebuild its battered land. And despite the No blacks, no dogs, no Irish signs, and KBW scrawled on walls, they stayed. Then, because of Britain’s past promises, when those it had shipped as indentured servants around the globe, or employed to combat local independence uprisings, were in danger of reprisals, it had to offer sanctuary. Did you expect to vote on every emergency evacuation scheme? Never mind though — after Kenya and Uganda had, in effect, kicked out the British-imported Asians and many had arrived in the UK, you got your way and immigration legislation began to be introduced… |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 28, 2022 17:50:09 GMT
In other words, blah blha blab
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 28, 2022 17:51:12 GMT
With a BIG FAT Yawnnnnnn
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Post by borchester on Nov 28, 2022 17:51:30 GMT
The problem has been for a long time that the diverse population has been imposed, as opposed to self chosen, on the British population. Perhaps if that had not occurred we could all 'just get along together'. It is generally not white people that have a problem with ethnic minorities being in positions such as social services, the police, political representation. Why do ethnic minorities have a problem with some services that are top heavy with white people despite valiant efforts to attract more staff from minorities. Britain’s fate in recent population make up was probably sealed during its times of Empire — and the belief it should last. Maintaining a quarter of the globe under British rule, couldn’t be done by the stick alone. Some carrot needed to be offered. And what better than the fable that the Mother Country would always welcome it’s children? The myth was believed and — though hardly acknowledged now — they came and died for the Mother Country, while it waited for the USSR and the US to pull its chestnuts out of he fire in WWII — and Empire troops hadn’t held back in 1914-18. When peace returned, and Marshall Aid was distributed, the UK chose to use its lion’s share on replenishing its military rather than its industry and infrastructure. Once again Britain called on the Commonwealth to supply the effort needed to rebuild its battered land. And despite the No blacks, no dogs, no Irish signs, and KBW scrawled on walls, they stayed. Then, because of Britain’s past promises, when those it had shipped as indentured servants around the globe, or employed to combat local independence uprisings, were in danger of reprisals, it had to offer sanctuary. Did you expect to vote on every emergency evacuation scheme? Never mind though — after Kenya and Uganda had, in effect, kicked out the British-imported Asians and many had arrived in the UK, you got your way and immigration legislation began to be introduced… This is true.
Patman has suffered endless persecution from British racists and have reluctantly admitted that he is considering seeking a better life in kinder climes.
God bless you Pat. It is unlikely that the UK will survive without you to prop the old country up, but that will be our problem. So off you go and don't forget to send us a postcard
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