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Post by see2 on Mar 30, 2024 10:03:49 GMT
In what areas of industrial, scientific or social commerce does the UK lead the world.
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 30, 2024 10:13:47 GMT
Human rights and EDI.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 30, 2024 10:40:08 GMT
We develop tech, other countries then make it.
We invented the jet engine and did the groundwork for supersonic flight (Miles M.52) Labour cancelled the project and gave all the data to the Yanks.
We invented the maglev train. Japan made it.
We invented the tilting train. Italy made it.
We invented fuel synthesis, the Canadians are making it.
We lead the world in scientific developments but are self flagelating.
It's time to stand tall, stand proud and make the tech we invent.
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Post by see2 on Mar 30, 2024 11:22:15 GMT
I made a major omission in the OP.
My thoughts were what are we doing TODAY, and where does it put us in terms of what is going on in the world TODAY.?
I am pretty much aware of our history, which is why I wanted to ask the question.
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Post by sandypine on Mar 30, 2024 14:54:09 GMT
I made a major omission in the OP. My thoughts were what are we doing TODAY, and where does it put us in terms of what is going on in the world TODAY.? I am pretty much aware of our history, which is why I wanted to ask the question. We still have a multitude of small manufacturing companies that make various industrial items that are not made as well in other countries. It seems other countries cannot marry quantity and quality in the way some UK companies can. They are a dying breed though. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 30, 2024 15:04:33 GMT
They were a dying breed before we voted to leave the EU. Now things are starting to change.
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Post by patman post on Mar 30, 2024 15:31:26 GMT
We develop tech, other countries then make it. We invented the jet engine and did the groundwork for supersonic flight (Miles M.52) Labour cancelled the project and gave all the data to the Yanks. We invented the maglev train. Japan made it. We invented the tilting train. Italy made it. We invented fuel synthesis, the Canadians are making it. We lead the world in scientific developments but are self flagelating. It's time to stand tall, stand proud and make the tech we invent. It's good to have pride, but although these things are not always clear, it's worth more if it's accurate.
The first operational jet engine was designed in Germany by Hans Pabst von Ohain and powered the first jet-aircraft flight on August 27.
Transrapid 05 was the first maglev train licensed for passenger transportation. In 1979 a 908-metre track was open in Hamburg for the first International Transportation Exhibition (IVA 79).
The Italians built the first tilting train in the world, the ETR 401.
Direct conversion of coal to synthetic fuel originally developed in Germany — the Bergius process, which received a patent in 1913.
Various claims have been made about the originators of fibre-optic communications. There's no doubt the UK research labs of a US company played a leading role in its development. But there are several claims to be "the first"...
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 30, 2024 15:45:56 GMT
A short list of things that used to be made in the UK and which are still made in the EU. Heavy trucks Railway locomotives Passenger ships Airliners Electrical generating systems and switchgear Mobile phones Lifts and escalators Heavy earthmoving equipment Trams Tractors and agricultural machinery Railway track-laying and maintenance equipment Vehicle ferries Power Looms Television and film cameras Shipyard cranes and container handling systems Tunneling machines Machine tools Semiconductors MRI/CT scanners X-ray equipment Mining equipment Container and bulk cargo carriers Civil radar systems
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Post by patman post on Mar 30, 2024 17:21:49 GMT
I made a major omission in the OP. My thoughts were what are we doing TODAY, and where does it put us in terms of what is going on in the world TODAY.? I am pretty much aware of our history, which is why I wanted to ask the question. Perhaps the UK lacks the size to be a leader in any heavy industrial sector, but it might establish recognised world centres of excellence in such fields as pharmaceuticals, CGI in film production, computer games, etc. In all these, AI is going to prove itself an invaluable tool and, in developing this, the UK might be among the leaders. I already suspect the UK is more accomplished in surveillance and anti-hacking than the public is aware of. At least, it would be good to think so… |
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Post by see2 on Mar 30, 2024 18:01:55 GMT
They were a dying breed before we voted to leave the EU. Now things are starting to change. In words thoughts and opinions along with pie in the sky intentions maybe. I'm still waiting to see where the UK is a leading force in this day and age in anything. Not saying they aren't its just that I don't see it. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 31, 2024 11:00:59 GMT
One of the obstacles to the UK becoming a 'leading force' in anything is the extreme laissez-faire neo-liberal approach of successive governments which follow the dogma that the market is the solution for everything and that the ultimate test of the worth of any endeavour is 'value for money'.
This mindset mitigates against the creation and development of 'National Champions' in specific fields as is normal in all other large economies, even the USA.
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Post by see2 on Mar 31, 2024 15:54:08 GMT
One of the obstacles to the UK becoming a 'leading force' in anything is the extreme laissez-faire neo-liberal approach of successive governments which follow the dogma that the market is the solution for everything and that the ultimate test of the worth of any endeavour is 'value for money'. This mindset mitigates against the creation and development of 'National Champions' in specific fields as is normal in all other large economies, even the USA. New Labour rescued state education from the nonsense of the 'Grant Maintained' system introduced by Thatcher. They also recognised the poor state, low quality and low numbers of apprenticeships. making various improvements following 18 years of semi destruction by the Conservatives. So claiming that Labour were equally guilty of the Tory policies / approach you mention above is not correct. researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7266/CBP-7266.pdf |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 31, 2024 16:06:19 GMT
I made a major omission in the OP. My thoughts were what are we doing TODAY, and where does it put us in terms of what is going on in the world TODAY.? I am pretty much aware of our history, which is why I wanted to ask the question. We still have a multitude of small manufacturing companies that make various industrial items that are not made as well in other countries. It seems other countries cannot marry quantity and quality in the way some UK companies can. They are a dying breed though. A lot is military production. In other words things to destroy assets with. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 31, 2024 16:06:37 GMT
My remarks concerned industrial policy or the lack of one rather than social policy.
But as far as education policy is concerned, the Labour government performed the initial wrecking of the educational system by forcing US-style comprehensive schools on all local authorities in the 1960s. This decline of secondary education into mediocrity was done for purely ideological reasons, a job which the Blairites completed by mandating a US-style tertiary system in which anyone who desired a 'college education' could get one if they can pay for it, or find somebody else who will.
The Tories have proved just as guilty by not repealing these disastrous changes when they've had the chance.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 31, 2024 17:07:03 GMT
My remarks concerned industrial policy or the lack of one rather than social policy. But as far as education policy is concerned, the Labour government performed the initial wrecking of the educational system by forcing US-style comprehensive schools on all local authorities in the 1960s. This decline of secondary education into mediocrity was done for purely ideological reasons, a job which the Blairites completed by mandating a US-style tertiary system in which anyone who desired a 'college education' could get one if they can pay for it, or find somebody else who will. The Tories have proved just as guilty by not repealing these disastrous changes when they've had the chance. It was not just those changes though. They changed everything to do with the way education is taught. The psychologists have screwed with it with their flawed pseudoscience. |
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