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Post by Totheleft on Mar 26, 2024 18:01:26 GMT
Read it Several times how can I be wrong when there statement from the official Govenment on such Matters. Well you obviously do not understand what is written - you claim the idea that someone can get £90,000 in welfare for 3 kids is impossible and then link to the scheme that pays out that welfare..... Admit your error and move on. I take it you do know what a Benfits cap is .I also post a post that says in London the House cap is £48.00 And outside London it's a lower rate . Could imagine in Middlesbrough it be around mid £30.000 ? Once again there no chance on Earth a household can get 90.000 . No way. Learn and Move on . What scheme it's a local authority Grant not a welfare Benfits. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 26, 2024 18:10:37 GMT
Education Health and Care plans are not covered by the Benefits Cap...
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 26, 2024 18:18:09 GMT
Education Health and Care plans are not covered by the Benefits Cap... No like I said there local Auchority Grants not welfare Benifits . Learn and move on . Look at my third post that Covers ECH. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 26, 2024 21:35:13 GMT
Handouts are handouts - no matter how you try and spin it.
Admit your error and move on.
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 26, 2024 23:17:06 GMT
I train on the benefit cap. What would you like to know?
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 27, 2024 7:10:33 GMT
You can't red it's impossible. No you are wrong there - I suggest you read the story carefully. Almost impossible to read it without spending money because it is behind a paywall. On my Oppo phone I get one inch of the seven inch screen I can squint at, while the other six plays cyber highwayman. From the top then. Master White admits he is a miserable failure. Fatherless since his father became one of the many victims of Blair's warmongering, his mother was forced by his father's death while in the armed services to give up her job and look after the now half orphaned family. The only source of income not means tested is the dead father's army pension School was denied to him by Boris Johnson's shutdown of the entire education system thanks to the Chinese Pox. He was denied the opportunity to sit any GCSE's with his 'results' determined by a mix of joke mock exams and teacher assessments from a year in which no teacher had any proper chance to interact with their pupils In a world where the state refuses to help children who do badly in the school system - which I can personally attest to from the shouting match I had with Blind Pew Blunkett in St Stephens Hall when the Education Authority banned Sarah from taking GCSE's in school because her dyslexia had condemned her to the retards class and letting her sit them would jeopardise the schools number one league table slot, and Blunkett refused to let children sit exams externally in adult education centres at private expense something I was allowed to do in the seventies to get a computer studies o level not taught in schools) I struggle to see why Master White is to blame in any was for his misfortunes beyond being a victim of a system that does not give a fuck about families left behind as casualties of warmongering. I'll now continue reading the story in that one inch window and may have more to say later on other cases in another post. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 27, 2024 7:47:02 GMT
You may of read it lefty old bean. But you failed to understand it...So SNAFU.. Failed to understand what you can't get unemployment benefits until your 18? And the other one not a unemployment benefit it's a Grant from the local Authorities. Do you understand that? The story refers in one paragraph to a household where more than one child is entitled to an 'educational plan' The only link I can find to anything of that type is here www.gov.uk/children-with-special-educational-needs/extra-SEN-helpIt makes it clear any person up to the age of 25 can be assessed under this scheme It makes it clear one outcome of that assessment is a payment, direct to the parents if the impacted children These payments are not means tested. Are any of these words too long or complicated for you to understand ? If so I can arrange for you to be assessed under the adult equivalent of the programme. This will I hope help you see how big the hole is that you are digging. But to Pacifico I do have a question, or at least a thought to put As I mentioned in my other post I know exactly how these schemes work. I have experienced them and their many failings and shortcomings as one of literally millions of parents whose children have at some point been 'assessed' as having a special educational need. In Sarah's case the assessment and the assistance were utterly worse than useless. But ironically Sarah's final triumph over her problems - assisted by privately funded aid paid for from my freelance arms manufacturing has given her access to a teaching opportunity where she seems almost uniquely able to connect to kids with sight, hearing and learning difficulties. From that she also has exposure to children and parents using the same assessment system None of them get financial support to that degree I wonder, how big is the Pakistani community in Middlesbrough Because it seems to me the only way a family might get more than one child so disabled as to warrant that level of assessment expenditure is for their parents to be the product of multi generational incest such as only first cousin marriage practiced across several generations so as to maintain a family's wealth across multiple dowry obligations can produce And only one ethnic group go in for that, and we all know who they are |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 27, 2024 7:47:40 GMT
I take it you do know what a Benfits cap is .I also post a post that says in London the House cap is £48.00 And outside London it's a lower rate . Could imagine in Middlesbrough it be around mid £30.000 ? Once again there no chance on Earth a household can get 90.000 . No way. Learn and Move on . What scheme it's a local authority Grant not a welfare Benfits. Charlie it's too much. The more benefits are paid, the more people become used to benefits. Honestly I cant believe some lefties call this government right wing, this so called nasty right wing Tory government have increased the benefits or social welfare bill more than any government in British political history which has created a soft and pampered class of young lefties who have no honour, no pride, to them, history is a complete anathema. |
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 27, 2024 7:59:25 GMT
I take it you do know what a Benfits cap is .I also post a post that says in London the House cap is £48.00 And outside London it's a lower rate . Could imagine in Middlesbrough it be around mid £30.000 ? Once again there no chance on Earth a household can get 90.000 . No way. Learn and Move on . What scheme it's a local authority Grant not a welfare Benfits. Charlie it's too much. The more benefits are paid, the more people become used to benefits. Honestly I cant believe some lefties call this government right wing, this so called nasty right wing Tory government have increased the benefits or social welfare bill more than any government in British political history which has created a soft and pampered class of young lefties who have no honour, no pride, to them, history is a complete anathema. Where has the increased in Social welfare benefits come from red . With so called unemployment level at its lowest level? Unemployment benefits cost 1 Billion red 1 Billion . Pensions cost 340 Billion + it's the second most expenditure of government spending after the NHS. Last year triple lock seen a 8% increase . Working person a Average of just over 6% increase . It's just not right . |
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 27, 2024 8:25:28 GMT
I take it you do know what a Benfits cap is .I also post a post that says in London the House cap is £48.00 And outside London it's a lower rate . Could imagine in Middlesbrough it be around mid £30.000 ? Once again there no chance on Earth a household can get 90.000 . No way. Learn and Move on . What scheme it's a local authority Grant not a welfare Benfits. Charlie it's too much. The more benefits are paid, the more people become used to benefits. Honestly I cant believe some lefties call this government right wing, this so called nasty right wing Tory government have increased the benefits or social welfare bill more than any government in British political history which has created a soft and pampered class of young lefties who have no honour, no pride, to them, history is a complete anathema. Given that working age benefit rates have had multiple freezes since 2010, and yet are supposed to be the minimum amount to live on, when they are not increasing by inflation, I'm totally unsure how you came to that conclusion. Can you show me your working out? And the Welfare changes of 2013 has had a desperate impact on some of the poorest people. In 2010 the Tories tried to get the public to blame poor people for the economic problems. Most people have moved on from that. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 27, 2024 8:56:22 GMT
Charlie it's too much. The more benefits are paid, the more people become used to benefits. Honestly I cant believe some lefties call this government right wing, this so called nasty right wing Tory government have increased the benefits or social welfare bill more than any government in British political history which has created a soft and pampered class of young lefties who have no honour, no pride, to them, history is a complete anathema. Given that working age benefit rates have had multiple freezes since 2010, and yet are supposed to be the minimum amount to live on, when they are not increasing by inflation, I'm totally unsure how you came to that conclusion. Can you show me your working out? And the Welfare changes of 2013 has had a desperate impact on some of the poorest people. In 2010 the Tories tried to get the public to blame poor people for the economic problems. Most people have moved on from that. Andrew, I'm not a hard man. When when I was four years old and my brother was two years old dad died and in those days there were no social safety nets. Trust me I know what it's like to be poor but in those days we didn't whinge about it. Which is why every week I donate to a foodbank and I sometimes hand cash to people. And I think the benefits bill should be slashed. Benefits in the most desperate of circumstances yes of course. But £90k a year is ridiculous. The benefits bill has to be cut. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 27, 2024 9:56:30 GMT
Given that working age benefit rates have had multiple freezes since 2010, and yet are supposed to be the minimum amount to live on, when they are not increasing by inflation, I'm totally unsure how you came to that conclusion. Can you show me your working out? And the Welfare changes of 2013 has had a desperate impact on some of the poorest people. In 2010 the Tories tried to get the public to blame poor people for the economic problems. Most people have moved on from that. Andrew, I'm not a hard man. When when I was four years old and my brother was two years old dad died and in those days there were no social safety nets. Trust me I know what it's like to be poor but in those days we didn't whinge about it. Which is why every week I donate to a foodbank and I sometimes hand cash to people. And I think the benefits bill should be slashed. Benefits in the most desperate of circumstances yes of course. But £90k a year is ridiculous. The benefits bill has to be cut.Well, that's simple. Either introduce genuine price caps on some of the core essentials including private sector rents, or increase NMW, or increase the threshold at which Income Tax is paid. This puts more money in the hands of the "employed poor" thereby all but eradicating the In-Work-Benefits (IWBs). Part of the reason our benefits bill is so high is IWBs, and IWBs are in reality Corporate Welfare - they let businesses get away with paying less than the actual market value of the labour they employ. Because the market value of labour is not just about "profit margins" for the employer, it is also about "living costs" of the employee. Get a handle of living costs (caps on rents, and essential utilities), make it so that the lower Income Tax Threshold is the same as NMW x35 x52 (it makes no sense to say this is the minimum you need to live on, let us take some of that off you in tax, to later be topped up by increased taxes on other people, that we then have to pay to administer), put the full cost of Private Sector Labour on to the Private Sector, rather than having it subsidised by Taxpayer funded IWBs, do away with all the Tax Breaks we pay multinational giants (with £billions in profit every year) to employ people here and make them pay their own way. One of the reason there are so many people utterly reliant on benefits is NOT that benefits are too high, it is that too many jobs do not pay enough to cover the basic cost of living - so the government created Corporate Welfare in the form IWBs. Fix that, and the benefit bill starts to drop. Or we can do what the Tories do: cut Corporate Taxes, Cut Taxes for the Wealthy, then claim we need to cut our cloth according to our state tax revenues, and then blame the poor. Which makes most sense? All The Best |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 27, 2024 10:26:53 GMT
Well, that's simple. Either introduce genuine price caps on some of the core essentials including private sector rents... ...and essential utilities... No. Because you can't sell a product or service for less than it costs to provide. or increase the threshold at which Income Tax is paid... Yes. ...Part of the reason our benefits bill is so high is IWBs, and IWBs are in reality Corporate Welfare - they let businesses get away with paying less than the actual market value of the labour they employ... ...put the full cost of Private Sector Labour on to the Private Sector... Absolutely agree. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 27, 2024 10:42:12 GMT
Given that working age benefit rates have had multiple freezes since 2010, and yet are supposed to be the minimum amount to live on, when they are not increasing by inflation, I'm totally unsure how you came to that conclusion. Can you show me your working out? And the Welfare changes of 2013 has had a desperate impact on some of the poorest people. In 2010 the Tories tried to get the public to blame poor people for the economic problems. Most people have moved on from that. Andrew, I'm not a hard man. When when I was four years old and my brother was two years old dad died and in those days there were no social safety nets. Trust me I know what it's like to be poor but in those days we didn't whinge about it. Which is why every week I donate to a foodbank and I sometimes hand cash to people. And I think the benefits bill should be slashed. Benefits in the most desperate of circumstances yes of course. But £90k a year is ridiculous. The benefits bill has to be cut. So your working out is purely anecdotal then? 😶🌫️ "Newspaper" articles like this are designed to poke, with due respect, the bear like yourself. They are certainly not representative. I've indicated before that I work in benefits. Let me tell you, it's tough out there. Are there some lazy people that could do more? Yeah, of course, but there's very few long term unemployed (I think that we may have had this discussion before and pointed out that most of them are "unemployable") and they are certainly not responsible for the economic state of this country. Are you implying that the currently "minimum requirement to live on" is too high? If so, I'd politely disagree. Unemployment is actually low. We have a shortage of workers. PV makes a reallygood point regardingin work benefits. We do however have a lot of sick and disabled people. Improvements to NHS, particularly in mental health, would really help to minimise this. Blaming the sick and disabled isn't going to help. The government has spent the last 11 years introducing uc. A good idea in principle, but when the idea becomes about reducing entitlement, it's no surprise that it's still rolling out, migrating existing legacy claims, still has exemptions that don't fit because they're too complicated, and the migration of pension age cases has been postponed to the arse end of never, it's only ever to fail. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 27, 2024 11:07:38 GMT
Well, that's simple. Either introduce genuine price caps on some of the core essentials including private sector rents... ...and essential utilities... No. Because you can't sell a product or service for less than it costs to provide.or increase the threshold at which Income Tax is paid... Yes. ...Part of the reason our benefits bill is so high is IWBs, and IWBs are in reality Corporate Welfare - they let businesses get away with paying less than the actual market value of the labour they employ... ...put the full cost of Private Sector Labour on to the Private Sector... Absolutely agree. Re underlined and emboldened. But part of that cost is Labour, and Labour is subsidised by IWBs. So make it reciprocal: if they pay so low they they benefit from IWBs cap the price of what they are sellingl if they pay well enough they don't benefit from IWBs don't cap the price of what they are selling. All The Best |
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