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Post by Vinny on Nov 23, 2022 9:19:10 GMT
Well stop leasing NHS facilities to the private sector.
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 23, 2022 11:11:57 GMT
Actually… While those on Sunaks level of taxpayer funded health provision get private beds in private buildings, most private health insurance that covers you for delays over six weeks actually treats you in an NHS PAY BED The consultants are pretty brazen about it. They are happy to treat you in a private hospital for thousands of pounds a night or an NHS one for hundreds. I didn't know that. My daughter needed an operation on her foot. Several hundred pounds got her a consultation within the week with a surgeon who offered us the following options. We could have had the operation done at St Joseph’s at any day we chose, at a cost of well over ten grand. This is a private hospital originally opened by the Catholic Church but now bought out by BUPA/Spire. We could have the operation done by the same consultant within SIX WEEKS ABSOLUTELY FREE under the Welsh NHS at either The Royal Gwent or Nevill Hall NHS Hospitals, the money I paid was to get her seen by the consultant ahead of the thousands on the NHS waiting list. This is the normal way most affordable health insurance sim the UK work, pushing you to the top of the waiting list. In our case we actually had a third option. The Welsh NHS is such a train wreck ENGLISH NHS Trusts near the Welsh border have quite delIberately used money from prescription charges and car parking to subsidise the construction of day surgery and drop in minor injury units, there is one a few miles north of the M32 / M4 junction. These offer NHS surgical facilities for minor, non trauma procedures to any GP with a budget. The English NHS built one in Bristol and another near Chester to deliberately tout for business from Welsh NHS GP’s who would otherwise wait years for the patients on their practice to be seen, at huge additional cost in practice time and prescription funding while the condition deteriorates. We opted for Jennifer to have the surgery in the Bristol unit. It was scheduled and performed about three weeks after I paid the consultation fee, and everything other than that fee was covered by the NHS. This was before COVID. In my own case, after a seriously nasty throat infection required an emergency tonsillectomy I was offered - and accepted - one of the “pay beds” in the Royal Gwent. This was basically a bed in a small side room rather than the ward. It let me get some work done while I was waiting for the surgeon to do his thing. The cost was barely more than an overnight stay at the Holiday Inn. In fact, I didn’t get charged for the pre-op use of it because just after I came round after the op, and they wheeled me back they had a bit of a flap needing to find a space to put someone who needed a load of auxiliary gear, monitors etc and when I heard that I told the nurse to chuck me onto the ordinary ward and give the side room to this chap and all his extra gear.
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Post by jaydee on Nov 27, 2022 11:25:15 GMT
My daughter needed an operation on her foot. Several hundred pounds got her a consultation within the week with a surgeon who offered us the following options. We could have had the operation done at St Joseph’s at any day we chose, at a cost of well over ten grand. This is a private hospital originally opened by the Catholic Church but now bought out by BUPA/Spire. We could have the operation done by the same consultant within SIX WEEKS ABSOLUTELY FREE under the Welsh NHS at either The Royal Gwent or Nevill Hall NHS Hospitals, the money I paid was to get her seen by the consultant ahead of the thousands on the NHS waiting list. This is the normal way most affordable health insurance sim the UK work, pushing you to the top of the waiting list. In our case we actually had a third option. The Welsh NHS is such a train wreck ENGLISH NHS Trusts near the Welsh border have quite delIberately used money from prescription charges and car parking to subsidise the construction of day surgery and drop in minor injury units, there is one a few miles north of the M32 / M4 junction. These offer NHS surgical facilities for minor, non trauma procedures to any GP with a budget. The English NHS built one in Bristol and another near Chester to deliberately tout for business from Welsh NHS GP’s who would otherwise wait years for the patients on their practice to be seen, at huge additional cost in practice time and prescription funding while the condition deteriorates. We opted for Jennifer to have the surgery in the Bristol unit. It was scheduled and performed about three weeks after I paid the consultation fee, and everything other than that fee was covered by the NHS. This was before COVID. In my own case, after a seriously nasty throat infection required an emergency tonsillectomy I was offered - and accepted - one of the “pay beds” in the Royal Gwent. This was basically a bed in a small side room rather than the ward. It let me get some work done while I was waiting for the surgeon to do his thing. The cost was barely more than an overnight stay at the Holiday Inn. In fact, I didn’t get charged for the pre-op use of it because just after I came round after the op, and they wheeled me back they had a bit of a flap needing to find a space to put someone who needed a load of auxiliary gear, monitors etc and when I heard that I told the nurse to chuck me onto the ordinary ward and give the side room to this chap and all his extra gear. If you are from Wales. The NHS there, like Scotland is funded is under the Barnett Formula. That starts of with what the need for England is first. Then wales like Scotland is awarded the same under a population basis. That is it. If wales needs more money. Not a chance in hell. However if England needs more money it is granted right away. The devolved nations are granted the consequencials. Usually being screwed out of millions. The latest scam. After Truss trashed the economy the loss to the Scottish budget of its own money was £1.7 billion. The muppets in Westminster awarded Scotland £1.5 billion of its own money. Just another reason why Scotland can no longer afford bankrupt England. I am clueless on Welsh politics. So you will need to tell me the devolved award. Was Wales screwed as well.
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Post by borchester on Nov 27, 2022 12:50:18 GMT
My daughter needed an operation on her foot. Several hundred pounds got her a consultation within the week with a surgeon who offered us the following options. We could have had the operation done at St Joseph’s at any day we chose, at a cost of well over ten grand. This is a private hospital originally opened by the Catholic Church but now bought out by BUPA/Spire. We could have the operation done by the same consultant within SIX WEEKS ABSOLUTELY FREE under the Welsh NHS at either The Royal Gwent or Nevill Hall NHS Hospitals, the money I paid was to get her seen by the consultant ahead of the thousands on the NHS waiting list. This is the normal way most affordable health insurance sim the UK work, pushing you to the top of the waiting list. In our case we actually had a third option. The Welsh NHS is such a train wreck ENGLISH NHS Trusts near the Welsh border have quite delIberately used money from prescription charges and car parking to subsidise the construction of day surgery and drop in minor injury units, there is one a few miles north of the M32 / M4 junction. These offer NHS surgical facilities for minor, non trauma procedures to any GP with a budget. The English NHS built one in Bristol and another near Chester to deliberately tout for business from Welsh NHS GP’s who would otherwise wait years for the patients on their practice to be seen, at huge additional cost in practice time and prescription funding while the condition deteriorates. We opted for Jennifer to have the surgery in the Bristol unit. It was scheduled and performed about three weeks after I paid the consultation fee, and everything other than that fee was covered by the NHS. This was before COVID. In my own case, after a seriously nasty throat infection required an emergency tonsillectomy I was offered - and accepted - one of the “pay beds” in the Royal Gwent. This was basically a bed in a small side room rather than the ward. It let me get some work done while I was waiting for the surgeon to do his thing. The cost was barely more than an overnight stay at the Holiday Inn. In fact, I didn’t get charged for the pre-op use of it because just after I came round after the op, and they wheeled me back they had a bit of a flap needing to find a space to put someone who needed a load of auxiliary gear, monitors etc and when I heard that I told the nurse to chuck me onto the ordinary ward and give the side room to this chap and all his extra gear. If you are from Wales. The NHS there, like Scotland is funded is under the Barnett Formula. That starts of with what the need for England is first. Then wales like Scotland is awarded the same under a population basis. That is it. If wales needs more money. Not a chance in hell. However if England needs more money it is granted right away. The devolved nations are granted the consequencials. Usually being screwed out of millions. The latest scam. After Truss trashed the economy the loss to the Scottish budget of its own money was £1.7 billion. The muppets in Westminster awarded Scotland £1.5 billion of its own money. Just another reason why Scotland can no longer afford bankrupt England. I am clueless on Welsh politics. So you will need to tell me the devolved award. Was Wales screwed as well. The NHS Wales is, like the NHS Scotland, run by a bunch of fuckwits. When I have gotten sick in either I brought myself back to London where I got treatment as opposed to SNP propaganda or Plaid Cymru bollocks.
As John has said, the best medicine is a wedge of cash
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Post by thomas on Nov 27, 2022 12:56:31 GMT
If you are from Wales. The NHS there, like Scotland is funded is under the Barnett Formula. That starts of with what the need for England is first. Then wales like Scotland is awarded the same under a population basis. That is it. If wales needs more money. Not a chance in hell. However if England needs more money it is granted right away. The devolved nations are granted the consequencials. Usually being screwed out of millions. The latest scam. After Truss trashed the economy the loss to the Scottish budget of its own money was £1.7 billion. The muppets in Westminster awarded Scotland £1.5 billion of its own money. Just another reason why Scotland can no longer afford bankrupt England. I am clueless on Welsh politics. So you will need to tell me the devolved award. Was Wales screwed as well. The NHS Wales is, like the NHS Scotland, run by a bunch of fuckwits. When I have gotten sick in either I brought myself back to London where I got treatment as opposed to SNP propaganda or Plaid Cymru bollocks. NHS medic: ‘I’d choose treatment in Scotland over England any day of the week’
ExclusiveDr Daniel Goyal, who has worked in both nations, said the health service was “past breaking point”, but the Scottish Government had clearer priorities while UK ministers had abandoned patients
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Post by jaydee on Nov 27, 2022 13:09:57 GMT
The NHS Wales is, like the NHS Scotland, run by a bunch of fuckwits. When I have gotten sick in either I brought myself back to London where I got treatment as opposed to SNP propaganda or Plaid Cymru bollocks.
As John has said, the best medicine is a wedge of cash
Now speaking of fuckwits. I take it you are not going to correct this. Was your glazed eyes corrected as a bonus as well. 945,072 people waited more than 12 hours in England A&E departments in 2021-22. That’s 48 times larger than the figure for Scotland 19,667, Scottish nurse average pay is £36,631 in England £33,384.I await with bated breath. What was that about fuckwits
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 27, 2022 18:10:59 GMT
The NHS Wales is, like the NHS Scotland, run by a bunch of fuckwits. When I have gotten sick in either I brought myself back to London where I got treatment as opposed to SNP propaganda or Plaid Cymru bollocks. NHS medic: ‘I’d choose treatment in Scotland over England any day of the week’
ExclusiveDr Daniel Goyal, who has worked in both nations, said the health service was “past breaking point”, but the Scottish Government had clearer priorities while UK ministers had abandoned patients
I wouldn't expect a well known Labour Party supporter and activist to have much good to say about the NHS under the Tories..
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Post by borchester on Nov 27, 2022 19:12:40 GMT
The NHS Wales is, like the NHS Scotland, run by a bunch of fuckwits. When I have gotten sick in either I brought myself back to London where I got treatment as opposed to SNP propaganda or Plaid Cymru bollocks.
As John has said, the best medicine is a wedge of cash
Now speaking of fuckwits. I take it you are not going to correct this. Was your glazed eyes corrected as a bonus as well. 945,072 people waited more than 12 hours in England A&E departments in 2021-22. That’s 48 times larger than the figure for Scotland 19,667, Scottish nurse average pay is £36,631 in England £33,384.I await with bated breath. What was that about fuckwits It is a comment on the standard of care in Scotch Hospitals. Most Scots take their chances and stay away.
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Post by jaydee on Nov 27, 2022 20:20:18 GMT
Now speaking of fuckwits. I take it you are not going to correct this. Was your glazed eyes corrected as a bonus as well. 945,072 people waited more than 12 hours in England A&E departments in 2021-22. That’s 48 times larger than the figure for Scotland 19,667, Scottish nurse average pay is £36,631 in England £33,384.I await with bated breath. What was that about fuckwits It is a comment on the standard of care in Scotch Hospitals. Most Scots take their chances and stay away. Ah botchy. The one line wonder. Your bravo sierra is priceless. In another idiotic attempt to lie or move the goal posts. Now how would you know about the standard in a Scotch hospital. Te he Scotch. And what is your figures that most Scotch stay away Scotch te he it is so funny. As the standard of care in English hospitals are appalling. As many had to be taken into trust. The Tory's having decimated the NHS in England since 2010 It is the result of the £300 billion debt on the PFI on English NHS Trusts in bankrupt England. That on its own is more than the entire gold reserves held by the bank of England, England is home to 84% of the UK population, but there’s only 71% of the total number of hospitals.. As the buffoon Johnston promised 45 new hospitals. What was that about fuck wits in a previous posts. www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/appalling-standards-care-hospital-trust-2794442www.kuwaittimes.com/shocking-uk-report-links-poor-care-to-death-of-45-babies/www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/05/tories-nhs-crisis-sajid-javid-targets
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Post by thomas on Nov 28, 2022 7:38:08 GMT
NHS medic: ‘I’d choose treatment in Scotland over England any day of the week’
ExclusiveDr Daniel Goyal, who has worked in both nations, said the health service was “past breaking point”, but the Scottish Government had clearer priorities while UK ministers had abandoned patients
I wouldn't expect a well known Labour Party supporter and activist to have much good to say about the NHS under the Tories.. cheers pacifico. I didnt know that , but to be fair , a labour party supporter and activist shouldnt have much good to say about the snp run nhs either , yet he says its better than the tory one.
Its laughable though when you consider labour run wales is the worst out the three...
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 28, 2022 7:52:58 GMT
I wouldn't expect a well known Labour Party supporter and activist to have much good to say about the NHS under the Tories.. cheers pacifico. I didnt know that , but to be fair , a labour party supporter and activist shouldnt have much good to say about the snp run nhs either , yet he says its better than the tory one.
Its laughable though when you consider labour run wales is the worst out the three...
Well he works for the Scottish NHS so I doubt he is that interested in biting the hand that feeds him. The NHS is crap in all areas - you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
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Post by thomas on Nov 28, 2022 8:01:17 GMT
cheers pacifico. I didnt know that , but to be fair , a labour party supporter and activist shouldnt have much good to say about the snp run nhs either , yet he says its better than the tory one.
Its laughable though when you consider labour run wales is the worst out the three...
Well he works for the Scottish NHS so I doubt he is that interested in biting the hand that feeds him. The NHS is crap in all areas - you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Not really pacifico. Labour in scotland , irrespective of what they do and who they work for , are more inclined to support the tories , go into partnership with them against the snp at council level , and have a visceral hatred of the snp at every level.
So it is surprising a labour activist would bum up the scottish nhs compared to englands.
Whatever the faults of the various nhs services across this disunited kingdom , many of the problems as we know are a result of labours last foray into government. We are still paying labours pfi debt in scotland , as im sure you are in england , and as i keep saying , why isnt the labour run welsh nhs head and shoulders above the rest if labour know what they are doing with health services?
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 28, 2022 8:38:03 GMT
Well he works for the Scottish NHS so I doubt he is that interested in biting the hand that feeds him. The NHS is crap in all areas - you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Not really pacifico. Labour in scotland , irrespective of what they do and who they work for , are more inclined to support the tories , go into partnership with them against the snp at council level , and have a visceral hatred of the snp at every level.
So it is surprising a labour activist would bum up the scottish nhs compared to englands.
Whatever the faults of the various nhs services across this disunited kingdom , many of the problems as we know are a result of labours last foray into government. We are still paying labours pfi debt in scotland , as im sure you are in england , and as i keep saying , why isnt the labour run welsh nhs head and shoulders above the rest if labour know what they are doing with health services?
Well if Labour cannot make the NHS work, the Tories cannot make the NHS work and the SNP cannot make the NHS work it kinda indicates there is a problem with the basic model.. I totally agree with your point about PFI - a disastrous way of trying to hide increased public spending.
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Post by thomas on Nov 28, 2022 8:42:58 GMT
Not really pacifico. Labour in scotland , irrespective of what they do and who they work for , are more inclined to support the tories , go into partnership with them against the snp at council level , and have a visceral hatred of the snp at every level.
So it is surprising a labour activist would bum up the scottish nhs compared to englands.
Whatever the faults of the various nhs services across this disunited kingdom , many of the problems as we know are a result of labours last foray into government. We are still paying labours pfi debt in scotland , as im sure you are in england , and as i keep saying , why isnt the labour run welsh nhs head and shoulders above the rest if labour know what they are doing with health services?
I totally agree with your point about PFI - a disastrous way of trying to hide increased public spending. and extremely devious of labour. Dont forget much of the figures didnt show up on brown and blairs books , as the payments were kicked into the long grass for future governments to pay . Good way of labour avoiding the old tax and spend label , but as ever with that party someone somewhere has to foot the bill for their profligacy.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 28, 2022 10:39:35 GMT
Bit rich to criticise Labour's profligate spending when the SNPee are just as bad for that and would be worse if they ever got their separatist goal realised.
Thankfully, reserved power, the National Parliament in The House of Commons has the powers to call referendums, not the regional government in Holyrood.
No new referendum until 2034 at the earliest.
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