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Post by piglet on Mar 23, 2024 11:38:19 GMT
Anyone experienced in the above?, ive got a few quid not doing anything and am contemplating investing in stocks and shares, that over time will generate passive income. There are a few websites that do it, any guidance or knowledge will be appreciated. Off the top of my head, nuclear energy seems a good bet, as is water, ammo, or arms to you and me, and the basics, food etc, things that never lose importance. Speculative investments are possible, like fracking, or a better mouse trap. Oh thats been done, i have a trap that doesnt kill the mouse.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 23, 2024 11:47:49 GMT
Passive tracker funds are generally best if you want to invest long term - if you are looking for a quick buck then speculating on Bitcoin will probably be better.
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Post by piglet on Mar 23, 2024 11:55:26 GMT
Thanks.
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 23, 2024 13:43:24 GMT
Shares are long term investments because you can never tell what's going to happen. Basically if there's a bull market (a rising market) then shares will do better than cash or bonds. I invested a lot during '90s when there was very long bull market and you basically couldn't go wrong. I made a lot of money. However that bull market came to an end with the tech crash of 2000. The FTSE had hit a peak of about 7000 but over the next few years it did a slow motion crash ending up at about 3000. It's now about 7,500 so you can see that from 2000 to 2024 have been lean years for shares. It's been very hard to make any money.
I've moved nearly all my money out of shares in favour of cash or bonds - less risk. I don't see much point in investing in UK shares in the foreseeable future. Our country is in such a mess - low productivity etc - that you won't make any money except if you're lucky. Stick to fixed rate interest bonds IMO. You won't get rich but you'll protect the value of your cash.
And I wouldn't touch bitcoin with a barge pole. They're not an investment - they're an asset class. And they're highly volatile and unregulated.
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Post by bancroft on Mar 23, 2024 14:20:40 GMT
Shares are long term investments because you can never tell what's going to happen. Basically if there's a bull market (a rising market) then shares will do better than cash or bonds. I invested a lot during '90s when there was very long bull market and you basically couldn't go wrong. I made a lot of money. However that bull market came to an end with the tech crash of 2000. The FTSE had hit a peak of about 7000 but over the next few years it did a slow motion crash ending up at about 3000. It's now about 7,500 so you can see that from 2000 to 2024 have been lean years for shares. It's been very hard to make any money. I've moved nearly all my money out of shares in favour of cash or bonds - less risk. I don't see much point in investing in UK shares in the foreseeable future. Our country is in such a mess - low productivity etc - that you won't make any money except if you're lucky. Stick to fixed rate interest bonds IMO. You won't get rich but you'll protect the value of your cash. And I wouldn't touch bitcoin with a barge pole. They're not an investment - they're an asset class. And they're highly volatile and unregulated. How do bonds fare if a lot of loans go bad, would that not impact bonds in general? I get your point about shares, see Japan has stopped its carry trade a few days back, one of the things that added to the Banking Crisis in 2008 when they last did this. Means normally traders can borrow for nothing in Yen and the invest for profits. Without this traders get nervous. There has been speculation for a while about dodgy loans for car purchases especially in the US. Ukraine war on top of COV-iD is a kick in the teeth for most economies.
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Post by Ripley on Mar 23, 2024 14:21:07 GMT
I wouldn't touch bitcoin with a barge pole either. AI stocks are doing well, though.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 23, 2024 14:36:35 GMT
Anyone experienced in the above?, ive got a few quid not doing anything and am contemplating investing in stocks and shares, that over time will generate passive income. There are a few websites that do it, any guidance or knowledge will be appreciated. Off the top of my head, nuclear energy seems a good bet, as is water, ammo, or arms to you and me, and the basics, food etc, things that never lose importance. Speculative investments are possible, like fracking, or a better mouse trap. Oh thats been done, i have a trap that doesnt kill the mouse. Have a look at Vanguard's FTSE U.K. Equity Income Index Fund.
It's a passive fund weighted towards the best dividend payers in the FTSE All Share Index.
I have a six figure sum invested in it and over the last 5 years it's returned way more than I would have received in interest on cash.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 23, 2024 16:10:47 GMT
Anyone experienced in the above?, ive got a few quid not doing anything and am contemplating investing in stocks and shares, that over time will generate passive income. There are a few websites that do it, any guidance or knowledge will be appreciated. Off the top of my head, nuclear energy seems a good bet, as is water, ammo, or arms to you and me, and the basics, food etc, things that never lose importance. Speculative investments are possible, like fracking, or a better mouse trap. Oh thats been done, i have a trap that doesnt kill the mouse. I haven't dabbled in stocks and shares personally, but my parents used to do 'penny stocks', and they did quite well if memory serves.
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Post by piglet on Mar 24, 2024 10:31:51 GMT
Thanks for the advice. I dabbled a bit in younger years, the index was 2,200, is it really 7,500. blimey.
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 24, 2024 12:57:03 GMT
Shares are long term investments because you can never tell what's going to happen. Basically if there's a bull market (a rising market) then shares will do better than cash or bonds. I invested a lot during '90s when there was very long bull market and you basically couldn't go wrong. I made a lot of money. However that bull market came to an end with the tech crash of 2000. The FTSE had hit a peak of about 7000 but over the next few years it did a slow motion crash ending up at about 3000. It's now about 7,500 so you can see that from 2000 to 2024 have been lean years for shares. It's been very hard to make any money. I've moved nearly all my money out of shares in favour of cash or bonds - less risk. I don't see much point in investing in UK shares in the foreseeable future. Our country is in such a mess - low productivity etc - that you won't make any money except if you're lucky. Stick to fixed rate interest bonds IMO. You won't get rich but you'll protect the value of your cash. And I wouldn't touch bitcoin with a barge pole. They're not an investment - they're an asset class. And they're highly volatile and unregulated. How do bonds fare if a lot of loans go bad, would that not impact bonds in general? I was thinking of fixed rate bonds like those marketed by banks and building societies where you get a defined interest rate for a defined term (and you can get the money out before term by paying a penalty). With the prospect of rates going down in the near future it might be time to buy one of these (you can get about 5%) for 2 or 3 years. Government bonds have recently bombed because interest rates have risen sharply, so the underlying value of the bonds has crashed - unless held to maturity. The other thing I'd recommend is Premium Bonds. Dead safe and they deliver 4.4% (tax free) - and cash them in whenever you like. I have £50k (the max) in them and I get about £200 in prizes every month. Also there's the slight possibility of winning a million. I've also got quite a lot in NSI Index Linked (sadly no longer available). For the past few years I've been getting 10% tax free which is brilliant. That beats the stock market. I steer clear of stock market investments nowadays because I reckon it's very hard to make money in a flat market - especially when there are so many hedge funds that can buy and sell shares in a fraction of second.
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Post by bancroft on Mar 24, 2024 13:07:01 GMT
I was thinking of fixed rate bonds like those marketed by banks and building societies where you get a defined interest rate for a defined term (and you can get the money out before term by paying a penalty). With the prospect of rates going down in the near future it might be time to buy one of these (you can get about 5%) for 2 or 3 years. Government bonds have recently bombed because interest rates have risen sharply, so the underlying value of the bonds has crashed - unless held to maturity. The other thing I'd recommend is Premium Bonds. Dead safe and they deliver 4.4% (tax free) - and cash them in whenever you like. I have £50k (the max) in them and I get about £200 in prizes every month. Also there's the slight possibility of winning a million. I've also got quite a lot in NSI Index Linked (sadly no longer available). For the past few years I've been getting 10% tax free which is brilliant. That beats the stock market. I steer clear of stock market investments nowadays because I reckon it's very hard to make money in a flat market - especially when there are so many hedge funds that can buy and sell shares in a fraction of second. Yep that makes sense though maybe not so much moving within a defined pension scheme as they often use Corporate Bonds I believe.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 24, 2024 23:59:02 GMT
Anyone experienced in the above?, ive got a few quid not doing anything and am contemplating investing in stocks and shares, that over time will generate passive income. There are a few websites that do it, any guidance or knowledge will be appreciated. Off the top of my head, nuclear energy seems a good bet, as is water, ammo, or arms to you and me, and the basics, food etc, things that never lose importance. Speculative investments are possible, like fracking, or a better mouse trap. Oh thats been done, i have a trap that doesnt kill the mouse. Two things to consider. Only invest in an industry you know a lot about. The other is look for cases where most of the dumb public think one thing, but because you know better, you can safely punt the other way. Times where there is big discontinuity are good opportunities. For example the BP oil disaster say, the press go apeshit crazy so people sold tons of shares. You needed to know if they could cap the well. If you were an oil engineer you would know. In that case you would buy tons of shares at the grimiest hour and gear your investments up many times and wait. If you don't know anything about anything and played the market the odds would run agaisnt you and you would get fleeced because the pros play the same game. The trouble is as a small investor you have to do a lot of research. The pros benefit from economy of scale. This is always a problem for small investors, like you are at a handicap because the costs of making the punt outweigh potential returns. People who do well in investing spend their life studying it.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 25, 2024 0:08:07 GMT
I wouldn't touch bitcoin with a barge pole either. AI stocks are doing well, though. The thing is with all of this is once they are seen to be doing well the price is already factored in. You really need to know about the next big thing. That is just so tricky cos if you knew the next big thing then you would be the inventor of it!
By the way. A little trick you can employ is a "side channel attack". This is to extract information that is hidden from you. Ask the man who delivers pizzas to the pentagon how many he sells after 10pm and you can accurately predict major military action.
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 25, 2024 7:53:52 GMT
If I were a hedge fund manager I'd be shorting Tesla. It's blindingly obvious that the business model of Tesla (i.e. making a profit by selling carbon credits to traditional car manufacturers) is going to go bust. It just seems to be taking a long time. It's like the road-runner after it's run over a cliff.
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 25, 2024 9:11:47 GMT
If I were a hedge fund manager I'd be shorting Tesla. It's blindingly obvious that the business model of Tesla (i.e. making a profit by selling carbon credits to traditional car manufacturers) is going to go bust. It just seems to be taking a long time. It's like the road-runner after it's run over a cliff.
Tesla's revenues in FY23 were $97 billion (up $15 billion on 2022), of which $1.8 billion were revenues from sales of regulatory credits (1.8%)
Net operating income was $15 billion.
Please explain how $1.8 billion in sales of regulatory credits can result in $15 billion net income.
You can review Tesla's 10K here
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