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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2022 14:22:07 GMT
So. The UK is the only one in the G7 that has not reached pre-pandemic levels. And Brexit is to blame. "Surely, that's not true! Can't be! We just have to maximise opportunities presented by BJ's Brexit. And don't forget -- new-found freedoms!"  Swiss style, eh? Hardline Brexiters voice fears over reports of Swiss-style EU deal
A backlash is brewing among hardline Brexiters after reports emerged that senior UK government figures want the country to adopt a Swiss-style agreement with the European Union.
Steve Barclay, the UK health secretary, rubbished the suggestion that has already sent jitters through leading Conserviatives on the European Research Group (ERG).
He insisted the government wanted to “maximise the opportunities” of leaving the EU and added that as a former Brexit secretary, he had “worked very hard to maximise” the freedoms of independence.
It comes amid a renewed focus on the effects of Brexit, given the UK is the only G7 country still lagging behind pre-pandemic growth levels and a suggestion by the chancellor, Jeremy Hunt, that removing trade barriers would boost growth.
The Sunday Times reported that senior government figures were effectively revisiting a Brexit trading arrangement offered by the EU last year, which would get rid of 80% of the checks between Great Britain and Northern Ireland and open up access to the single market.
But the move would require the UK to pledge alignment, at least temporarily, on food and agriculture standards. Doing so would be anathema to champions of a hard Brexit, including Boris Johnson’s former chief negotiator, Lord Frost, as well as members of the hardline ERG.
www.msn.com/en-gb/health/other/hardline-brexiters-voice-fears-over-reports-of-swiss-style-eu-deal/ar-AA14k32g?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0c18c844fb3d4c75bf793c4bf8ebaa85 |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 20, 2022 17:03:28 GMT
Apologies gnome, I appear to have started the same thread on the Westminster forum after you posted this. Bad form on my part, I did check but didn't see it.
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Post by bancroft on Nov 20, 2022 17:11:48 GMT
I would certainly expect some to hanker after a better deal with the Eu to take more advantage of the market on our doorstep though at what cost to the rest of us?
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 21, 2022 7:34:34 GMT
There are a few problems with trying to adopt the Swiss style agreement. Firstly it's not on offer by the EU - they don't like it and are almost permanently trying to bully Switzerland into changing it. And Switzerland's bilateral deals took over 6 years to negotiate.
Secondly if the problem we're trying to solve is "friction" in trade it will NOT solve it. The friction is because we've left the Single Market and now trade as a "third party country". But so does Switzerland, who's also not in the Single Market and trades as a third party.
This is all like a time warp where we go back to 2016 and start going over all the old arguments where no one has a clue what they're talking about. WHat's basically happening is the "Revenge of the Remoaners". All the fuss about Boris was to remove him so that they could install their own PM and chancellor (not voted for by the people but by MPs who are 75% remain). That's been achieved, completely illegitimately. They now want to reverse Brexit. But it wouldn't be a Swiss style agreement - it would be effectively BRINO where we join the SM and basically become a colony of the EU with no voting rights but paying budgetary contributions. I said this would happen if Boris was ousted.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 17:40:12 GMT
The Swiss model is very attractive in the way that it allows Switzerland to be in the Single Market albeit in a limited, bespoke, sectoral way. Clearly, the Swiss somehow managed to define and to get the EU to agree to what the limits or restrictions are back in the 90s -- which goods are traded in the Single Market; the extent of restrictions on freedom of movement of people; the amount to be paid into the EU budget; which EU rules/trade laws to follow. All of which the EU hate. The EU, apparently, have long wanted to get rid of the Swiss model and to move Switzerland to a more "normal", standard deal. But the EU being the EU can only grin and bear it since they signed the dang bilateral deals!  I don't think the UK will manage to get a Swiss-style renegotiated agreement based on that. Plus, the UK has to a mountain to climb to regain the trust of the EU. I don't think we like mountain climbing. Then there's that dreaded Freedom of Movement of People which will always be a deal breaker no matter how restricted it is. And what about the horrors of following EU trading rules? The Brits are not as pragmatic as the Swiss in this regard. And we don't know the meaning of the word realpolitik. It's far too European a term for us to really get it. So, it's not going to happen. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 21, 2022 17:47:17 GMT
So, it's not going to happen. so why did you start a thread about it? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 17:58:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 20:21:02 GMT
so why did you start a thread about it? To point out that there is or there might be a shift away from your damaging brand of Brexit. To see the reaction and get the thoughts of the cultist faction of Brexit Support Group. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 21, 2022 21:16:58 GMT
I suppose there's a bit of disappointment from resident Europhiles on here with NEWS the UK isn't looking to subjugate itself to the EU.
They'll also probably be disappointed they can't wind any Brexiteer up over that now too.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 21, 2022 22:32:04 GMT
To point out that there is or there might be a shift away from your damaging brand of Brexit. To see the reaction and get the thoughts of the cultist faction of Brexit Support Group. why are you unable to use the quote function correctly? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 22:33:02 GMT
It's always good to see Brexiteers mellow out a bit and try to inject a bit of realism into their aspirations.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 22:36:51 GMT
why are you unable to use the quote function correctly? You're gagging to show case your natural talent for using the quote function correctly. Go on then, show me how. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 21, 2022 22:38:13 GMT
why are you unable to use the quote function correctly? You're gagging to show case your natural talent for using the quote function correctly. Go on then, show me how. I thought it quite simple but as you seem to be having issues is there anything I can do to help? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 22:45:32 GMT
You're gagging to show case your natural talent for using the quote function correctly. Go on then, show me how. I thought it quite simple but as you seem to be having issues is there anything I can do to help? You're the one who said I'm not using the quote function correctly. So, I said "Go on then, show me how." Now, you're asking me if there is anything you can do to help?! LOL!! Well. I suppose you can sort your head out first and then you can show me how to use the quote function correctly. How's that? |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 21, 2022 22:53:16 GMT
I thought it quite simple but as you seem to be having issues is there anything I can do to help? You're the one who said I'm not using the quote function correctly. So, I said "Go on then, show me how." Now, you're asking me if there is anything you can do to help?! LOL!! Well. I suppose you can sort your head out first and then you can show me how to use the quote function correctly. How's that? well theres a button on the top right hand of the post that you push and you then write your comment in the area under the text box - why are you having problems with this system? |
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