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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 23:19:58 GMT
You're the one who said I'm not using the quote function correctly. So, I said "Go on then, show me how." Now, you're asking me if there is anything you can do to help?! LOL!! Well. I suppose you can sort your head out first and then you can show me how to use the quote function correctly. How's that? well theres a button on the top right hand of the post that you push and you then write your comment in the area under the text box - why are you having problems with this system? I don't have problems with this system.
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 23, 2022 8:33:08 GMT
There's no point in continuing to write Bollocks gnome. Switzerland trades as a "third party country" just like we do. All their goods are subject to the same checks as ours. It's just that the EU has no reason to punish Switzerland - they haven't left the EU.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2022 12:02:37 GMT
There's no point in continuing to write Bollocks gnome. Switzerland trades as a "third party country" just like we do. All their goods are subject to the same checks as ours. It's just that the EU has no reason to punish Switzerland - they haven't left the EU. I know you don't want to believe it but no matter how how much you deny it to yourself and no matter how many times you tell yourself it isn't so? -- Switzerland is part of the Single Market. Sorry. Here, from an official website of the European Union -- read it and weep some more: Switzerland's economic and trade relations with the EU are mainly governed by a series of bilateral agreements where Switzerland has agreed to take over certain aspects of EU legislation in exchange for accessing part of the EU's single market. The cornerstone of EU-Swiss relations is the Free Trade Agreement of 1972. In 1999 seven sectoral agreements were signed, known as ‘Bilaterals I’. They cover free movement of persons technical trade barriers public procurement agriculture air and land transport research. A further set of sectoral agreements signed in 2004 (‘Bilaterals II’) covers processed agricultural products statistics combating fraud. There are more than 100 bilateral agreements between the EU and Switzerland, managed by over 20 joint committees. The agreements oblige Switzerland to take over relevant EU legislation in the sectors covered. In return for its partial integration in the EU's single market, Switzerland pays a financial contribution to economic and social cohesion in the EU Member States that joined after 2004.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2022 13:00:44 GMT
There's no point in continuing to write Bollocks gnome. Switzerland trades as a "third party country" just like we do. All their goods are subject to the same checks as ours. It's just that the EU has no reason to punish Switzerland - they haven't left the EU. Switzerland pays for the privilege and follows the ECJ in some cases.
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 28, 2022 8:27:29 GMT
Switzerland has bespoke agreements with the EU on various things which is what I said in my original post, way back. But they're "bespoke" agreements. They are not in the SM and they don't follow the rules on free movement that is part of the SM. They have their own agreement about "free movement" which allows them, for example, to invoke safeguard clauses and demand residency permits. Switzerland pays for their "Free trade" - which is a strange definition of "free" IMO - but it's a fraction of what the EU charge for membership of the SM. And it's not a "budgetary contribution". They call it some other bollocks "cohesion" payments or something.
But the point is that Switzerland does NOT follow all the EU's rules - even their product rules (except where they have an agreement) - so they potentially have goods in their country that are not EU compliant, which is why they're a third party country. So their goods should be checked at borders just like ours are. But they're not.
Keep googling irrelevancies gnome.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2022 12:04:05 GMT
Switzerland has bespoke agreements with the EU on various things which is what I said in my original post, way back. But they're "bespoke" agreements. They are not in the SM and they don't follow the rules on free movement that is part of the SM. They have their own agreement about "free movement" which allows them, for example, to invoke safeguard clauses and demand residency permits. Switzerland pays for their "Free trade" - which is a strange definition of "free" IMO - but it's a fraction of what the EU charge for membership of the SM. And it's not a "budgetary contribution". They call it some other bollocks "cohesion" payments or something. But the point is that Switzerland does NOT follow all the EU's rules - even their product rules (except where they have an agreement) - so they potentially have goods in their country that are not EU compliant, which is why they're a third party country. So their goods should be checked at borders just like ours are. But they're not. Keep googling irrelevancies gnome. Stop tailoring facts to suit your delusions, Wolf. It does not work. It will never work. You only end up embarrassing yourself -- every single time. Your positioning is completely the wrong way around. Switzerland's bespoke agreements do not put them outside the Single Market. On the contrary, Switzerland's bespoke agreements put them inside the Single Market. Here's the reality: A country can be in the SM via EU membership or bilateral agreements. Spain is in it via its EU membership. Switzerland is in it via its bilateral agreements. Bilateral agreements can be bespoke or standard. Switzerland managed to negotiate bespoke agreements. Those bespoke agreements allow it to be in the Single Market partially. Partially, hence, not all goods are included; freedom of movement of people is restricted; a reduced contribution to EU budget and projects; not all EU laws are adopted. The EU dislike the Swiss model and wants to change it from bespoke to standard -- because that model seems to favour Switzerland more than the EU. The Swiss out negotiated, out witted the EU back in the 90s. So, fat chance the EU will offer the UK the same model. In any case, the reality is Switzerland is part of the Single Market. The EU says so. Switzerland says so. Nobody denies it. Everybody knows it. Everybody accepts it. Except you.
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 28, 2022 14:16:02 GMT
gnome said: "Here's the reality: A country can be in the SM via EU membership or bilateral agreements. Spain is in it via its EU membership. Switzerland is in it via its bilateral agreements."
Sorry but you're a total idiot. If you're in the SM you don't need bilateral trade deals. Surely that's obvious even to an idiot like you.
Until you actually learn something about the structure of the EU you're wasting your time trying to google irrelevant nonsense. Google does require a certain amount of understanding or you're wasting everyone's time. Bye bye.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2022 15:51:27 GMT
gnome said: "Here's the reality: A country can be in the SM via EU membership or bilateral agreements. Spain is in it via its EU membership. Switzerland is in it via its bilateral agreements." Sorry but you're a total idiot. If you're in the SM you don't need bilateral trade deals. Surely that's obvious even to an idiot like you. Until you actually learn something about the structure of the EU you're wasting your time trying to google irrelevant nonsense. Google does require a certain amount of understanding or you're wasting everyone's time. Bye bye. If you're not an EU country and you want to be in the Single Market -- whether full or partial -- you need to have bilateral deals with the EU. That is the only way you can gain entry into the Single Market. That's how Switzerland did it. And don't start with this stupid idea of yours that Switzerland is not in the Single Market. It is in the Single Market. End of. The trouble with you is that you are so limited, you don't realise it. You know very little but you have convinced yourself that what little you know is enough. Well, it is isn't. Sorry. I mean, you insist that Switzerland is not in the Single Market. But according to the EU website itself, it is in the Single Market. Yet you seriously expect people to believe you rather than what the EU and Switzerland say.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 28, 2022 17:02:35 GMT
Switzerland, as Steppenwolf has said, is in a bilateral arrangement, not the Single Market, if it had wanted full Single Market membership.
The other EFTA countries are in the EEA, the EEA is in the Single Market.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2022 19:58:54 GMT
Switzerland, as Steppenwolf has said, is in a bilateral arrangement, not the Single Market, if it had wanted full Single Market membership. The other EFTA countries are in the EEA, the EEA is in the Single Market. The claim that Switzerland "is in a bilateral arrangement and not in the Single Market" is nonsense. Sorry. First, Switzerland has more than one bilateral arrangement. Second, every bilateral arrangement's one aim and purpose is for Switzerland to gain sectoral entry into the Single Market without joining the European Union and for the European Union to give Switzerland sectoral entry into its Single Market. The EU Single Market itself is an entity. It is not an agreement. You try to gain entry into the Single Market by means of agreements if you are not an EU member country. And that's what Switzerland has done. Here, from a quick google search: The European single market, internal market or common market is a single market comprising the 27 member states of the European Union (EU) as well as – with certain exceptions – Iceland, Liechtenstein, and Norway through the Agreement on the European Economic Area, and Switzerland through sectoral treaties.
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Post by see2 on Nov 28, 2022 22:59:09 GMT
Freedom of movement is allowed in Switzerland. __"Most EU/EFTA citizens – and their relatives or partners – can live and work in Switzerland without restrictions, but need to obtain a residence permit. Can EU citizens live and work in Switzerland? Citizens of countries from the European Union (EU) or European Free trade Association (EFTA) (EU countries plus Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, and Switzerland) have the right to visit, live and work in Switzerland, although some restrictions apply for newer EU members and all EU/EFTA need a residence permit for longer stays. Different conditions apply for non-EU/EFTA citizens."__ www.expatica.com/ch/moving/visas/switzerland-visas-for-eu-citizens-443220/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2022 23:17:52 GMT
And from the website of the Swiss State Secretariat for Migration:
On 21 June 1999, the European Union (EU) and Switzerland signed the Agreement on the Free Movement of Persons (AFMP). The AFMP lifts restrictions on EU citizens wishing to live or work in Switzerland. The right of free movement is complemented by the mutual recognition of professional qualifications, by the right to buy property, and by the coordination of social insurance systems. The same rules also apply to citizens of EFTA member states.
The AFMP came into force in 1 June 2002. Each time the EU is enlarged, the agreement is extended to include the new member states by means of an additional protocol.
Croatia joined the EU on 1 July 2013. The extension of the AFMP to Croatia was negotiated in Protocol III. On 1 January 2017, the AFMP was extended to Croatia.
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