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Post by piglet on Mar 21, 2024 12:16:35 GMT
Most people read this so im putting it here.
I wasnt going to vote, but i am now, im voting reform. Lets make it a landslide and get the losers out, red or blue, objectively this is the only choice. My fear is that all that they say is hot air....once the global elite get to them.
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Post by Dogburger on Mar 21, 2024 13:32:05 GMT
Most people read this so im putting it here. I wasnt going to vote, but i am now, im voting reform. Lets make it a landslide and get the losers out, red or blue, objectively this is the only choice. My fear is that all that they say is hot air....once the global elite get to them. They wont get elected so its a safe protest vote . They will probably need another one maybe two governments before they are a threat to the main parties . But as we saw with UKIP the threat can be enough to force change so it's not a wasted vote . I will be doing likewise . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 21, 2024 13:47:18 GMT
Most people read this so im putting it here. I wasnt going to vote, but i am now, im voting reform. Lets make it a landslide and get the losers out, red or blue, objectively this is the only choice. My fear is that all that they say is hot air....once the global elite get to them. I hope Reform do receive a huge vote, it will act as warning shot across the bows of both Labour and the Tories that we have had enough of the status-quo. We have had enough of the majority being ignored, we have had enough of: Immigration legal and illegal Being forced into energy poverty The war on the motorist Minority appeasement Woke/diversity/political correctness Gender nonsense The majority of people want to get back to common sense policies that benefit the majority, not the minority. And we're never going to get that from Labour or the current conservatives. So I agree, vote Reform UK. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 21, 2024 13:51:11 GMT
Most people read this so im putting it here. I wasnt going to vote, but i am now, im voting reform. Lets make it a landslide and get the losers out, red or blue, objectively this is the only choice. My fear is that all that they say is hot air....once the global elite get to them. They wont get elected so its a safe protest vote . They will probably need another one maybe two governments before they are a threat to the main parties . But as we saw with UKIP the threat can be enough to force change so it's not a wasted vote . I will be doing likewise . I think if Reform do get a good turnout and I think they will, it will act as a wake up call for the Tories who will, in my opinion, return to a proper centre right Conservative party for the 2029 election. They know they have to. |
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Post by Dogburger on Mar 21, 2024 14:03:04 GMT
They wont get elected so its a safe protest vote . They will probably need another one maybe two governments before they are a threat to the main parties . But as we saw with UKIP the threat can be enough to force change so it's not a wasted vote . I will be doing likewise . I think if Reform do get a good turnout and I think they will, it will act as a wake up call for the Tories who will, in my opinion, return to a proper centre right Conservative party for the 2029 election. They know they have to. Trouble is a centre right party won't put right the wrongs of government miss management of the last 20 /30 years . We need to go all in on the right for a while just to balance the scales .The centre carries no weight but is a wasteland of appeasement to the left . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 21, 2024 14:07:23 GMT
I think if Reform do get a good turnout and I think they will, it will act as a wake up call for the Tories who will, in my opinion, return to a proper centre right Conservative party for the 2029 election. They know they have to. Trouble is a centre right party won't put right the wrongs of government miss management of the last 20 /30 years . We need to go all in on the right for a while just to balance the scales .The centre carries no weight but is a wasteland of appeasement to the left . I agree, I'd vote for a right wing government like a shot. But I think we both know it's not going to happen. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 21, 2024 14:15:04 GMT
Trouble is a centre right party won't put right the wrongs of government miss management of the last 20 /30 years . We need to go all in on the right for a while just to balance the scales .The centre carries no weight but is a wasteland of appeasement to the left . I agree, I'd vote for a right wing government like a shot. But I think we both know it's not going to happen. Exactly, if there was a hint of a right wing agenda the lefties will be screaming far-right, Sunak was finished as far as I am concerned when he made his public announcement about Labour MPs being targeted and getting death threats from the far-left Muslims, then he had to throw in also the far-right, when the far-right had fuck all to do with the speaker Hoyle having to amend the vote to save Labour MPs from death threats from their very own left wing voters. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 21, 2024 14:54:20 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 21, 2024 15:01:33 GMT
Tory Mayoral candidate defects to Reform UK in next major blow to Sunak...
The Conservative Party candidate for the Greater Manchester mayoral election, Dan Barker, has defected to the Reform Party. Barker said this morning he is "delighted" to be joining the party, describing it as the "new home of conservatism". www.gbnews.com/politics/tory-mayoral-candidate-dan-barker-manchester-reform-ukI'm begining to think that Sunak will be glad when he's lost this election so he's free to bugger off to California.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2024 15:04:27 GMT
There are a lot of don't knows and historically - especially at times of acute Tory unpopularity as now - a lot of these turn out to be so-called shy Tories who turn out to vite Tory on the day. I think they will still lose badly. But not that badly. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 21, 2024 15:06:29 GMT
Yes but it's Reform UK's rapid rise in popularity that will alarm Labour and particularly the Tories. It took UKIP 20 years to get to 12%, it will not have gone unnoticed that it's taken Reform 5 years to get to 15%, and climbing. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 21, 2024 15:06:37 GMT
There are a lot of don't knows and historically - especially at times of acute Tory unpopularity as now - a lot of these turn out to be so-called shy Tories who turn out to vite Tory on the day. I think they will still lose badly. But nit that badly. I agree. I think that includes some on this forum too. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 21, 2024 15:10:13 GMT
I'm going to vote for them.
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 21, 2024 15:12:39 GMT
Yes but it's Reform UK's rapid rise in popularity that will alarm Labour and particularly the Tories. It took UKIP 20 years to get to 12%, it will not have gone unnoticed that it's taken Reform 5 years to get to 15%, and climbing. I don’t think you can really compare them. UKIP were a one policy party. Reform are an anti establishment protest. I've no issue with protest votes, but what are you expecting them to force whatever government is elected to have to change? FWIW, I agree that the outcome won't match this poll, and I agree with srb on the shy Tories. I've said before that Richard Tice's ambition is to destroy the Tories. I'd say he's doing that very well. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 21, 2024 15:19:53 GMT
Yes but it's Reform UK's rapid rise in popularity that will alarm Labour and particularly the Tories. It took UKIP 20 years to get to 12%, it will not have gone unnoticed that it's taken Reform 5 years to get to 15%, and climbing. I don’t think you can really compare them. UKIP were a one policy party. Reform are an anti establishment protest. I've no issue with protest votes, but what are you expecting them to force whatever government is elected to have to change? FWIW, I agree that the outcome won't match this poll, and I agree with srb on the shy Tories. I've said before that Richard Tice's ambition is to destroy the Tories. I'd say he's doing that very well. You seem to think it's only the Tories who will suffer at the hands of Reform, between now and the GE politics can change, it only takes one bad piece of press to change the fortunes of Labour, and they have many skeletons in the cupboard, here's another scenario a skeleton pops out of the Labour cupboard and turns voters to Reform, so if Tory voters and Labour voters all turn to Reform that will dash any hopes of a Labour landslide victory, which most likely will force a coalition, and I wouldn't rule the Tories out of winning yet. |
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